You are logged in as a guest. 
  Home Forums Home  Search our Forums Search our Forums    Log in to the Forums Log in to the Forums  register Register on the Forums  

 Forums ->  General Chat -> Chatterbox
Jump to page : First 1 2 Last
Format:  Go
Log on & OFF
AuthorMessage
usermichele
Posted: 4 March 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: Log on & OFF
 


50005000500100100100100
Location: Rapido ..ask him what size


Can I ask who does . Seems I dont have to except on a very rare occasion it never seems to ask me to log on or off ..
Is it only me ?.
userenodreven
Posted: 4 March 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 
1000


Hi, Michele

I don't usually log off either, but if you look just above where you are typing in the welcome box at the bottom righthand corner it says Logoff with a little padlock next to it ?. I don't normally have to log on unless i delete the cookies which i do try to do every week or so ?

hope that helps

Brian
userstarspirit
Posted: 4 March 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


If you use Mozilla Firefox instead of Internet Explorer you can set it to delete all cookies and tifs on closing.
You have to then log on but only by checking one box and as long as you say yes to the prompt for Firefox to remember that is all you ever need to do.
MF is a free download - just type 'mozilla firefox' into google and follow the prompts.
I'm not an expert as I am confused by all of it and barely understand any of it but this works for me so I no longer use IE.
userHymer C 9.
Posted: 4 March 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


Forum master

Posts: 2904
2000500100100100100
Location: Anywhere Sometimes. Hymer 584 (2000)


Hi Michelle, no its not just you I do the same never seems to make any problems hopefully. Carol.
usermichele
Posted: 4 March 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


50005000500100100100100
Location: Rapido ..ask him what size


Thnak you Carol ,
you never blinded me with science .........these guys I dont know .
Only wanted a simple answer being....................Do you have to log on or does it just let you in?.............
userLeah
Posted: 5 March 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 
Having a look around

Posts: 29
25
Location: Northants


I had to re-register recently but don't log out although if I haven't visited for 5-6 days it locks me out. Too much phaff keep logging in and out!
usergootler
Posted: 8 March 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


Your computer remembers your log in details and logs you in automatically, occasionally your computer will automatically clear this information (probably once a month) which is why you need to log in sometimes and sometimes not.
usermichele
Posted: 8 March 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


50005000500100100100100
Location: Rapido ..ask him what size


Thank you kind Sir.
userTony Jones
Posted: 8 March 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 
Forum master

Posts: 3210
20001000100100
Location: France, or in our 2005 Burstner Privilege t585


So it's much easier to stay "logged in" all the time, or at least until your own computer clears the log-in.
Only trouble is, won't your name continue to appear as "online" at the bottom of the home-page? That could lead to misunderstandings if someone replies to a post or sends you a PM & thinks you haven't bothered to reply?
I usually log out, partly for that reason and partly because I find the green "posting since you last logged on" flags useful.

Tony
userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


Tony Jones - 2007-03-08 11:53 AM So it's much easier to stay "logged in" all the time, or at least until your own computer clears the log-in. Only trouble is, won't your name continue to appear as "online" at the bottom of the home-page? That could lead to misunderstandings if someone replies to a post or sends you a PM & thinks you haven't bothered to reply? I usually log out, partly for that reason and partly because I find the green "posting since you last logged on" flags useful. Tony

I don't think that your name shows unless you are actually visiting the site. The only reason that you don't need to log on at every visit is that your computer has a 'cookie', which remembers your username and password.

Theoretically, this cookie should remain permanently in place until such time as you run any kind of maintenance application, when it may be deleted.

So the people listed at the bottom of the front page ought to be the ones who are actually visiting the site, although I suspect that some regular users simply leave their browser open on this forum as they know that they'll be popping back in half an hour. Either that or they spend a lot of time actually online to it!

Edited to say: Here's a test for you Tony. I'm nipping out now until 1.00 p.m. approx. and I shall leave the site but not log off. See if my name disappears from the list.



Edited by Frank Wilkinson 2007-03-08 12:19 PM
userTony Jones
Posted: 8 March 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 
Forum master

Posts: 3210
20001000100100
Location: France, or in our 2005 Burstner Privilege t585


Thanks for the opportunity to try this Frank.
Checked at 12:30, yes, your name is at the bottom of the page. Did you get back early?

Just to double-check:
I'm closing the browser now, probably for an hour, but I won't log out.
I'll touch base again sometime this afternoon.

Tony
userhowie
Posted: 8 March 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


2000200010010025
Location: Dunnshargin


Still with us at 12.49 i,m afraid Tony.
userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


Re- edited to say: Tony's name is not visible, so maybe I was right all along. Here's my latest theory. If my name is visible on your computer after I've left it's because you haven't refreshed the page. Refresh it and see what happens! Either way, Tony has left the site and not logged off and his name has gone, but if Howie for instance had been online when I left, my name would remain visible to him until he refreshed his page or left the site and revisited it!

I think that solves it. People may leave the site but their names remains on your front page because that's the one that doesn't change until you refresh or leave and come back!



Edited by Frank Wilkinson 2007-03-08 1:23 PM
userTony Jones
Posted: 8 March 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 
Forum master

Posts: 3210
20001000100100
Location: France, or in our 2005 Burstner Privilege t585


Hi, I'm back (briefly - I DO have work to do, honestly!)

Well, now we know. It's been fun finding out - much more fun than just asking the Mod!

Tony
userstarspirit
Posted: 8 March 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


I was once told by a techie never to leave my computer connected to the internet whilst idle or unattended for long periods due to the risk of nasties invading and hiding themselves on the hard drive which, he said, they could do in spite of up to date protection software - so I don't - am I paranoid?

If the world was not out to get me I would not need to be paranoid.

userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


My techies tell me the opposite. More damage is done to a computer when it is booted up than by running it all night. It's a bit like starting an engine where the same analogy definitely applies. According to my suppliers, a small specialist firm, modern PCs are designed to run permanently.

Your computer cannot be accessed if you don't leave it connected to the web and I can't think of anyone who would leave their machine in such a condition. If you shut down your browser you should be perfectly safe.

I have about 12 machines running permanently in my business and I never turn off my home PC, except when I'm going on holiday.

I have never suffered an invasion of any kind. Viruses only infect you if you access a dodgy site or open a dodgy email.

So yes, as you ask, and this is not I assure you having a go because it's you, I think that you are being slightly paranoid. You are probably shortening your computer's life by constantly turning it on and off.

userstarspirit
Posted: 8 March 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


Thanks for that Frank and no I don't think you are having a go.

I am having a little difficulty getting my head around your second paragraph though as I can't see what you mean?

I often leave the computer on but switch off the wireless router.

Is that wrong?
userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


I don't think that a router being turned on and off is as big a problem, as it has no moving parts as far as I know (cooling fans etc.).

All I do know is that I've been running my PCs permanently for years now with no ill effect. If you think about it, the strain on startup must be far greater than normal running.

Businesses of course must run them permanently as they are usually accessed at night for downloading sales data and stock control, so manufacturers build their machines for permanent operation.

As for my second paragraph, if your computer isn't connected to the web, I'm not sure that it can be accessed. If it's just turned on, but not connected to the web using a web browser then I'm not sure how someone can log in to your machine. True, there is a broadband connection there but surely it's a bit like a phone line? You may have it but until you pick up the phone no one can talk to you.

I must admit that I'm not 100% certain of my facts here but to the best of my knowledge I have never heard of anyone whose machine has been accessed remotely by anyone, except of course, those that are permanently left online to the web and even then they have to bypass your password and I'm sure that you've set your wi-fi router's password to something that only you know.



Edited by Frank Wilkinson 2007-03-08 3:45 PM

userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


OK, humble pie time here!

I've had a long chat with my chief techie who says:

Leaving a PC running permanently is fine, they're built for that. However, if you just want to turn it off in the evening before retiring that should be OK. What is not good for them is being turned on and off several times a day. That is definitely like starting a car, several short journeys do more harm than one long one.

Now the humble pie. If you are on broadband, you can be accessed by a hacker in theory, even if your browser isn't open. However, if you use a wi-fi router and you have a password set, it is impossible for the average hacker to crack the 128 bit encryption. But you must of course set your own password.

Hackers may occasionally trawl the net for open lines but there is nothing of interest to them in the average home PC and they will not waste time trying to crack your firewalls, which are excellent in XP and even better in Vista.

I use Internet banking and have done for a long time and am even more confident in it now than I have ever been. Even if someone cracked my PC they simply would not be able to crack my passwords and then if they could, they can only move my money between my own accounts. If they wish to transfer it to their account they need yet another password.

So yes, in theory, there is a tiny chance of someone trying to hack your PC but neither I or my technical guy have ever heard of anyone who has suffered as a result of someone actually hacking into their system.

If they are going to spend ages trying to hack into a computer, they'll go for where there may be some reward and of course, they are the systems best protected.

userhowie
Posted: 8 March 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


2000200010010025
Location: Dunnshargin


Frank Wilkinson - 2007-03-08 1:08 PM

Re- edited to say: Tony's name is not visible, so maybe I was right all along. Here's my latest theory. If my name is visible on your computer after I've left it's because you haven't refreshed the page. Refresh it and see what happens! Either way, Tony has left the site and not logged off and his name has gone, but if Howie for instance had been online when I left, my name would remain visible to him until he refreshed his page or left the site and revisited it!

I think that solves it. People may leave the site but their names remains on your front page because that's the one that doesn't change until you refresh or leave and come back!

Bear with me on this one Frank, but what you are saying is that even though a users name is shown at the bottom of the home page does not always mean they are logged on and it depends on whether you have refreshed your page since they logged off.
userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 6:54 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


howie - 2007-03-08 6:44 PM
Frank Wilkinson - 2007-03-08 1:08 PM

Re- edited to say: Tony's name is not visible, so maybe I was right all along. Here's my latest theory. If my name is visible on your computer after I've left it's because you haven't refreshed the page. Refresh it and see what happens! Either way, Tony has left the site and not logged off and his name has gone, but if Howie for instance had been online when I left, my name would remain visible to him until he refreshed his page or left the site and revisited it!

I think that solves it. People may leave the site but their names remains on your front page because that's the one that doesn't change until you refresh or leave and come back!

Bear with me on this one Frank, but what you are saying is that even though a users name is shown at the bottom of the home page does not always mean they are logged on and it depends on whether you have refreshed your page since they logged off.

Yes Howie, it's the only answer. You were still seeing me after I'd shut down my browser but not logged off. I never log off as it happens.

However, Tony shut his browser and went out but didn't log off. When I logged on his name wasn't in the list.

But if when he left the site, I'd been browsing the forums, his name would still be there because my front page hadn't been refreshed.

If you are now online I'll try an experiment. I will now leave the site without logging off.

See if my name is still at the bottom of the list and if it is refresh your page, or leave and come back a minute later.

I'll be off now - it's 18.55 p.m.

userhowie
Posted: 8 March 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


2000200010010025
Location: Dunnshargin


Just went and checked my e.mails and your name was still there when I returned. Another explanation please.
userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


howie - 2007-03-08 7:07 PM Just went and checked my e.mails and your name was still there when I returned. Another explanation please.

Ok, maybe you have to refresh your browser. It may store the last page for a while.

I cannot believe that one's name remains permanently in the list until you log off. Otherwise, why did Tony's disappear when he went out, shut down his browser and didn't log off?

I'm going off again now and I won't log off. I'll come back in fifteen minutes.

Leave the site, go back in and if my name's there, refresh your browser.

It's now 19.13p.m. I'll be back at 7.30 p.m.

Edited to say, you obviously didn't try it, but at about 7.45 p.m. I'm going out for the evening. I won't log out from the site so check if my name is in the list. If it is, refresh and see what happens.



Edited by Frank Wilkinson 2007-03-08 7:33 PM

usermichele
Posted: 8 March 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


50005000500100100100100
Location: Rapido ..ask him what size


Frank I think I got it your not there now and its 21.05 .?
userhowie
Posted: 8 March 2007 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


2000200010010025
Location: Dunnshargin


I,m not here either as I went to bed 20 minutes ago, but it does show you that just because your name is there does not mean you are on line.
usermichele
Posted: 8 March 2007 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


50005000500100100100100
Location: Rapido ..ask him what size


Oh I See ,
I have always known that Howie I,m confused that's not hard is it ha ha.

I often leave it logged on but I,m gone with the fairies?..
userhowie
Posted: 8 March 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


2000200010010025
Location: Dunnshargin


Automated Responce. Please refer back to previous postings on subject matter.
At least i,ve got a excuse when you try to winkle me out when i,m just earwigging now.
userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


I'm here now having been out since 7.45 p.m. Was my name showing, if it was did you refresh your browser and what happened?

Ah, I've just read Michele's post properly which suggests that my name wasn't showing. If that's the case I never logged off so it must only show those that are actually visiting the site - but of course, if they leave, their name stays until you refresh the page. I hope that that's clear.

Wake up Howie and pay attention!!!



Edited by Frank Wilkinson 2007-03-08 10:48 PM
userJohn H
Posted: 8 March 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 
Has lots to offer

Posts: 408
100100100100


Howie isn't here Frank. He went to bed at 10:11 PM
userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 8 March 2007 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: Log on & OFF
 


I love this site! Fortunately the odd pain in the proverbial is compensated for by those with a brilliant sense of humour!
Jump to page : First 1 2 Last
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread
Jump to forum :


(Delete all cookies set by this site)(Return to Homepage)

Any problems? Contact the administrator