Momentum Say It Like It Is

[antony1969]

Even his big backers know what him and his racist party are ... https://news.sky.com/story/momentum-chair-jon-lansman-admits-major-problem-with-antisemitism-in-labour-11647753 ... Yuk

[Bulletguy]

 

Yeah the Purple Momentum are a truly vile lot who've come home to roost back in the Tory party of racists who've welcomed them in. Ever likely that lot are falling apart.

[antony1969]

Bulletguy - 2019-02-25 6:21 PM

 

 

Yeah the Purple Momentum are a truly vile lot who've come home to roost back in the Tory party of racists who've welcomed them in. Ever likely that lot are falling apart.

 

Your really losing aint ya ... Losing big

[Guest pelmetman]

antony1969 - 2019-02-25 5:45 PM

 

Even his big backers know what him and his racist party are ... https://news.sky.com/story/momentum-chair-jon-lansman-admits-major-problem-with-antisemitism-in-labour-11647753 ... Yuk

 

They don't like the truth do they ;-) ..............a bit like our resident Jew haters :D ........

 

 

[Fast Pat]

FROM THE MOMENT Jeremy Corbyn emerged as leader of the Labour Party a barrage of allegations of antisemitism was levelled at him and the party. These allegations have tarnished the party’s image and deflected it from promoting its core programme of anti-austerity and redistribution of wealth.

 

Representing several hundred Jewish members of the party, Jewish Voice for Labour from the very start challenged the existence of this antisemitic wave. Never denying for a moment the existence of serious, isolated expressions of antisemitism, none of us – many with decades of party membership – experienced anything at all resembling such undercurrents. Why was Labour singled out for such interrogation, and was antisemitism really more prevalent in the party than elsewhere?

 

The wave of allegations swamped the party machinery. After Jennie Formby became General Secretary, the implementation of some of the Chakrabarti recommendations and expansion of staffing levels, it is clear that this wave of reported allegations is being managed promptly, with only 24 cases outstanding.

 

And a clear picture has finally emerged. Jennie Formby’s data confirms that the grounds for the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn and Labour have indeed been grossly exaggerated, and in some cases fabricated. Over the last ten months there were:

 

» 1,106 referrals of antisemitism allegations;

 

» 433 of these had nothing to do with party members, leaving 673 to be investigated;

 

» 220 of these were dismissed entirely for lack of evidence;

 

» this left 453 cases;

 

» 453 is 0.08% of the party’s 540,000 members – that’s about 1/12th of 1%;

 

» 96 of these resulted in suspensions – that’s 0.01%, or 1/100th of 1% of members;

 

» there were twelve expulsions – that’s 0.002%, or 1/500th of 1% of members!

 

By no stretch of the imagination can a 0.08% incidence support the claim of a ‘”rampant problem in Labour”. Of course, even one case of antisemitism is one too many. But these are vanishingly small statistics, especially when you consider that 2-5% of the general population are considered to be antisemitic.

 

This is not a wave, it is not even a ripple. In nautical terms it’s almost a dead flat calm.

 

Furthermore, there is no record of the thousands of abusive messages MPs like Ruth Smeeth claimed to have received, alleging most emanated from the Labour Party. The source of these might well have been traced to the ten fake twitter accounts masquerading as Labour Party members, unmasked by journalist Asa Winstanley. But to our knowledge, such numbers have never been submitted for investigation.

 

Margaret Hodge MP was informed by Jennie Formby that of the 200 dossiers of cases of antisemitism she had submitted, only 20 were found to be by Labour Party members. In other words, her allegations of antisemitism in the party had been exaggerated tenfold. And single handedly she accounted for approaching one fifth of all referrals.

 

Headlines proclaiming there was “no safe place for Jews in Corbyn’s Labour”, or that Labour needed, in the words of Marie van de Zyl, when vice-president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, to “drain the cesspit of antisemitism”, have been shown to be contradicted by the evidence.

 

When the Shami Chakrabarti inquiry was presented we learned that there was no evidence of widespread antisemitism in Labour, but there were some offensive comments often borne out of ignorance. In cases such as these 146 written warnings were issued.

 

If the facts are at such odds with the accounts of leading politicians and mainstream media, there can be only one explanation – these accounts are driven by ulterior political agendas. Other forms of racism, for which manifestations in the UK are 70 times more prevalent than those for antisemitism, barely get a mention.

 

At the last election Labour fell short of becoming the government by a few percentage points. The next election is predicted to be as close. The damage to the party inflicted by the allegations of antisemitism is calculated to impact on this tipping point – to keep the party out of office. Ironically, the Labour Party is the only party in western Europe which has both the programme and the potential to govern, and thus the power to address the economic and political causes of the very real rise of fascism across Europe. The stakes couldn’t be higher!

 

From Jewish Voice For Labour - Labour Jewish Members

[antony1969]

Fast Pat - 2019-02-26 9:53 AM

 

FROM THE MOMENT Jeremy Corbyn emerged as leader of the Labour Party a barrage of allegations of antisemitism was levelled at him and the party. These allegations have tarnished the party’s image and deflected it from promoting its core programme of anti-austerity and redistribution of wealth.

 

Representing several hundred Jewish members of the party, Jewish Voice for Labour from the very start challenged the existence of this antisemitic wave. Never denying for a moment the existence of serious, isolated expressions of antisemitism, none of us – many with decades of party membership – experienced anything at all resembling such undercurrents. Why was Labour singled out for such interrogation, and was antisemitism really more prevalent in the party than elsewhere?

 

The wave of allegations swamped the party machinery. After Jennie Formby became General Secretary, the implementation of some of the Chakrabarti recommendations and expansion of staffing levels, it is clear that this wave of reported allegations is being managed promptly, with only 24 cases outstanding.

 

And a clear picture has finally emerged. Jennie Formby’s data confirms that the grounds for the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn and Labour have indeed been grossly exaggerated, and in some cases fabricated. Over the last ten months there were:

 

» 1,106 referrals of antisemitism allegations;

 

» 433 of these had nothing to do with party members, leaving 673 to be investigated;

 

» 220 of these were dismissed entirely for lack of evidence;

 

» this left 453 cases;

 

» 453 is 0.08% of the party’s 540,000 members – that’s about 1/12th of 1%;

 

» 96 of these resulted in suspensions – that’s 0.01%, or 1/100th of 1% of members;

 

» there were twelve expulsions – that’s 0.002%, or 1/500th of 1% of members!

 

By no stretch of the imagination can a 0.08% incidence support the claim of a ‘”rampant problem in Labour”. Of course, even one case of antisemitism is one too many. But these are vanishingly small statistics, especially when you consider that 2-5% of the general population are considered to be antisemitic.

 

This is not a wave, it is not even a ripple. In nautical terms it’s almost a dead flat calm.

 

Furthermore, there is no record of the thousands of abusive messages MPs like Ruth Smeeth claimed to have received, alleging most emanated from the Labour Party. The source of these might well have been traced to the ten fake twitter accounts masquerading as Labour Party members, unmasked by journalist Asa Winstanley. But to our knowledge, such numbers have never been submitted for investigation.

 

Margaret Hodge MP was informed by Jennie Formby that of the 200 dossiers of cases of antisemitism she had submitted, only 20 were found to be by Labour Party members. In other words, her allegations of antisemitism in the party had been exaggerated tenfold. And single handedly she accounted for approaching one fifth of all referrals.

 

Headlines proclaiming there was “no safe place for Jews in Corbyn’s Labour”, or that Labour needed, in the words of Marie van de Zyl, when vice-president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, to “drain the cesspit of antisemitism”, have been shown to be contradicted by the evidence.

 

When the Shami Chakrabarti inquiry was presented we learned that there was no evidence of widespread antisemitism in Labour, but there were some offensive comments often borne out of ignorance. In cases such as these 146 written warnings were issued.

 

If the facts are at such odds with the accounts of leading politicians and mainstream media, there can be only one explanation – these accounts are driven by ulterior political agendas. Other forms of racism, for which manifestations in the UK are 70 times more prevalent than those for antisemitism, barely get a mention.

 

At the last election Labour fell short of becoming the government by a few percentage points. The next election is predicted to be as close. The damage to the party inflicted by the allegations of antisemitism is calculated to impact on this tipping point – to keep the party out of office. Ironically, the Labour Party is the only party in western Europe which has both the programme and the potential to govern, and thus the power to address the economic and political causes of the very real rise of fascism across Europe. The stakes couldn’t be higher!

 

From Jewish Voice For Labour - Labour Jewish Members

 

Oh Lordy ... Hes holding up Shamis shambles of an inquiry as sumat we should believe ... She was rewarded well by Jeremy for her cough inquiry ... Those figures you show are only on reported cases ... Much much more goes unreported ... Keep on defending racism

[Fast Pat]

"Those figures you show are only on reported cases ... Much much more goes unreported ."

 

So now you want the Labour Party to examine cases that haven't even been reported to it?

[Bulletguy]

Fast Pat - 2019-02-26 12:43 PM

 

"Those figures you show are only on reported cases ... Much much more goes unreported ."

 

So now you want the Labour Party to examine cases that haven't even been reported to it?

The 'uddersfield roofer has a very vivid imagination so cooking up a few fairy stories won't be a problem for him. ;-)

[Guest pelmetman]

Fast Pat - 2019-02-26 9:53 AM

 

From Jewish Voice For Labour - Labour Jewish Members

 

Oh you mean that organisation set up in 2017 ......."to uphold the right of supporters of justice for Palestinians to engage in solidarity activities" and "opposing attempts to widen the definition of antisemitism beyond its meaning of hostility towards, or discrimination against, Jews as Jews."[2]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Labour

 

So nothing to do with Jews really is it? *-) ...........

 

It's just another pro Palestinian Propaganda unit >:-) .........

 

 

[Fast Pat]

pelmetman - 2019-02-26 4:10 PM

 

Fast Pat - 2019-02-26 9:53 AM

 

Oh you mean that organisation set up in 2017 ......."to uphold the right of supporters of justice for Palestinians to engage in solidarity activities" and "opposing attempts to widen the definition of antisemitism beyond its meaning of hostility towards, or discrimination against, Jews as Jews."[2]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Labour

 

Glad you provided your source "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (November 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"

 

"Purposes

Jewish Voice for Labour describes itself as a "network for Jewish members of the Labour Party" which "stand for rights and justice for Jewish people everywhere and against wrongs and injustice to Palestinians and other oppressed people anywhere".[10] The organisation's founding statement advocated "making the Labour Party an open, democratic and inclusive party, encouraging all ethnic groups and cultures to join and participate freely", to support a commitment "to strengthen the party in its opposition to all forms of racism, including antisemitism",[4] and "does not make promoting the centrality of Israel to Jewish life a condition of membership".[11] The organisation's motto is "Always with the oppressed; never with the oppressor"[12] which paraphrases a quote by Marek Edelman, the last surviving commander of the Warsaw Uprising.[8]

 

Membership

The organisation only admits full membership to Labour Party members who identify as Jewish"

[Bulletguy]

pelmetman - 2019-02-26 4:10 PM

 

Oh you mean that organisation set up in 2017 ......."to uphold the right of supporters of justice for Palestinians to engage in solidarity activities" and "opposing attempts to widen the definition of antisemitism beyond its meaning of hostility towards, or discrimination against, Jews as Jews."[2]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Labour

 

So nothing to do with Jews really is it? *-) ...........

 

It's just another pro Palestinian Propaganda unit >:-) .........

 

Fast Pat - 2019-02-26 5:21 PM

 

Glad you provided your source "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (November 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"

 

"Purposes

Jewish Voice for Labour describes itself as a "network for Jewish members of the Labour Party" which "stand for rights and justice for Jewish people everywhere and against wrongs and injustice to Palestinians and other oppressed people anywhere".[10] The organisation's founding statement advocated "making the Labour Party an open, democratic and inclusive party, encouraging all ethnic groups and cultures to join and participate freely", to support a commitment "to strengthen the party in its opposition to all forms of racism, including antisemitism",[4] and "does not make promoting the centrality of Israel to Jewish life a condition of membership".[11] The organisation's motto is "Always with the oppressed; never with the oppressor"[12] which paraphrases a quote by Marek Edelman, the last surviving commander of the Warsaw Uprising.[8]

 

Membership

The organisation only admits full membership to Labour Party members who identify as Jewish"

Sorted.

[Guest pelmetman]

Fast Pat - 2019-02-26 5:21 PM

 

pelmetman - 2019-02-26 4:10 PM

 

Fast Pat - 2019-02-26 9:53 AM

 

Oh you mean that organisation set up in 2017 ......."to uphold the right of supporters of justice for Palestinians to engage in solidarity activities" and "opposing attempts to widen the definition of antisemitism beyond its meaning of hostility towards, or discrimination against, Jews as Jews."[2]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Labour

 

Glad you provided your source "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (November 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"

 

"Purposes

Jewish Voice for Labour describes itself as a "network for Jewish members of the Labour Party" which "stand for rights and justice for Jewish people everywhere and against wrongs and injustice to Palestinians and other oppressed people anywhere".[10] The organisation's founding statement advocated "making the Labour Party an open, democratic and inclusive party, encouraging all ethnic groups and cultures to join and participate freely", to support a commitment "to strengthen the party in its opposition to all forms of racism, including antisemitism",[4] and "does not make promoting the centrality of Israel to Jewish life a condition of membership".[11] The organisation's motto is "Always with the oppressed; never with the oppressor"[12] which paraphrases a quote by Marek Edelman, the last surviving commander of the Warsaw Uprising.[8]

 

Membership

The organisation only admits full membership to Labour Party members who identify as Jewish"

 

 

You mean its disputed by Corbynista's :D ..........Now there's a surprise (lol) ........

 

 

[Fast Pat]

"The debate about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is all about Israel, and whether indeed anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic. There are many British Jews who support Corbyn, who do not feel threatened by Corbyn’s pro-Palestinian stance and wrote of their support in a letter to The Guardian.

 

The problem lies with the Board of Deputies which claims to speak for all Jews in Britain. These are the leaders who have appointed themselves judge, jury and hangman in each and every allegation of anti-Semitism.

 

Their claim is fatally flawed when they cannot even bring themselves to condemn Benjamin Netanyahu for making a political alliance with the devotees of the late Meir Kahane.

 

His Kach Party was outlawed after supporter Baruch Goldstein massacred 29 Palestinians at prayer at the Cave of the Patriarch’s Mosque in Hebron 25 years ago today. This massacre led to the first Hamas suicide bombs. The Likud-leaning AIPAC condemned the Israeli prime minister, but the Board of Deputies could not.

 

The board’s US partner, the American Jewish Committee, wrote: "The views of Otzma Yehudit are reprehensible. They do not reflect the core values that are the very foundation of the State of Israel."

 

But the Board of Deputies was silent. Tal Ofer, deputy on the Board, tweeted on Friday: "The @BoardofDeputies have said they don’t want to comment on political parties and candidates during elections."

 

Really? They have not stopped commenting on, and condemning, Corbyn and Labour in the beginning , middle and end of election campaigns. This is moral cowardice and hypocrisy of the highest order and the very heart of the struggle that is tearing not only the Labour Party apart but the British Jewish community as well."

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/truth-about-seumas-milne-jeremy-corbyn-and-new-mccarthyism?fbclid=IwAR0HgeGHn5KtU-P4QDvsf5yqfX5T1RUo1UjhvTS4iu9HQ22r7o1Hc4xjllE

[Guest pelmetman]

Fast Pat - 2019-02-27 9:07 AM

 

"The debate about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is all about Israel, and whether indeed anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic. There are many British Jews who support Corbyn, who do not feel threatened by Corbyn’s pro-Palestinian stance and wrote of their support in a letter to The Guardian.

 

Many? *-) ...........You mean a minority of left wing nut jobs like yourself (lol) ........