Bulletguy Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 British Steel is on the brink of collapse amid growing signs that an emergency government loan would fail to materialise, putting a total of close to 25,000 jobs at risk. A slump in orders from European customers amid uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit was among the factors responsible for the company's deteriorating performance. So another "success" looming for "the will of the people" upset these job losses just aren't happening quick enough. *-) https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-jobs-at-risk-with-british-steel-on-brink-of-collapse-11725090 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-05-21 1:13 PM British Steel is on the brink of collapse amid growing signs that an emergency government loan would fail to materialise, putting a total of close to 25,000 jobs at risk. A slump in orders from European customers amid uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit was among the factors responsible for the company's deteriorating performance. So another "success" looming for "the will of the people" upset these job losses just aren't happening quick enough. *-) https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-jobs-at-risk-with-british-steel-on-brink-of-collapse-11725090 So the global downturn has nothing to do with it? ;-) .......... Not in single cell Remoaner mind *-) ....... They're incapable of independent thought (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-21 2:39 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-21 1:13 PM British Steel is on the brink of collapse amid growing signs that an emergency government loan would fail to materialise, putting a total of close to 25,000 jobs at risk. A slump in orders from European customers amid uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit was among the factors responsible for the company's deteriorating performance. So another "success" looming for "the will of the people" upset these job losses just aren't happening quick enough. *-) https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-jobs-at-risk-with-british-steel-on-brink-of-collapse-11725090 So the global downturn has nothing to do with it? ;-) .......... Shameful that you're so desperate to deflect away from what they themselves clearly said in the article; A slump in orders from European customers amid uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit was among the factors responsible for the company's deteriorating performance. British Steel has also been adversely affected by sterling's weakness and the escalating tariff war between the US and China, analysts said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-05-21 4:06 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-21 2:39 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-21 1:13 PM British Steel is on the brink of collapse amid growing signs that an emergency government loan would fail to materialise, putting a total of close to 25,000 jobs at risk. A slump in orders from European customers amid uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit was among the factors responsible for the company's deteriorating performance. So another "success" looming for "the will of the people" upset these job losses just aren't happening quick enough. *-) https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-jobs-at-risk-with-british-steel-on-brink-of-collapse-11725090 So the global downturn has nothing to do with it? ;-) .......... Shameful that you're so desperate to deflect away from what they themselves clearly said in the article; A slump in orders from European customers amid uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit was among the factors responsible for the company's deteriorating performance. British Steel has also been adversely affected by sterling's weakness and the escalating tariff war between the US and China, analysts said. So like I suggested ;-) ....... They've been affected by the GLOBAL DOWNTURN or is Europe a separate entity to the rest of the world????? :-S ....... Just askin *-) ....... Have to say the Remoaners desperation to blame everything on Brexit has surpassed being desperate........you're now deffo in "pathetic loser" territory >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-21 4:14 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-21 4:06 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-21 2:39 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-21 1:13 PM British Steel is on the brink of collapse amid growing signs that an emergency government loan would fail to materialise, putting a total of close to 25,000 jobs at risk. A slump in orders from European customers amid uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit was among the factors responsible for the company's deteriorating performance. So another "success" looming for "the will of the people" upset these job losses just aren't happening quick enough. *-) https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-jobs-at-risk-with-british-steel-on-brink-of-collapse-11725090 So the global downturn has nothing to do with it? ;-) .......... Shameful that you're so desperate to deflect away from what they themselves clearly said in the article; A slump in orders from European customers amid uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit was among the factors responsible for the company's deteriorating performance. British Steel has also been adversely affected by sterling's weakness and the escalating tariff war between the US and China, analysts said. So like I suggested ;-) ....... They've been affected by the global downturn and uncertainty about potential trading arrangements with the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit. :-S ....... Fixed that for you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Mmmm ... Tell me who was the fella who warned us about our steel industry going bust before the referendum ... ... Boom !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 I seem to remember the pre-referendum bullcrap the Leave lot were peddling, 'a Remain vote will end the UK steel industry'. In fact Farage even tweeted it back in 2016. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/national/17657074.farage-reminded-of-claim-remain-vote-would-be-end-of-british-steel-industry/ So Scunthorpe chose to believe charalatans like Johnson, Farage and co, the promises of unicorns, and voted 66% Leave in the referendum, effectively voting themselves out of a job. Mind blowing insanity. My sympathy lies with the 34% in Scunthorpe which, already a depressed area, will end up a ghost town. 200 years of industry wiped out by the sheer madness of silly turkeys voting for Christmas. https://www.channel4.com/news/thousands-of-jobs-at-risk-as-british-steel-collapses https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/22/sadness-and-fear-in-Scunthorpe-after-british-steel-liquidation Certainly the private equity group who own British Steel bear some responsibility as it's clear they've asset stripped and milked it for millions and have history of doing this with other companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-05-22 11:28 PM Certainly the private equity group who own British Steel bear some responsibility as it's clear they've asset stripped and milked it for millions and have history of doing this with other companies. In amongst your usual attempt to blame everything on Brexit, you actually hit upon the truth ;-) ........ Perhaps folk should treat the spiv's Grey Bullsh*t with the contempt it deserves :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-23 7:50 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-22 11:28 PM Certainly the private equity group who own British Steel bear some responsibility as it's clear they've asset stripped and milked it for millions and have history of doing this with other companies. In amongst your usual attempt to blame everything on Brexit, you actually hit upon the truth ;-) ........ Perhaps folk should treat the spiv's Grey Bullsh*t with the contempt it deserves :-| ....... I don't blame everything on Brexit but to deny it never played a part as a contributing factor as you continually do with the losses of numerous UK businesses and jobs, is just burying your head pretending it never happened. I notice you had nothing to say on your Brexit Party chum Farage who told voters "a Remain vote would end the UK steel industry". A bit like his infamous call for a second referendum if it went 52-48 to Remain. These statements quickly get swept under the carpet as Brexiteers prefer to remain firmly in a state of denial. Greybull Capital is a private equity group. Perhaps had Tory PM Heath still been around, what he'd describe as "the unacceptable face of capitalism". Awkward for you capitalists eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soarer Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 The thing is once the infrastructure to produce steel Has gone that’s it finished... I heard one commentator yesterday say that China produced more Steel last year than British steel has produced ever If that is true it’s staggering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 soarer - 2019-05-23 4:55 PM The thing is once the infrastructure to produce steel Has gone that’s it finished... I heard one commentator yesterday say that China produced more Steel last year than British steel has produced ever If that is true it’s staggering Actually I think its produced more steel in the last two years than Britain has ever, not just British Steel. Apparently Brexit hasn't helped due to uncertainty on Tariffs but I suspect it was fooked anyway. One things for sure we would stand less chance of been flattened by countries like China inside the EU than out of it. Europe together is a big economy and powerful, Britain on its own compared to somewhere like china is simply insignificant. Manufacturing is finished here now if Brexit goes ahead. Whats left of it. My first ever job was at Britisih Steel after I left college. I fudged my way in for a summer short term contract as a "Financial Analyst" in 1988. (lol) Worra Joke that place was. Virtually none of it was computerised and I spent three months transferring all their stuff to spreadsheets. They were haemorrhaging money left right and centre then. Maybe I set the spreadsheets up all wrong and its my fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 It's worth remembering UK Tory gov under Cameron vetoed EU plans to put tougher tariffs on Chinese steel. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tata-steel-uk-government-accused-of-failing-to-protect-british-workers-by-blocking-eu-plans-to-allow-a6962446.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-05-23 6:46 PM It's worth remembering UK Tory gov under Cameron vetoed EU plans to put tougher tariffs on Chinese steel. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tata-steel-uk-government-accused-of-failing-to-protect-british-workers-by-blocking-eu-plans-to-allow-a6962446.html It's also worth noting steel production has other costs :-| ........... https://www.Scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-news/Scunthorpe-named-second-most-polluted-1523336 Perhaps this could be a blessing in disguise in the long term, providing its managed sensibly and the towns not left to die like the coal mining towns were ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-24 7:56 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-23 6:46 PM It's worth remembering UK Tory gov under Cameron vetoed EU plans to put tougher tariffs on Chinese steel. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tata-steel-uk-government-accused-of-failing-to-protect-british-workers-by-blocking-eu-plans-to-allow-a6962446.html It's also worth noting steel production has other costs :-| ........... https://www.Scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-news/Scunthorpe-named-second-most-polluted-1523336 Perhaps this could be a blessing in disguise in the long term, providing its managed sensibly and the towns not left to die like the coal mining towns were ;-) ......... Not sure what your sad emoticon represents.....Scunthorpe being named as the second most polluted town in UK, or the financial cost of cleaning up the crap they've chucked out in air for years? I can't think you'd be content to stay stuck with the former so it must be the latter......of which you must be eternally grateful to the EU for implementing carbon emissions controls? https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-carbon-emissions/eu-carbon-market-emissions-fell-3-3-percent-in-2018-as-renewable-power-rose-idUKKCN1RD276 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-05-24 1:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-24 7:56 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-23 6:46 PM It's worth remembering UK Tory gov under Cameron vetoed EU plans to put tougher tariffs on Chinese steel. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tata-steel-uk-government-accused-of-failing-to-protect-british-workers-by-blocking-eu-plans-to-allow-a6962446.html It's also worth noting steel production has other costs :-| ........... https://www.Scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-news/Scunthorpe-named-second-most-polluted-1523336 Perhaps this could be a blessing in disguise in the long term, providing its managed sensibly and the towns not left to die like the coal mining towns were ;-) ......... Not sure what your sad emoticon represents.....Scunthorpe being named as the second most polluted town in UK, or the financial cost of cleaning up the crap they've chucked out in air for years? I can't think you'd be content to stay stuck with the former so it must be the latter......of which you must be eternally grateful to the EU for implementing carbon emissions controls? https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-carbon-emissions/eu-carbon-market-emissions-fell-3-3-percent-in-2018-as-renewable-power-rose-idUKKCN1RD276 That's not a sad emoticon ;-) .........That's a moot point emoticon in my book :-| .......... I was born in the East End of London so my first breath was polluted :D ......... I'm still here ..........But then I've never had a fag ;-) .......... How many do you have a day? :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-05-24 2:09 PM Bulletguy - 2019-05-24 1:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-05-24 7:56 AM Bulletguy - 2019-05-23 6:46 PM It's worth remembering UK Tory gov under Cameron vetoed EU plans to put tougher tariffs on Chinese steel. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tata-steel-uk-government-accused-of-failing-to-protect-british-workers-by-blocking-eu-plans-to-allow-a6962446.html It's also worth noting steel production has other costs :-| ........... https://www.Scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-news/Scunthorpe-named-second-most-polluted-1523336 Perhaps this could be a blessing in disguise in the long term, providing its managed sensibly and the towns not left to die like the coal mining towns were ;-) ......... Not sure what your sad emoticon represents.....Scunthorpe being named as the second most polluted town in UK, or the financial cost of cleaning up the crap they've chucked out in air for years? I can't think you'd be content to stay stuck with the former so it must be the latter......of which you must be eternally grateful to the EU for implementing carbon emissions controls? https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-carbon-emissions/eu-carbon-market-emissions-fell-3-3-percent-in-2018-as-renewable-power-rose-idUKKCN1RD276 That's not a sad emoticon ;-) .........That's a moot point emoticon in my book :-| .......... So you feel the 'other costs' you linked to are open to debate and of little importance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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