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Posted: 15 May 2018 8:58 PM
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globebuster - 2018-05-15 6:28 PM

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globebuster - 2018-05-14 7:47 PM

Bills grammer is awfull!

Bill who?

Oh and it's grammar btw!


I do apologies - OK, I'll call him William then....... the letter is signed Bill, although it actually looks like Bile to me - possibly more appropriate?

I can sea hughmer is a lost corrs to U - BTW my grammar is perfick

Just a casual note to let me know message received and wilco! I expect he's had thousands to plough through. As a Tory MP, bile would be appropriate given the current circumstances.
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Posted: 15 May 2018 10:14 PM
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59 year old Loyd Grant, worked and paid taxes throughout but now homeless, stateless, jobless, unable to claim benefits and relying on friends for 'sofa surfing', unable even to attend his mothers funeral in Jamaica.

Disgraceful.

Javid has already found 63 cases who may have been wrongly deported....which only two weeks ago his predecessor told the select committee 'none were found'. There are 8,000 cases the current HS has to wade through so as he explained, there may well be more.

https://www.channel4.com/news/more-than-60-people-from-windrush-generation-may-have-been-wrongly-deported
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Posted: 16 May 2018 8:38 AM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-15 10:14 PM


59 year old Loyd Grant, worked and paid taxes throughout but now homeless, stateless, jobless, unable to claim benefits and relying on friends for 'sofa surfing', unable even to attend his mothers funeral in Jamaica.

Disgraceful.

Javid has already found 63 cases who may have been wrongly deported....which only two weeks ago his predecessor told the select committee 'none were found'. There are 8,000 cases the current HS has to wade through so as he explained, there may well be more.

https://www.channel4.com/news/more-than-60-people-from-windrush-generation-may-have-been-wrongly-deported


You forgot the bit about 32 of the 63 being criminals Bullet ..............

So your mole hill is based on 31 people who left London for the Caribbean "Voluntarily" ..........Cant say I'd blame them ...........

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Posted: 16 May 2018 9:37 AM
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Without seeking to minimise the consequences for those “Windrush” migrants who have possibly been deported or who voluntarily returned, the 63 found out of 8000 checks made on returns since 2002 equals 0.7%. As a percentage of the total number of Windrush migrants or their qualifying descendants it would be even less. I don't believe it is reasonable to expect there to be a 0% error rate in any sphere of human activity.

That is not to say that there may be a much larger percentage who are still here but who have lost jobs, unable to rent a home, unable to obtain non-emergency treatment on the NHS etc. which of course is rightly a matter of grave concern because the cost to them is undoubtedly a high one as some of their stories have shown.

Whilst the true scale of the misery and injustice has yet to come out, thus far it has not been shown to be as bad as some might think due to the prominence given to this issue in the media. I wouldn't describe it as a molehill because it is about people and not just numbers.
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Posted: 16 May 2018 9:45 AM
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Put it another way Veronica it's not been as bad as some hoped !!! ... Good post by the way
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Posted: 16 May 2018 3:41 PM
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59 year old Loyd Grant, worked and paid taxes throughout but now homeless, stateless, jobless, unable to claim benefits and relying on friends for 'sofa surfing', unable even to attend his mothers funeral in Jamaica.

Disgraceful.

Javid has already found 63 cases who may have been wrongly deported....which only two weeks ago his predecessor told the select committee 'none were found'. There are 8,000 cases the current HS has to wade through so as he explained, there may well be more.

https://www.channel4.com/news/more-than-60-people-from-windrush-generation-may-have-been-wrongly-deported


You forgot the bit about 32 of the 63 being criminals Bullet ..............

So your mole hill is based on 31 people who left London for the Caribbean "Voluntarily" ..........Cant say I'd blame them ...........

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.
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Posted: 16 May 2018 3:53 PM
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Violet1956 - 2018-05-16 9:37 AM

Without seeking to minimise the consequences for those “Windrush” migrants who have possibly been deported or who voluntarily returned, the 63 found out of 8000 checks made on returns since 2002 equals 0.7%. As a percentage of the total number of Windrush migrants or their qualifying descendants it would be even less. I don't believe it is reasonable to expect there to be a 0% error rate in any sphere of human activity.

That is not to say that there may be a much larger percentage who are still here but who have lost jobs, unable to rent a home, unable to obtain non-emergency treatment on the NHS etc. which of course is rightly a matter of grave concern because the cost to them is undoubtedly a high one as some of their stories have shown.

Whilst the true scale of the misery and injustice has yet to come out, thus far it has not been shown to be as bad as some might think due to the prominence given to this issue in the media. I wouldn't describe it as a molehill because it is about people and not just numbers.


As Javid told the committee he has asked for more thorough checks on the figures so "can not give guarantee that number will not change"....in other words there could still be more.

It's worth remembering only two weeks ago Rudd told the same committee they had found no deportations but were still checking. Two weeks later and Javid suddenly finds there were deportations. I like to believe this guy at least has his finger on the job though my faith in him would have increased more had he voted in line to make public what May's government has suppressed from public scrutiny. If without guilt.......why would you seek to hide anything?
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Posted: 16 May 2018 4:30 PM
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Also worth remembering when Jeremy Corbyn asked May at PMQ's on April 18th

"Does the Prime Minister know how many British citizens have been wrongly deported and where to, and what provision has she made to bring them back home to Britain?"

Mays reply was;

"We are not aware of any specific cases of a person being removed from the UK in these circumstances"

Corbyn also posted this tweet dated 30th January 2014; https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/428918969912008704

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Posted: 16 May 2018 4:32 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 4:30 PM

Also worth remembering when Jeremy Corbyn asked May at PMQ's on April 18th

"Does the Prime Minister know how many British citizens have been wrongly deported and where to, and what provision has she made to bring them back home to Britain?"

Mays reply was;

"We are not aware of any specific cases of a person being removed from the UK in these circumstances"

Corbyn also posted this tweet dated 30th January 2014; https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/428918969912008704


I see the Windbag Generation has woke up .........

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Posted: 16 May 2018 4:36 PM
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And a young Chinese lady here who was already processing her visa status with the HO who got a knock on the door at 5.20am.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/16/footage-emerges-of-distressing-home-visit-by-immigration-officers
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Posted: 16 May 2018 4:37 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........



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Posted: 16 May 2018 5:52 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.
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Posted: 16 May 2018 6:09 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 5:52 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.


Suppose it comes down to numbers ... Thousands of young underage white girls raped and denied justice because those who are meant to protect us dont want to upset those who attack young girls against a handful of Windrush victims ... Suppose like Dave says someone who dealt in death as a profession probably cant grasp it
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Posted: 16 May 2018 6:09 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 5:52 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.


It's a cock up .....the genuine victims will get a nice bit of compo......and you will need to find another molehill ........



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Posted: 16 May 2018 6:24 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:09 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 5:52 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.


It's a cock up .....the genuine victims will get a nice bit of compo......and you will need to find another molehill ........

Flippantly dismissing it as just 'a cock up' is not good enough. This should never have happened under any government and you can never compensate someone denied the right to attend their loved ones funeral or be at their side during their final hours. No amount of money will ever compensate that.
userpelmetman
Posted: 16 May 2018 6:31 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 6:24 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:09 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 5:52 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.


It's a cock up .....the genuine victims will get a nice bit of compo......and you will need to find another molehill ........

Flippantly dismissing it as just 'a cock up' is not good enough. This should never have happened under any government and you can never compensate someone denied the right to attend their loved ones funeral or be at their side during their final hours. No amount of money will ever compensate that.


The rape of 1,000's children should never of happened.......So why have you been so quiet about the Labour councils who turned a blind eye eh? ...........

Just askin? .........

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Posted: 16 May 2018 6:33 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 6:24 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:09 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 5:52 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.


It's a cock up .....the genuine victims will get a nice bit of compo......and you will need to find another molehill ........

Flippantly dismissing it as just 'a cock up' is not good enough. This should never have happened under any government and you can never compensate someone denied the right to attend their loved ones funeral or be at their side during their final hours. No amount of money will ever compensate that.


Given the victims I reckon money will compensate that
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Posted: 16 May 2018 6:38 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:31 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 6:24 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:09 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 5:52 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.


It's a cock up .....the genuine victims will get a nice bit of compo......and you will need to find another molehill ........

Flippantly dismissing it as just 'a cock up' is not good enough. This should never have happened under any government and you can never compensate someone denied the right to attend their loved ones funeral or be at their side during their final hours. No amount of money will ever compensate that.


The rape of 1,000's children should never of happened.......So why have you been so quiet about the Labour councils who turned a blind eye eh? ...........

Just askin? .........

I've told you before if you wish to discuss child rape then open a thread on that subject and i will respond to your question there. Please do not disrupt this thread any further.
userBulletguy
Posted: 16 May 2018 6:40 PM
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antony1969 - 2018-05-16 6:33 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 6:24 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:09 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 5:52 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.


It's a cock up .....the genuine victims will get a nice bit of compo......and you will need to find another molehill ........

Flippantly dismissing it as just 'a cock up' is not good enough. This should never have happened under any government and you can never compensate someone denied the right to attend their loved ones funeral or be at their side during their final hours. No amount of money will ever compensate that.


Given the victims I reckon money will compensate that.

And exactly what are you implying by that?
userpelmetman
Posted: 16 May 2018 6:50 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 6:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:31 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 6:24 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:09 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 5:52 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 4:37 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 3:41 PM

Is that the best you have to offer for the likes of Lloyd Grant? And what of the British citizens wrongly removed.....what do you have to say for them? Your sneering is beneath contempt.


Unlike your false empathy eh? .........

Yeah 31 folk who voluntarily returned to the Caribbean are so much more worthy of your concern than thousands of RAPED kids ...........Yeah Bullet I'm sneering at YOU ........

Because frankly your false empathy is beneath contempt ...........

So when innocent British citizens are removed from their workplace, denied access to state aid, denied access to healthcare, denied a passport and forcibly removed to detention centres pending removal...you are perfectly ok with that?

Hhmmmm.


It's a cock up .....the genuine victims will get a nice bit of compo......and you will need to find another molehill ........

Flippantly dismissing it as just 'a cock up' is not good enough. This should never have happened under any government and you can never compensate someone denied the right to attend their loved ones funeral or be at their side during their final hours. No amount of money will ever compensate that.


The rape of 1,000's children should never of happened.......So why have you been so quiet about the Labour councils who turned a blind eye eh? ...........

Just askin? .........

I've told you before if you wish to discuss child rape then open a thread on that subject and i will respond to your question there. Please do not disrupt this thread any further.


There's been plenty of threads about the real scandal of child grooming on here ..........

Your loony lefty Labour empathy bias was obvious on there to .......



Edited by pelmetman 2018-05-16 6:58 PM
userBulletguy
Posted: 16 May 2018 8:06 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:50 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 6:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-05-16 6:31 PM

The rape of 1,000's children should never of happened.......So why have you been so quiet about the Labour councils who turned a blind eye eh? ...........

Just askin? .........

I've told you before if you wish to discuss child rape then open a thread on that subject and i will respond to your question there. Please do not disrupt this thread any further.


There's been plenty of threads about the real scandal of child grooming on here ..........

Your loony lefty Labour empathy bias was obvious on there to .......

Then stop disrupting this thread with off topic matters you have no intention of opening to discussion.
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Posted: 16 May 2018 8:26 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 4:36 PM


And a young Chinese lady here who was already processing her visa status with the HO who got a knock on the door at 5.20am.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/16/footage-emerges-of-distressing-home-visit-by-immigration-officers


This article is just too noddy and imprecise for my liking Paul. You and I don’t disagree much but I want to flag up some of my concerns about this story.
Strange isn’t it that some people always seem get their birthday cards with a tenner in, letters from home, parcels from their online shopping activities etc. etc. and yet never receive those important letters from the Home Office telling them they are going to be removed from the UK or the courts telling them the bailiffs will be round because there’s a civil judgement against them. It could all be true of course but in my book there’s room for doubt that she is telling the entire story. Maybe I’m getting a bit crabby and over sceptical in my old age but I find it strange believed she had an application that was still pending with the Home Office because there was a query about her English Language test but decided it was better to put in a new application rather than make another enquiry about the one that had been pending for nigh on four years. I remember the Panorama programme about the rampant faking of English language test results that she seems to have been caught up in. She may be innocent of any double dealing but hers is not the best example of the “hostile environment”.

The article also mentions that some people argue that dawn raids by Immigration Officers are inappropriate. I don’t agree that they are inappropriate. How else are immigration officers supposed to find people that are here illegally if like many they go out to work first thing in the morning? Should they make an appointment or just leave a note saying “we called but you were out”. Now how effective would that be?

Don’t get me wrong, I am not a supporter of the “hostile environment” nor do I seek to defend quite obvious miscarriages of justice. I hope Mr Javid has got his eye on the ball now. I thought his performance before the Home Affairs Select Committee was impressive. No lies, no pretending to know what he didn’t know just an honest exposition of the enormous task in hand.
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Posted: 16 May 2018 11:34 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-16 4:36 PM


And a young Chinese lady here who was already processing her visa status with the HO who got a knock on the door at 5.20am.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/16/footage-emerges-of-distressing-home-visit-by-immigration-officers


This article is just too noddy and imprecise for my liking Paul. You and I don’t disagree much but I want to flag up some of my concerns about this story.

Strange isn’t it that some people always seem get their birthday cards with a tenner in, letters from home, parcels from their online shopping activities etc. etc. and yet never receive those important letters from the Home Office telling them they are going to be removed from the UK or the courts telling them the bailiffs will be round because there’s a civil judgement against them. It could all be true of course but in my book there’s room for doubt that she is telling the entire story.

But she had received communication from the HO in 2014 after submitting an application to extend her visa and received a reply stating, “Please be assured that we will make a decision on your case as quickly as possible … We will not take removal action as a result of the contents of this letter.” She then received no further communication from the Home Office until a few days after the visit (from Immigration and Police) this month, informing her that she was “liable for removal”.

At the time of the 5am raid she had already paid out £2000 for a “one-day premium” visa processing service and been given an appointment on 16 May.......so what on earth were Immigration and six police officers doing turning up at their house? Why were they ever there? Why had some basic simple facts not been checked out by them before? Something they managed to do whilst at the house.

Maybe I’m getting a bit crabby and over sceptical in my old age but I find it strange believed she had an application that was still pending with the Home Office because there was a query about her English Language test but decided it was better to put in a new application rather than make another enquiry about the one that had been pending for nigh on four years. I remember the Panorama programme about the rampant faking of English language test results that she seems to have been caught up in. She may be innocent of any double dealing but hers is not the best example of the “hostile environment”.

A bit more than just sceptical Veronica! The English-language proficiency test had been suspended which was where she was told by letter, “Please be assured that we will make a decision on your case as quickly as possible … We will not take removal action as a result of the contents of this letter.”.

So that is assuring her she will not be removed from the UK. That's how i would interpret that anyway.

It's also worth remembering the HO had held her passport for four years.....why??? Were they expecting her to try and escape from 'the regime'??? This is Britain....*supposedly* a democratic country but i've always had doubt over our so called 'democracy''. We are not as 'free' as some of us like to think and these actions are more in line with how ex-DDR citizens used to be policed.

The article also mentions that some people argue that dawn raids by Immigration Officers are inappropriate. I don’t agree that they are inappropriate. How else are immigration officers supposed to find people that are here illegally if like many they go out to work first thing in the morning? Should they make an appointment or just leave a note saying “we called but you were out”. Now how effective would that be?

I think it was heavy handed and extreme. SIX police officers with the immigration guys!!! I mean fgs they were going there to arrest a tiny little Chinese girl......not a group of armed terrorists!!

Don’t get me wrong, I am not a supporter of the “hostile environment” nor do I seek to defend quite obvious miscarriages of justice. I hope Mr Javid has got his eye on the ball now. I thought his performance before the Home Affairs Select Committee was impressive. No lies, no pretending to know what he didn’t know just an honest exposition of the enormous task in hand.

I just hope Javid doesn't drop the ball because lets not forget his boss has been the protagonist of this debacle and as long as she remains PM there's going to be trouble.....that's why she made sure files on Windrush never see the light of day because there is obviously incriminating evidence firmly pointing at her. That's why she's suppressed it. She presided over a department for six years that conspired against the citizens of this country. This isn't just the usual kind of incompetence or general uselessness we expect from our politicians. It's on a completely different scale and magnitude altogether.

May was hellbent on cutting immigration figures and as she had no control on EU migration (or did but didn't use the rules available to her) she went hell for leather on people originally from non EU countries!

How the hell she is still in office is quite frankly totally baffling This is the most disgraceful thing I've seen in UK politics for a long, long time and previously, unimaginable.....at least to me.

And this is a government department who thinks you can bring up a child via Skype

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immigration-rules-children-punish-families-government-supreme-court-ruling-skype-kids-home-office-a7863376.html
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Then stop disrupting this thread with off topic matters you have no intention of opening to discussion.


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And a young Chinese lady here who was already processing her visa status with the HO who got a knock on the door at 5.20am.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/16/footage-emerges-of-distressing-home-visit-by-immigration-officers


This article is just too noddy and imprecise for my liking Paul. You and I don’t disagree much but I want to flag up some of my concerns about this story.

Strange isn’t it that some people always seem get their birthday cards with a tenner in, letters from home, parcels from their online shopping activities etc. etc. and yet never receive those important letters from the Home Office telling them they are going to be removed from the UK or the courts telling them the bailiffs will be round because there’s a civil judgement against them. It could all be true of course but in my book there’s room for doubt that she is telling the entire story.

But she had received communication from the HO in 2014 after submitting an application to extend her visa and received a reply stating, “Please be assured that we will make a decision on your case as quickly as possible … We will not take removal action as a result of the contents of this letter.” She then received no further communication from the Home Office until a few days after the visit (from Immigration and Police) this month, informing her that she was “liable for removal”.

At the time of the 5am raid she had already paid out £2000 for a “one-day premium” visa processing service and been given an appointment on 16 May.......so what on earth were Immigration and six police officers doing turning up at their house? Why were they ever there? Why had some basic simple facts not been checked out by them before? Something they managed to do whilst at the house.

Maybe I’m getting a bit crabby and over sceptical in my old age but I find it strange believed she had an application that was still pending with the Home Office because there was a query about her English Language test but decided it was better to put in a new application rather than make another enquiry about the one that had been pending for nigh on four years. I remember the Panorama programme about the rampant faking of English language test results that she seems to have been caught up in. She may be innocent of any double dealing but hers is not the best example of the “hostile environment”.

A bit more than just sceptical Veronica! The English-language proficiency test had been suspended which was where she was told by letter, “Please be assured that we will make a decision on your case as quickly as possible … We will not take removal action as a result of the contents of this letter.”.

So that is assuring her she will not be removed from the UK. That's how i would interpret that anyway.

It's also worth remembering the HO had held her passport for four years.....why??? Were they expecting her to try and escape from 'the regime'??? This is Britain....*supposedly* a democratic country but i've always had doubt over our so called 'democracy''. We are not as 'free' as some of us like to think and these actions are more in line with how ex-DDR citizens used to be policed.

The article also mentions that some people argue that dawn raids by Immigration Officers are inappropriate. I don’t agree that they are inappropriate. How else are immigration officers supposed to find people that are here illegally if like many they go out to work first thing in the morning? Should they make an appointment or just leave a note saying “we called but you were out”. Now how effective would that be?

I think it was heavy handed and extreme. SIX police officers with the immigration guys!!! I mean fgs they were going there to arrest a tiny little Chinese girl......not a group of armed terrorists!!

Don’t get me wrong, I am not a supporter of the “hostile environment” nor do I seek to defend quite obvious miscarriages of justice. I hope Mr Javid has got his eye on the ball now. I thought his performance before the Home Affairs Select Committee was impressive. No lies, no pretending to know what he didn’t know just an honest exposition of the enormous task in hand.

I just hope Javid doesn't drop the ball because lets not forget his boss has been the protagonist of this debacle and as long as she remains PM there's going to be trouble.....that's why she made sure files on Windrush never see the light of day because there is obviously incriminating evidence firmly pointing at her. That's why she's suppressed it. She presided over a department for six years that conspired against the citizens of this country. This isn't just the usual kind of incompetence or general uselessness we expect from our politicians. It's on a completely different scale and magnitude altogether.

May was hellbent on cutting immigration figures and as she had no control on EU migration (or did but didn't use the rules available to her) she went hell for leather on people originally from non EU countries!

How the hell she is still in office is quite frankly totally baffling This is the most disgraceful thing I've seen in UK politics for a long, long time and previously, unimaginable.....at least to me.

And this is a government department who thinks you can bring up a child via Skype

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/immigration-rules-children-punish-families-government-supreme-court-ruling-skype-kids-home-office-a7863376.html


"This is the most disgraceful thing I've seen in UK politics in a long , long time" ... Surprises me that given you blamed the Tories for all those Grenfell deaths less than a year ago ... Folk burnt alive but you choose a blunder that's cost no lives to be your biggest dislike
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antony1969 - 2018-05-17 9:43 AM

"This is the most disgraceful thing I've seen in UK politics in a long , long time" ... Surprises me that given you blamed the Tories for all those Grenfell deaths less than a year ago ... Folk burnt alive but you choose a blunder that's cost no lives to be your biggest dislike

We have a long running thread on Grenfell and as i recall the majority of your posts in that were full of contempt, disdain and lacking any empathy for those who had suffered in pretty much the same manner you've posted about Windrush victims here. You were reminded in that of your attempt to subvert the thread to go off on yet another of your 'foreign type' folk rants and 'polluting a thread with your usual biased bile', so i find it completely inappropriate and insincere that you attempt the same here in this thread.

If you do not want to contribute to the thread topic, then please refrain from attempting to derail it.
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antony1969 - 2018-05-17 9:43 AM

"This is the most disgraceful thing I've seen in UK politics in a long , long time" ... Surprises me that given you blamed the Tories for all those Grenfell deaths less than a year ago ... Folk burnt alive but you choose a blunder that's cost no lives to be your biggest dislike

We have a long running thread on Grenfell and as i recall the majority of your posts in that were full of contempt, disdain and lacking any empathy for those who had suffered in pretty much the same manner you've posted about Windrush victims here. You were reminded in that of your attempt to subvert the thread to go off on yet another of your 'foreign type' folk rants and 'polluting a thread with your usual biased bile', so i find it completely inappropriate and insincere that you attempt the same here in this thread.

If you do not want to contribute to the thread topic, then please refrain from attempting to derail it.


If you don't like folk picking you up on what you claim is the most disgraceful thing in UK politics then that's your lookout fella ... You made Grenfell a political subject over and over again didn't ya ... If both Windrush and Grenfell are political issues in your book and you believe Windrush is the most disgraceful and I believe you also wanted our PM up on charges of crimes against humanity for Windrush then that's shame on you ... I don't have a great deal of time for both events but given how you've made both political I know which one I would describe as the most disgraceful ... Shameful
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-17 3:13 PM
so i find it completely inappropriate and insincere that you attempt the same here in this thread.


How you have the gall to call anyone insincere with your agenda is really quite funny .........

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antony1969 - 2018-05-17 3:52 PM

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antony1969 - 2018-05-17 9:43 AM

"This is the most disgraceful thing I've seen in UK politics in a long , long time" ... Surprises me that given you blamed the Tories for all those Grenfell deaths less than a year ago ... Folk burnt alive but you choose a blunder that's cost no lives to be your biggest dislike

We have a long running thread on Grenfell and as i recall the majority of your posts in that were full of contempt, disdain and lacking any empathy for those who had suffered in pretty much the same manner you've posted about Windrush victims here. You were reminded in that of your attempt to subvert the thread to go off on yet another of your 'foreign type' folk rants and 'polluting a thread with your usual biased bile', so i find it completely inappropriate and insincere that you attempt the same here in this thread.

If you do not want to contribute to the thread topic, then please refrain from attempting to derail it.


If you don't like folk picking you up on what you claim is the most disgraceful thing in UK politics then that's your lookout fella ... You made Grenfell a political subject over and over again didn't ya ...

It was and still is and we have a long running thread on it. This isn't about Grenfell, it's about Windrush victims and those who've fallen foul of Mays 'hostile environment' policy. You were reminded about attempting to subvert the Grenfell thread (post 18 March 2018 12:58 PM) and now you've jumped in here doing exactly the same.

You say you've "got no time for both events" so stop derailing with your usual bile.
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Bulletguy - 2018-05-17 4:52 PM

antony1969 - 2018-05-17 3:52 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-05-17 3:13 PM

antony1969 - 2018-05-17 9:43 AM

"This is the most disgraceful thing I've seen in UK politics in a long , long time" ... Surprises me that given you blamed the Tories for all those Grenfell deaths less than a year ago ... Folk burnt alive but you choose a blunder that's cost no lives to be your biggest dislike

We have a long running thread on Grenfell and as i recall the majority of your posts in that were full of contempt, disdain and lacking any empathy for those who had suffered in pretty much the same manner you've posted about Windrush victims here. You were reminded in that of your attempt to subvert the thread to go off on yet another of your 'foreign type' folk rants and 'polluting a thread with your usual biased bile', so i find it completely inappropriate and insincere that you attempt the same here in this thread.

If you do not want to contribute to the thread topic, then please refrain from attempting to derail it.


If you don't like folk picking you up on what you claim is the most disgraceful thing in UK politics then that's your lookout fella ... You made Grenfell a political subject over and over again didn't ya ...

It was and still is and we have a long running thread on it. This isn't about Grenfell, it's about Windrush victims and those who've fallen foul of Mays 'hostile environment' policy. You were reminded about attempting to subvert the Grenfell thread (post 18 March 2018 12:58 PM) and now you've jumped in here doing exactly the same.

You say you've "got no time for both events" so stop derailing with your usual bile.


Princess Im not the one trying to use both events for political brownie points ... As you well know my point has everything to do with your ridiculous political disgrace claim and zilch to do with Grenfell or Windrush ... Would it be easier if we discussed it on another thread ???
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