Violet1956 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 ...and exploited by none other than the company that the Daily Mail sees fit to employ to do its dirty work https://www.change.org/p/paul-dacre-living-wage-for-cleaners-at-the-daily-mail >:-) Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Oh the irony!! That's one headline the Wail will definitely not be printing!! :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-14 6:58 PM Oh the irony!! That's one headline the Wail will definitely not be printing!! :-( I don't think you'd know irony if it came up and slapped you full force in the chopper ... You've more than proved that already ... Cheeky x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The important part is here; We grouped together and asked to be paid the London Living Wage (LLW) of £10.20 per hour.Instead of agreeing to our request to be paid a living wage, or to sit down and talk to our union United Voices of the World, the Daily Mail sent in the manager of the contracting company MITIE who threatened to sack us all if we ever strike. That threat was in gross violation of our trade union and human rights. ACAS will take a very dim view of that attitude and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Especially for Antony! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 More appropriate for the Beano boys and easier for them to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-03-14 8:48 PM Especially for Antony! (lol) I just love that song ... Your amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 6:48 PM ...and exploited by none other than the company that the Daily Mail sees fit to employ to do its dirty work https://www.change.org/p/paul-dacre-living-wage-for-cleaners-at-the-daily-mail >:-) Veronica So what's stopping them from getting a better paid job? :-| ......... Oh I forgot......everyone's a victim now days......How very Snowflake *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-15 8:48 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 6:48 PM ...and exploited by none other than the company that the Daily Mail sees fit to employ to do its dirty work https://www.change.org/p/paul-dacre-living-wage-for-cleaners-at-the-daily-mail >:-) Veronica So what's stopping them from getting a better paid job? :-| ......... Oh I forgot......everyone's a victim now days......How very Snowflake *-) .......... Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 8:48 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 6:48 PM ...and exploited by none other than the company that the Daily Mail sees fit to employ to do its dirty work https://www.change.org/p/paul-dacre-living-wage-for-cleaners-at-the-daily-mail >:-) Veronica So what's stopping them from getting a better paid job? :-| ......... Oh I forgot......everyone's a victim now days......How very Snowflake *-) .......... Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) Funny it makes no mention of the affect cheap EU labour has had in suppressing UK wage growth? ;-) ...... Although he does still spout that now debunked theory that a degree will guarantee you a better paid job than a plumber (lol) ........... "Increased returns from education. There is more demand for workers with degrees. More students wish to study for longer." So sorry Veronica your short lesson in economics has taught me nothing :-| ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:14 AM malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Spot on as per.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:14 AM malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Spot on as per.... I usually am :D ....... I even got your name right ;-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:28 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-15 9:14 AM malc d - 2018-03-15 9:03 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 8:56 AM Seems to me you would benefit from a short lesson in economics Dave. https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/14299/labour-markets/factors-that-explain-wage-inequality/ ;-) I don't think he would Violet. ;-) You were right ;-) ........ Spot on as per.... I usually am :D ....... I even got your name right ;-) ...... (lol) you're on form this morning Dave I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:36 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 9:26 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-15 9:06 AM antony1969 - 2018-03-15 6:04 AM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:38 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2018-03-14 7:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-14 6:57 PM Gosh your really desperate Veronica ... I'd imagine directly or more often than not indirectly there'll be plenty connected to The Daily Mail who are on the living wage ... Do The Daily Mail employ a cleaning company ??? ... If so they'll pay the wages won't they and decide what they pay ... Maybe you can provide a little more info All the info I have is in the link Antony. I'm not sure the DM can escape censure just by hiding behind the fact that Mitie is a contractor. Why ??? ... When my daughter was at university she worked for a cleaning company for extra money ... So are we saying that all those business premises she worked and cleaned at are at fault for paying the living or minimum wage and not the cleaning company she was employed by because if that's so we ain't half getting into a sticky situation If the company that engaged the contractors for whom your daughter worked did not set themselves up as a champion of the people who were undercut in the labour market by foreign workers then there would be no problem. I don't think so Veronica ... If some of those companies premises she worked at were openly Tory supporting Brexit lovers then I kinda get the feeling you'd feel the same The problem I'm on about is hypocrisy not lunacy Antony. Yes Veronica I'm on about hypocrisy also but I think you've missed it ... Again Let's see whether the problem of low pay/wage inequality goes away if/when we leave the EU. I have no faith that the powerful people pushing for Brexit have any real concern for the low paid or intend to do anything about it. No need to do anything about it ;-) ......... It'll be a consequential benefit of restricting the flow of Labour....... Have you never heard of supply & demand? 8-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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