Bulletguy Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 M&S stating their case very clearly. Brexiters note; this is NOT the pandemic being blamed.....it's batty Brexit so what are your excuses this time? This is an example of yet another business you've wrecked.....and full port checks have not even started yet. Marks & Spencer BLAMES BREXIT as it closes 11 French stores The UK retail giant said all 11 franchise stores it operated with partner SFH in France would shut by the end of this year. M&S said supply chain problems since Brexit had made it "near impossible" to maintain standards of food supply. "M&S has a long history of serving customers in France and this is not a decision we or our partner SFH have taken lightly," said Paul Friston, M&S managing director of international. "However, as things stand today, the supply chain complexities in place following the UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect, resulting in an ongoing impact to the performance of our business. One of the main problems Marks & Spencer was facing in France was post-Brexit bureaucracy, a spokesman said. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58582860 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I read a few weeks ago that a third of M&S sandwiches sent to France didn't even make it to the shelves before their date code expired M&S are sending the same stuff - their own stuff - out every day. They must know the system inside out. So if M&S can't make it work, who can? And where is Boris Johnson when they need help *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 .. or pelmet who said they can do it on WTO terms perhaps he will appear and tell M&S how *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 John52 - 2021-09-16 5:09 PM I read a few weeks ago that a third of M&S sandwiches sent to France didn't even make it to the shelves before their date code expired M&S are sending the same stuff - their own stuff - out every day. They must know the system inside out. So if M&S can't make it work, who can? And where is Boris Johnson when they need help *-) It's the reams of documentation required to export which has killed the trade. Prior to Brexit Britain becoming a third country on 1st Jan this year everything ran seamlessly. Remember we have been allowing imports through unchecked in order to try and keep stores stocked. In four months time that comes to an end and everything we import will be subject to full customs checks. This is why EU hauliers will avoid this pariah state altogether as they have access to a seamless block of 27 other countries where their wheels are turning and the drivers are earning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 It will get worse now because France has lost a lot of submarine work for Australia to GB and USA. There will be lots of tantrums and stamping of feet while they work out a way to be even more childish and spiteful. :D Thinking about it, I reckon a couple of members (at least) on here could well be of French heritage. 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 747 - 2021-09-16 7:46 PM It will get worse now because France has lost a lot of submarine work for Australia to GB and USA. It's cost 350 jobs in Navy Group Australia so hardly a cause to celebrate. I'd also expect a customer whose signed a contract to honour it instead of going behind the back opening up a deal elsewhere and not having the decency to keep the French fully informed. There will be lots of tantrums and stamping of feet while they work out a way to be even more childish and spiteful. :D In respect of import/export France is simply following legislation on control of goods. This was known about before the referendum but Brexiters dismissed it as "Project Fear". Welcome to Project Reality and you'd best get used to it as UK border control isn't implementing full checks on imports until 1st January because we don't have the staff to cover it so you lot have got four months to sort your mess out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-09-16 10:10 PM In respect of import/export France is simply following legislation on control of goods. This was known about before the referendum but Brexiters dismissed it as "Project Fear". Welcome to Project Reality and you'd best get used to it as UK border control isn't implementing full checks on imports until 1st January because we don't have the staff to cover it so you lot have got four months to sort your mess out. As I recall the Brexiteers said that since we import more from the EU than we export to them, the EU need us more than we need them *-) ... and Britannia rules the waves of course *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-09-16 10:10 PM 747 - 2021-09-16 7:46 PM It will get worse now because France has lost a lot of submarine work for Australia to GB and USA. It's cost 350 jobs in Navy Group Australia so hardly a cause to celebrate. I'd also expect a customer whose signed a contract to honour it instead of going behind the back opening up a deal elsewhere and not having the decency to keep the French fully informed. There will be lots of tantrums and stamping of feet while they work out a way to be even more childish and spiteful. :D In respect of import/export France is simply following legislation on control of goods. This was known about before the referendum but Brexiters dismissed it as "Project Fear". Welcome to Project Reality and you'd best get used to it as UK border control isn't implementing full checks on imports until 1st January because we don't have the staff to cover it so you lot have got four months to sort your mess out. Bonjour monsewer. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek500 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Yes, it is called international trade. And peoples jobs here depended on it, well did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Where did you draw that conclusion from Derek? The sandwiches would be made up 'in house' at premises in UK or France. There is nothing in the report indicating the procedure you suggested. What is very clear from the report is M&S lay the blame at the door of Brexit, "UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect. Marks & Spencer in France was "another casualty of Brexit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek500 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 2:57 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Where did you draw that conclusion from Derek? The sandwiches would be made up 'in house' at premises in UK or France. There is nothing in the report indicating the procedure you suggested. What is very clear from the report is M&S lay the blame at the door of Brexit, "UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect. Marks & Spencer in France was "another casualty of Brexit". The sandwiches are made in the UK and exported to France. There's been several press reports about this since January. There was a similar story of a pig farm in Wiltshire having to close as they were sending the meat to Germany to make sausages that were then exported back to the UK and sold as 'British'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 derek500 - 2021-09-18 3:35 PM Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 2:57 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Where did you draw that conclusion from Derek? The sandwiches would be made up 'in house' at premises in UK or France. There is nothing in the report indicating the procedure you suggested. What is very clear from the report is M&S lay the blame at the door of Brexit, "UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect. Marks & Spencer in France was "another casualty of Brexit". The sandwiches are made in the UK and exported to France. I get that part....but where does Spain come in? :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 The sandwiches are made in the UK and exported to France. There's been several press reports about this since January. I know the French Government are a bit odd but do they not have bread in France - perhaps we could train them to make sandwiches? Retailing is tough wherever you are these days and it is easier to blame someone else than for management to take responsibilty for their own poor decisions and failure to forsee the market - something that M&S has made a habit of in recent times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek500 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 2:57 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Where did you draw that conclusion from Derek? The sandwiches would be made up 'in house' at premises in UK or France. There is nothing in the report indicating the procedure you suggested. What is very clear from the report is M&S lay the blame at the door of Brexit, "UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect. Marks & Spencer in France was "another casualty of Brexit". The sandwiches are made in the UK and exported to France. There's been several press reports about this since January. There was a similar story of a pig farm in Wiltshire having to close as they were sending the meat to Germany to make sausages that were then exported back to the UK and sold as 'British'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Tracker - 2021-09-18 4:31 PM do they not have bread in France - perhaps we could train them to make sandwiches? I bet M&S haven't thought of that You should write and tell them *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 John52 - 2021-09-18 5:37 PM Tracker - 2021-09-18 4:31 PM do they not have bread in France - perhaps we could train them to make sandwiches? I bet M&S haven't thought of that You should write and tell them *-) Would be better coming from you as everyone knows that you know everything about everything and they would listen intently to you - just like we all do on here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Tracker - 2021-09-18 5:41 PM John52 - 2021-09-18 5:37 PM Tracker - 2021-09-18 4:31 PM do they not have bread in France - perhaps we could train them to make sandwiches? I bet M&S haven't thought of that You should write and tell them *-) Would be better coming from you as everyone knows that you know everything about everything and they would listen intently to you - just like we all do on here!! So you've got him sussed to Rich :D ....... Nice to see you back ;-) ....... BTW our mixer is working well :-> ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-09-18 8:08 PM BTW our mixer is working well :-> ......... Cheers Dave. Concrete Dave they call him - king of the west county mixed up brigade - don't ask what is under the concrete though!! Just a passing visit until the boredom of the same old overtakes the boredom of being vanless at home!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 You can, of course, get bread in France and Spain. But its not the same as English bread And not enough demand to justify setting up an English bakery So its sent down to Spain frozen to be sold in British communitires (or it was before Brexit f*cked up our exports and fredom of movement.) People will pay more for it to have a taste of home Same as M&S sandwiches. And thats just the bread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek500 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 4:10 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 3:35 PM Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 2:57 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Where did you draw that conclusion from Derek? The sandwiches would be made up 'in house' at premises in UK or France. There is nothing in the report indicating the procedure you suggested. What is very clear from the report is M&S lay the blame at the door of Brexit, "UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect. Marks & Spencer in France was "another casualty of Brexit". The sandwiches are made in the UK and exported to France. I get that part....but where does Spain come in? :-S Salad journey - Spain>France>UK>France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 derek500 - 2021-09-19 8:13 AM Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 4:10 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 3:35 PM Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 2:57 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Where did you draw that conclusion from Derek? The sandwiches would be made up 'in house' at premises in UK or France. There is nothing in the report indicating the procedure you suggested. What is very clear from the report is M&S lay the blame at the door of Brexit, "UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect. Marks & Spencer in France was "another casualty of Brexit". The sandwiches are made in the UK and exported to France. I get that part....but where does Spain come in? :-S Salad journey - Spain>France>UK>France. Not very good for the planet then ;-) ......... So that's another Brexit benefit........It's helping save the planet by reducing food miles B-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 derek500 - 2021-09-19 8:13 AM Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 4:10 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 3:35 PM Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 2:57 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Where did you draw that conclusion from Derek? The sandwiches would be made up 'in house' at premises in UK or France. There is nothing in the report indicating the procedure you suggested. What is very clear from the report is M&S lay the blame at the door of Brexit, "UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect. Marks & Spencer in France was "another casualty of Brexit". The sandwiches are made in the UK and exported to France. I get that part....but where does Spain come in? :-S Salad journey - Spain>France>UK>France. There was no mention of Spain in the report Derek. However I searched online for info about where M&S sources it's foods from and it does appear a fair amount is grown here; https://www.marksandspencer.com/c/food-to-order/adventures-in-food/eat-the-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Bought 3 chickens for £10 today B-) ......... Although with the Co-op divi it worked out at £9.80 :D ........ I thought the LOSER brigade said chicken was in short supply (?) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-09-19 9:42 AM derek500 - 2021-09-19 8:13 AM Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 4:10 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 3:35 PM Bulletguy - 2021-09-18 2:57 PM derek500 - 2021-09-18 12:24 PM So M&S drive salad goods through France from Spain, cross the Channel with them, make sandwiches and then send them back to France!! Surprisingly, the Green Party are pro-EU! Where did you draw that conclusion from Derek? The sandwiches would be made up 'in house' at premises in UK or France. There is nothing in the report indicating the procedure you suggested. What is very clear from the report is M&S lay the blame at the door of Brexit, "UK's exit from the European Union now make it near impossible for us to serve fresh and chilled products to customers to the high standards they expect. Marks & Spencer in France was "another casualty of Brexit". The sandwiches are made in the UK and exported to France. I get that part....but where does Spain come in? :-S Salad journey - Spain>France>UK>France. Not very good for the planet then ;-) ......... So that's another Brexit benefit........It's helping save the planet by reducing food miles B-) ....... Yet you purchased upholstery cloth online from Spain. Your hypocrisy is staggering. If so conscious about 'saving the planet' you should have bought locally and collected it by bike or foot. pelmetman - 2021-03-15 3:00 PM End of Feb ordered some fabric from Spain ;-) ......... 980 euros worth so not a insignificant amount for reupholstering Horace and our Caravan in Spain B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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