Bulletguy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Another 'gem' surfaces. New official data indicates that Britain will be paying its Brexit divorce bill for 45 years after leaving the EU – until 2064. So Brexiters 'clean break' expectations didn't last long.......and we've not even got off the start line yet! *-) Seeing as they yearn to go back to "the good old days" at this rate we will end up with rationing and gas lighting. *-) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-brexit-divorce-bill-taxpayers-deadline-treasury-obr-office-budget-responsibility-a8253751.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The EU will have gone long before that Paul. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 nowtelse2do - 2018-03-13 8:43 PM The EU will have gone long before that Paul. Dave In my opinion it's yet another nail in the coffin of Brexit which promised the land of milk and honey when the reality being it could only ever deliver years more austerity. Why we are so hell bent on plunging further into the abyss on a suicide mission to misery is beyond me. Whilst our economy continues to shrink, the EU's is actually flourishing and last years saw it's fastest ever growth in ten years. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/eurozone-economy-growth-2017-fastest-gdp-eu-currency-financial-crisis-a8184806.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 We were obviously looking at different news outlets. I never saw any promises of land of milk and honey, I did see some saying that things could be worse for a while until agreements on trade was hammered out. What loads of people don't take into consideration is that it was going to be a foregone conclusion that we would all vote to stay. Cameron never thought that we would vote leave so there were no arrangements made for that. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 nowtelse2do - 2018-03-13 10:03 PM We were obviously looking at different news outlets. I never saw any promises of land of milk and honey, I did see some saying that things could be worse for a while until agreements on trade was hammered out. What loads of people don't take into consideration is that it was going to be a foregone conclusion that we would all vote to stay. Cameron never thought that we would vote leave so there were no arrangements made for that. Here is just one reminder Dave.......from Simon Stevens. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/brexit-latest-nhs-england-350-million-per-week-pledge-eu-simon-stevens-brussels-a8043191.html He's right isn't he? And nobody can argue with what he said so believe me.....those who voted Remain will hold all Brexiters to account over that. Not just the Government, but as Stevens said, “Trust in democratic politics will not be strengthened if anyone now tries to argue: ‘You voted Brexit, partly for a better funded health service. But precisely because of Brexit, you now can’t have one.’ I agree with you over Cameron. He was a fool who gambled the countries future on the back of a yes/no casino chip which was utter insanity and totally irresponsible. The electorate were misled, misinformed, lied to and are continuing to be. Many of those lies have now since surfaced but those duped obviously find it embarrassing difficult to accept. When a Government is in power it's there for a term of five years. Exiting the EU, though Article 50 is still reversible (but May won't tell you about that), is life changing and if we go there won't be any opportunity to buy ourselves back in. Whilst the EU isn't perfectly flawless, it's certainly a damn sight better working with it than against it out on a limb....and their economical growth has already outshone that of ours which is on the wane. Brexit has been a disastrous exercise which not only split the country in half, but tore families apart. It's still not too late to put an end to this lunacy and madness and get back to working together again with the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-13 8:25 PM Another 'gem' surfaces. New official data indicates that Britain will be paying its Brexit divorce bill for 45 years after leaving the EU – until 2064. So Brexiters 'clean break' expectations didn't last long.......and we've not even got off the start line yet! *-) Seeing as they yearn to go back to "the good old days" at this rate we will end up with rationing and gas lighting. *-) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-brexit-divorce-bill-taxpayers-deadline-treasury-obr-office-budget-responsibility-a8253751.html So we will be paying Farages pension ;-) .........Worth every dam penny B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest pelmetman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-13 9:22 PM nowtelse2do - 2018-03-13 8:43 PM The EU will have gone long before that Paul. Dave In my opinion it's yet another nail in the coffin of Brexit which promised the land of milk and honey when the reality being it could only ever deliver years more austerity. Why we are so hell bent on plunging further into the abyss on a suicide mission to misery is beyond me. Whilst our economy continues to shrink, the EU's is actually flourishing and last years saw it's fastest ever growth in ten years. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/eurozone-economy-growth-2017-fastest-gdp-eu-currency-financial-crisis-a8184806.html Now for some proper perspective ;-) ......... http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Real_GDP_growth,_2006-2016_(%25_change_compared_with_the_previous_year;_%25_per_annum)_YB17.png 2006 to 2016..... Germany 1.2%......UK 1.1% ......Hardly a fag paper in it :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek pringle Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 nowtelse2do - 2018-03-13 8:43 PM The EU will have gone long before that Paul. Dave Hi Dave, I think your righting the sense that the EU if still around will look and operate totally different than it does today. cheers derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Not only will we be paying a divorce bill for 45 years but you can add onto that an annual bill for whatever limp deal we end up signing up for. A deal which can never be as good as the one we have now. Brexit was a complete con. If it were a true Brexit and we really could afford to go it alone why have we not made a clean break? Why are we trying to do a deal at all? Why are we desperately trying to cling onto so much of what we had with the EU while at the same time pretending to Brexiteers that we are leaving. The answer is that we cannot afford to just leave and have a proper Brexit, therefore why are we leaving at all? We should be either in or out, no dicking about! Thats why there should be a second referendum. One that says, "Right we now know what Brexit will cost and what it will look like, are you still in or out?" That would be the true sensible and democratic way to forge our future, not a single lucky dip vote from years ago when we knew nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 11:01 AM Not only will we be paying a divorce bill for 45 years but you can add onto that an annual bill for whatever limp deal we end up signing up for. A deal which can never be as good as the one we have now. Brexit was a complete con. If it were a true Brexit and we really could afford to go it alone why have we not made a clean break? Why are we trying to do a deal at all? Why are we desperately trying to cling onto so much of what we had with the EU while at the same time pretending to Brexiteers that we are leaving. The answer is that we cannot afford to just leave and have a proper Brexit, therefore why are we leaving at all? We should be either in or out, no dicking about! Thats why there should be a second referendum. One that says, "Right we now know what Brexit will cost and what it will look like, are you still in or out?" That would be the true sensible and democratic way to forge our future, not a single lucky dip vote from years ago when we knew nothing. Blah blah blah *-) ......How the hell is what we currently have good??? 8-) ......... We pay and don't have no a say now ........at least once we leave we'll only be paying for the cherry's we want B-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Tracker - 2018-03-14 2:14 PM Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? No. " Someone " is saying it will take 45 years. Our debt for WW2 took 60 years to repay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-14 8:06 AM Bulletguy - 2018-03-13 8:25 PM Another 'gem' surfaces. New official data indicates that Britain will be paying its Brexit divorce bill for 45 years after leaving the EU – until 2064. So Brexiters 'clean break' expectations didn't last long.......and we've not even got off the start line yet! *-) Seeing as they yearn to go back to "the good old days" at this rate we will end up with rationing and gas lighting. *-) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-brexit-divorce-bill-taxpayers-deadline-treasury-obr-office-budget-responsibility-a8253751.html So we will be paying Farages pension ;-) .........Worth every dam penny B-) ........ MEP pensions account for a fraction of what we will continue to pay. Farage is a traitor though and should be sent to the Tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 malc d - 2018-03-14 2:34 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 2:14 PM Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? No. " Someone " is saying it will take 45 years. Our debt for WW2 took 60 years to repay. Yeah, I know, but you get the gist!! And most of that was to our loyal 'friends' the Yanks whereas one can hardly call the actions of the EU friendly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Tracker - 2018-03-14 3:31 PM malc d - 2018-03-14 2:34 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 2:14 PM Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? No. " Someone " is saying it will take 45 years. Our debt for WW2 took 60 years to repay. Yeah, I know, but you get the gist!! And most of that was to our loyal 'friends' the Yanks whereas one can hardly call the actions of the EU friendly! Have I missed something? Have the EU been nasty to us? Where, when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 4:48 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 3:31 PM malc d - 2018-03-14 2:34 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 2:14 PM Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? No. " Someone " is saying it will take 45 years. Our debt for WW2 took 60 years to repay. Yeah, I know, but you get the gist!! And most of that was to our loyal 'friends' the Yanks whereas one can hardly call the actions of the EU friendly! Have I missed something? Have the EU been nasty to us? Where, when? More importantly have they been good to us ... Value for money ... Course not ... Its a dead club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:11 PM Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 4:48 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 3:31 PM malc d - 2018-03-14 2:34 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 2:14 PM Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? No. " Someone " is saying it will take 45 years. Our debt for WW2 took 60 years to repay. Yeah, I know, but you get the gist!! And most of that was to our loyal 'friends' the Yanks whereas one can hardly call the actions of the EU friendly! Have I missed something? Have the EU been nasty to us? Where, when? More importantly have they been good to us ... Value for money ... Course not ... Its a dead club Oh I dunno, they paid me £60K a year as a part time consultant ten years ago. (lol) Cheap at twice the price. Im an expert dontcha know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:11 PM More importantly have they been good to us ... Value for money ... Course not ... Its a dead club It's only dead if you are a contributor but it should be dead for all the beaurocrats and politicians and multitue of Brussels and Strasburg office staff who enjoy the loverly gravy train of guaranteed salaries and pensions at our expense. Jeez what a huge non productive waste of money they all seem to be?. And just for Antony - see how I said that without need to repost yards of previous postings - perhaps with Barry's expert guidance you may one day be able to do the same - but, and it may come as a great disappointment for some - I won't hold my breath whilst I wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 5:31 PM Oh I dunno, they paid me £60K a year as a part time consultant ten years ago. (lol) Cheap at twice the price. Im an expert dontcha know! Good for you Barry - at least the money came back to the UK!! Have you seen the definition of 'expert'? An ex is a has been and spurt is a drip under pressure. Are you sure you are an expert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Tracker - 2018-03-14 5:31 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:11 PM More importantly have they been good to us ... Value for money ... Course not ... Its a dead club It's only dead if you are a contributor but it should be dead for all the beaurocrats and politicians and multitue of Brussels and Strasburg office staff who enjoy the loverly gravy train of guaranteed salaries and pensions at our expense. Jeez what a huge non productive waste of money they all seem to be?. And just for Antony - see how I said that without need to repost yards of previous postings - perhaps with Barry's expert guidance you may one day be able to do the same - but, and it may come as a great disappointment for some - I won't hold my breath whilst I wait! I'd love you to hold your breath Rich ... Lets try for ten minutes for starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 5:31 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:11 PM Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 4:48 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 3:31 PM malc d - 2018-03-14 2:34 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 2:14 PM Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? No. " Someone " is saying it will take 45 years. Our debt for WW2 took 60 years to repay. Yeah, I know, but you get the gist!! And most of that was to our loyal 'friends' the Yanks whereas one can hardly call the actions of the EU friendly! Have I missed something? Have the EU been nasty to us? Where, when? More importantly have they been good to us ... Value for money ... Course not ... Its a dead club Oh I dunno, they paid me £60K a year as a part time consultant ten years ago. (lol) Cheap at twice the price. Im an expert dontcha know! Did ya just make things up like you do now ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:42 PM Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 5:31 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:11 PM Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 4:48 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 3:31 PM malc d - 2018-03-14 2:34 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 2:14 PM Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? No. " Someone " is saying it will take 45 years. Our debt for WW2 took 60 years to repay. Yeah, I know, but you get the gist!! And most of that was to our loyal 'friends' the Yanks whereas one can hardly call the actions of the EU friendly! Have I missed something? Have the EU been nasty to us? Where, when? More importantly have they been good to us ... Value for money ... Course not ... Its a dead club Oh I dunno, they paid me £60K a year as a part time consultant ten years ago. (lol) Cheap at twice the price. Im an expert dontcha know! Did ya just make things up like you do now ??? No. Thats why they hired me. The EU insisted there was a team put together to oversea public sector and part EU funded projects to ensure they were good value for money and no skulduggery went on when funding was awarded to business systems (ICT Projects). Didnt make anything up but I did sign off on millions of pounds worth of funding and worked with hundreds of businesses and suppliers across the north east to make sure they got the right systems. Just as well as the 2008 crash would have finished many of them. I did all this while running my own business which was also thriving then as well. So not that lazy like you called me the other day. Burnt out maybe. :D I know it was our money anyway but thats not the point. The point is it went to the right people for the right projects. The double whammy for places like the North East in the future is no more funding and a potential massive hit to their economy if you believe "The Governments OWN figures". Who will help them this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Tracker - 2018-03-14 5:31 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:11 PM More importantly have they been good to us ... Value for money ... Course not ... Its a dead club It's only dead if you are a contributor but it should be dead for all the beaurocrats and politicians and multitue of Brussels and Strasburg office staff who enjoy the loverly gravy train of guaranteed salaries and pensions at our expense. Jeez what a huge non productive waste of money they all seem to be?. Farage was certainly happy to ride that 'gravy train' though wasn't he? The hypocrite also has double standards when it comes to his £73k pa pension from the EU. Hypocrisy seems to be a common trait among Brexiters from what i've seen. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/03/nigel-farage-wont-give-up-his-73000-eu-pension-7128440/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 9:11 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:42 PM Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 5:31 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 5:11 PM Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 4:48 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 3:31 PM malc d - 2018-03-14 2:34 PM Tracker - 2018-03-14 2:14 PM Is someone saying that the cost of Brexit will take as long to pay for as the cost of WW2 did? Really? No. " Someone " is saying it will take 45 years. Our debt for WW2 took 60 years to repay. Yeah, I know, but you get the gist!! And most of that was to our loyal 'friends' the Yanks whereas one can hardly call the actions of the EU friendly! Have I missed something? Have the EU been nasty to us? Where, when? More importantly have they been good to us ... Value for money ... Course not ... Its a dead club Oh I dunno, they paid me £60K a year as a part time consultant ten years ago. (lol) Cheap at twice the price. Im an expert dontcha know! Did ya just make things up like you do now ??? No. Thats why they hired me. The EU insisted there was a team put together to oversea public sector and part EU funded projects to ensure they were good value for money and no skulduggery went on when funding was awarded to business systems (ICT Projects). Didnt make anything up but I did sign off on millions of pounds worth of funding and worked with hundreds of businesses and suppliers across the north east to make sure they got the right systems. Just as well as the 2008 crash would have finished many of them. I did all this while running my own business which was also thriving then as well. So not that lazy like you called me the other day. Burnt out maybe. :D I know it was our money anyway but thats not the point. The point is it went to the right people for the right projects. The double whammy for places like the North East in the future is no more funding and a potential massive hit to their economy if you believe "The Governments OWN figures". Who will help them this time? Sounds like easy money ... No wonder you wanna stay in the corrupt club ... Your hoping for the good old days to come back ... Of course your lazy !!! ... When you say the funding went to the right people are you saying we in this country won't be able to work out for ourselves where any future government funding might go , we aint got the brains for that then ??? ... C'mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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