StuartO Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 We don't seem to hear a lot from Jeremy these days but he was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning. He was careful not to put any numbers on immigration restriction, which he now seems to support, because his underlying concern is the poor working conditions and unfairly low wages paid to EU immigrants whom some companies (eg Sports Direct) recruit directly in order to get cheap labour, which disadvantages UK workers who are therefore being undercut out of work. He wants to require local advertising of such jobs first (instead of recruitment abroad) as well as the imposition of reasonable working conditions and wages. He accepts that the UK will leave the EU and he will not be trying to block that process but he is making efforts to build links with socialist political parties across Europe to prepare to forge and maintain socialist interests across Europe. He wants to achieve far better equality (not just equal opportunity) and to that end cap the overblown salaries of exploitive bosses. He wants to achieve better control, which means bringing some industries (or parts of them, such as the Southern Rail franchise) into public ownership and operation. He believes this will allow an end to be brought to a trend of ever lower corporate taxation, progress towards a fairer society and more reliable funding of public services. So he's not against immigration as such, rather the impact which its abuse by employers has on UK workers. He has said nothing about dealing with immigration outside that context, so no plans to remedy the impact of immigration in towns where large non-integrating muslim communities are present. He draws confidence from the strength of his personal support among Labour Party members and his own confidence in the socialist policies which he and his supporters are developing to achieve better equality and fairness, which he believes will gain support from the electorate, even though that support has not been apparent so far. He seems to take no notice of the recent suggestions from other big labour players that if support from the electorate fails to recover before the next election then a new leader will be needed, in favour of forging on with his own convictions and ideas. Did I understand him correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I didn't hear him on Radio 4 so can't comment on that butStuartO - 2017-01-10 9:23 AMFor jeremy Corbin it's all about achieving equality?..Did I understand him correctly?from your headline it appears not.Its about reducing inequality, not achieving equality - that is impossible. Thats just a straw man argument his critics set up to deride him I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-10 12:43 PMI didn't hear him on Radio 4 so can't comment on that butStuartO - 2017-01-10 9:23 AMFor jeremy Corbin it's all about achieving equality?..Did I understand him correctly?from your headline it appears not.Its about reducing inequality, not achieving equality - that is impossible.Like Blair? :-| ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-01-10 1:51 PMJohn52 - 2017-01-10 12:43 PMI didn't hear him on Radio 4 so can't comment on that butStuartO - 2017-01-10 9:23 AMFor jeremy Corbin it's all about achieving equality?..Did I understand him correctly?from your headline it appears not.Its about reducing inequality, not achieving equality - that is impossible.Like Blair? :-| ...........I always thought Blair was a Phoney and that was proved right.I think Corbin is more honest, thats why the Dail Mail Brigade is forever trying to put the skids under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-10 2:04 PMpelmetman - 2017-01-10 1:51 PMJohn52 - 2017-01-10 12:43 PMI didn't hear him on Radio 4 so can't comment on that butStuartO - 2017-01-10 9:23 AMFor jeremy Corbin it's all about achieving equality?..Did I understand him correctly?from your headline it appears not.Its about reducing inequality, not achieving equality - that is impossible.Like Blair? :-| ...........I always thought Blair was a Phoney and that was proved right.I think Corbin is more honest, thats why the Dail Mail Brigade is forever trying to put the skids under him.Hes more honest ... Is it possible to be any less honest than Blair ... I know these days its easier to blame others for being a loser which in this case your blaming the right wing press but don't ya reckon might just be a teensy weensy chance he's unpopular because his message is not popular other than with the likes of yaself I notice he's calling the big pay packets of big business types and footballers disgusting and unfair ... Bet he doesn't mention all those twendy London based celebrity type luvvies on millions of ££s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-01-10 2:35 PMJohn52 - 2017-01-10 2:04 PMpelmetman - 2017-01-10 1:51 PMJohn52 - 2017-01-10 12:43 PMI didn't hear him on Radio 4 so can't comment on that butStuartO - 2017-01-10 9:23 AMFor jeremy Corbin it's all about achieving equality?..Did I understand him correctly?from your headline it appears not.Its about reducing inequality, not achieving equality - that is impossible.Like Blair? :-| ...........I always thought Blair was a Phoney and that was proved right.I think Corbin is more honest, thats why the Dail Mail Brigade is forever trying to put the skids under him.Hes more honest ... Is it possible to be any less honest than Blair ... I know these days its easier to blame others for being a loser which in this case your blaming the right wing press but don't ya reckon might just be a teensy weensy chance he's unpopular because his message is not popular other than with the likes of yaself I notice he's calling the big pay packets of big business types and footballers disgusting and unfair ... Bet he doesn't mention all those twendy London based celebrity type luvvies on millions of ££sYes he's more honest.......but he's a honest dinosaur *-) .........Part communist part socialist, with the biggest PC ego I've seen 8-) .......The thing is he's gotta get floaters like me to vote for him ;-) ......What do reckon of his chances of that?......If you ask me Farage has got more chance than he has of ever becoming PM :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-10 12:43 PMI didn't hear him on Radio 4 so can't comment on that butStuartO - 2017-01-10 9:23 AMFor jeremy Corbin it's all about achieving equality? from your headline it appears not. Its about reducing inequality, not achieving equality - that is impossible. Thats just a straw man argument his critics set up to deride him I think. Which begs the question by how much does he want to reduce inequality, doesn't it? I can see the potential value of forcing companies to publish their staff salary ratio (the top salary expressed as a multiple of the median or minimum full time equivalent pay) among other performance indicators but applying a cap on the maximum salary anyone can be paid - is that what he really means? I understand that achieving equailty (eg of outcome or ability or productive capacity) is impossible and some people are inevitably going to be better at running things than others, so some need to be paid more than others. And I can understand the value of achieving equal opportunity for all (so a good education system gives everyone the best possible start etc) but I really can't see the value of aiming towards equality of pay - or even the communist thing about "from each according to ability, to each according to need". Maybe in theory that might be fair but it would be so open to abuse and so destructive of motivation that surely it would be completely catastrophic to a society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-01-10 2:50 PM The thing is he's gotta get floaters like me to vote for him ;-) ......What do reckon of his chances of that?... Not much because his policies offend the Daily Mail, and he's too honest. I think you would rather vote for the likes of Farage and Johnson that promise the unachievable from Brexit. I think they had a nice easy job criticising the EU, conning enough people to keep them in a cushy job, but were shocked when found they had conned enough to win. Because now they can't deliver what they have promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-20 10:27 AM pelmetman - 2017-01-10 2:50 PM The thing is he's gotta get floaters like me to vote for him ;-) ......What do reckon of his chances of that?... Not much because his policies offend the Daily Mail, and he's too honest. I think you would rather vote for the likes of Farage and Johnson that promise the unachievable from Brexit. I think they had a nice easy job criticising the EU, conning enough people to keep them in a cushy job, but were shocked when found they had conned enough to win. Because now they can't deliver what they have promised. Actually its got nothing to do with the DM ;-) ........... Or why else would I have voted for Labour and the Lib dems in the past? :-| ...... Its to do with reality...... and I doubt there is a party leader who is more removed from it than Corbyn, although Farron comes a close 2nd :D ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Not sure about the Daily Mail but there was a time when the Establishment press backed New Labour. In 1997 the Tories were so mired in sleaze as to be indefensible, perhaps even by the Daily Mail? Tory Blair had taken over the Labour Party, turned it into 'New Labour' which wasn't much different from Thatcher (some call them both Blatcher) so they supported him until Tory sleaze had been forgotten. Blair was in the right place at the right time. If Blair was running the Labour party now he would probably poll less votes than Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-20 1:42 PM If Blair was running the Labour party now he would probably poll less votes than Corbyn. Kinda shows the hill you've gotta climb to get my vote again dont it ;-) ........ Also you need to ask the question why the average Joe is swinging to the right now days.......except of course in La La Land >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-01-20 2:45 PM Also you need to ask the question why the average Joe is swinging to the right now days.... I think its what they call Individualism. We used to call it selfishness. Seemed to develop around the time of the miners strike which Thatcher used to divide and rule - offering £50k redundancy packages (at a time when the average house price was £25k) and conning the Nottinghamshire miners into thinking their jobs would be safe if they helped to break trhe strike. Gerrymandering by selling off everyone's assets cheaply like housing, power, water, railways to a priveleged few - divide and rule again. It got her votes, cheap houses etc for some, which we are all paying for now. Before Thatcher there seemed to be more of a community spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-20 3:50 PM pelmetman - 2017-01-20 2:45 PM Also you need to ask the question why the average Joe is swinging to the right now days.... Before Thatcher there seemed to be more of a community spirit. In London? 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-20 3:50 PM pelmetman - 2017-01-20 2:45 PM Also you need to ask the question why the average Joe is swinging to the right now days.... I think its what they call Individualism. We used to call it selfishness.. Now we call it patriotism or survival :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 John52 - 2017-01-20 3:50 PM pelmetman - 2017-01-20 2:45 PM Also you need to ask the question why the average Joe is swinging to the right now days.... I think its what they call Individualism. We used to call it selfishness. Seemed to develop around the time of the miners strike which Thatcher used to divide and rule - offering £50k redundancy packages (at a time when the average house price was £25k) and conning the Nottinghamshire miners into thinking their jobs would be safe if they helped to break trhe strike. Gerrymandering by selling off everyone's assets cheaply like housing, power, water, railways to a priveleged few - divide and rule again. It got her votes, cheap houses etc for some, which we are all paying for now. Before Thatcher there seemed to be more of a community spirit. I'll concur that Maggies attack on the miners was a mistake ;-) ........as I suspect subsidising our miners would've of been far cheaper in the long run than putting them on welfare *-) ........ Lets face it you have an option of doing nothing or going down a hole which would you choose? :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Corbin honest! He's a politician and lies, have we already forgotten the 'train seat' fiasco? He's also two faced, lets not forget he pretended to campaign for remain when he all along want leave. He also tried to deny the bleeding obvious when it came to antisemitism within the Labour party. So useless Teresa runs rings around him most PMQ's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-01-20 4:06 PM I'll concur that Maggies attack on the miners was a mistake ;-) ........as I suspect subsidising our miners would've of been far cheaper in the long run than putting them on welfare *-) ........ Well of course the welfare cost was only the start. One of the things that brought it home to me is seeing Immingham, Britain's biggest port by tonnage that has gone from exporting coal to importing it. So when Thacher started you got 2.4 $ to the £. Now its about half of that :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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