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Posted: 8 February 2019 11:20 AM
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Brexit is wrong it was won illegally promoted by a totally right wing press and Tory owned BBC...it is not possible to have considered discussion in relation to Brexit...where do you start....it was fraudulent and nothing can change that, it was won illegally.... the UK Government is corrupt .....the UK is fast becomming a dictatorship and the future is bleak...whatever the outcome of this particular corrupt event the UK will never be the same again. We know those who voted Brexit were lied to but sadly they know it now too but still support the corruption. Treaties and responsibilities are being broken without a thought for the consequences. The Tory Government are happily passing laws which result in the deaths of thousands of people in utter misery, poverty is rife....Victorian diseases realted to poverty have returned to the UK...homelessness is at an all time high with people in wheelchairs being made homeless and dying on the streets, the NHS is being totally destroyed to justify selling it off, hundreds of thousands of children are now living in poverty and temporary accommodation relying on food banks to stave off starvation, but the right wing press and the BBC remain stum......Democracy is dead and will remain so until some level honour is restored aided and a betted by an impartial media who will report the true state of affairs the country is now in.

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Posted: 8 February 2019 2:22 PM
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And the EU is virtuous, honest and goes to Church on Sundays.
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Posted: 8 February 2019 2:32 PM
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I agree with everything the OP says. I would like to see another fairly fought referendum based on the the options we have now on the table and remaining in the EU however right now as the OP says despite now knowing all of the above there hasnt been a massive changing of minds. I would have expected the swing to have been massive by now considering the evidence we now have of the damage Brexit will cause so if we cant have that then then perhaps the only way the UK can heal itself is to walk off the cliff into no deal. If people after all this time are still hell bent on shooting themselves in the face then maybe we have to let them get on with it in order to down the line pick up the pieces and start again.

Perhaps when we rejoin the EU and have to accept the Euro, Schengen and with no rebates we might make a better fist of it.
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Posted: 8 February 2019 5:32 PM
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Whilst the referendum may have been initiated democratically it certainly wasn't conducted democratically as the outfall of damning revelations which followed clearly showed democracy had been subverted through manipulation and interference from external sources. Chris Wylie gave solid testimony to that fact before the Digital, Culture, Media inquiry last year over illegal data harvesting.

Irrespective of whichever way anyone had voted or their political persuasions, i would be very uncomfortable with knowledge of the facts which emerged which has done irreparable damage i never thought previously possible in this country.

Regards the rise in poverty, homeless and foodbanks etc, the report from UN special rapporteur Prof. Philip Alston was scathing;

“British compassion for those who are suffering has been replaced by a punitive, mean-spirited and callous approach...austerity policies driven by a political desire to undertake social re-engineering rather than economic necessity. Changes to taxes and benefits have taken the highest toll on those least able to bear it,”

He went on to say, "the unnecessary suffering and austerity could be ended and for very little money.....but ministers remain in a state of denial".

This is his full report; https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=23881&LangID=E

Last night i watched a report on Channel 4 news who spoke to a lady who had a very privileged start in life....privately schooled, university education and worked as a language teacher, until a series of unforeseen circumstances brought her world crashing down to find herself the victim of experiencing exactly what Prof. Alston referred to...."punitive, mean-spirited and callous".

Listen to what she had to say about her experience and how she feels.

https://www.channel4.com/news/mps-visit-morecambe-in-food-bank-tour-for-chronic-poverty-report
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Posted: 8 February 2019 5:56 PM
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No political system anywhere on Earth is ever perfect, and even if it is close to perfect for some it will be far from perfect for others, depending on their point of view.
Such is life, and if you look around the world it matters not where you live nothing is ever perfect.
It may appear perfect to the outsider looking in but the folk who live there may well have a different perspective?
In the UK we have much to be grateful for, including the very precious freedom to moan about the state of the state without fear of persecution by said state.
Sure, like many of us I too have had some raw deals over the years from the state, from companies and from individuals - such is life's rich tapestry - pick yerself up, dust yerself off and start all over again.
I would have a lot more respect for the moaners if they had the gumption to try and do something about it instead of being just a keyboard warrior sitting in the warmth and safe anonymity of their own home.
I freely accept that I do not have that motivation either but I do not moan and whinge about the state and my own pet version of how democracy should be and neither do I try and foist my own opinions on all and sundry.
If democracy bothers you that much, get off your bum, stand for election and work towards changing it to how you see it but don't expect moaning on an obscure forum to make any difference whatsoever to anything or anyone.
userHarveyHeaven
Posted: 8 February 2019 6:15 PM
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Tracker - 2019-02-08 5:56 PM

No political system anywhere on Earth is ever perfect, and even if it is close to perfect for some it will be far from perfect for others, depending on their point of view.
Such is life, and if you look around the world it matters not where you live nothing is ever perfect.
It may appear perfect to the outsider looking in but the folk who live there may well have a different perspective?
In the UK we have much to be grateful for, including the very precious freedom to moan about the state of the state without fear of persecution by said state.
Sure, like many of us I too have had some raw deals over the years from the state, from companies and from individuals - such is life's rich tapestry - pick yerself up, dust yerself off and start all over again.
I would have a lot more respect for the moaners if they had the gumption to try and do something about it instead of being just a keyboard warrior sitting in the warmth and safe anonymity of their own home.
I freely accept that I do not have that motivation either but I do not moan and whinge about the state and my own pet version of how democracy should be and neither do I try and foist my own opinions on all and sundry.
If democracy bothers you that much, get off your bum, stand for election and work towards changing it to how you see it but don't expect moaning on an obscure forum to make any difference whatsoever to anything or anyone.


Unlike you I do engage at every level...actually you do moan and whinge a fair bit
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Posted: 8 February 2019 6:32 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-08 11:20 AM

Brexit is wrong it was won illegally promoted by a totally right wing press and Tory owned BBC...it is not possible to have considered discussion in relation to Brexit...where do you start....it was fraudulent and nothing can change that, it was won illegally.... the UK Government is corrupt .....the UK is fast becomming a dictatorship and the future is bleak...whatever the outcome of this particular corrupt event the UK will never be the same again. We know those who voted Brexit were lied to but sadly they know it now too but still support the corruption. Treaties and responsibilities are being broken without a thought for the consequences. The Tory Government are happily passing laws which result in the deaths of thousands of people in utter misery, poverty is rife....Victorian diseases realted to poverty have returned to the UK...homelessness is at an all time high with people in wheelchairs being made homeless and dying on the streets, the NHS is being totally destroyed to justify selling it off, hundreds of thousands of children are now living in poverty and temporary accommodation relying on food banks to stave off starvation, but the right wing press and the BBC remain stum......Democracy is dead and will remain so until some level honour is restored aided and a betted by an impartial media who will report the true state of affairs the country is now in.




Are you having an hormonal dysfunction ?.
userMuswell
Posted: 8 February 2019 6:33 PM
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We had a perfectly good system of parliamentary democracy but politicians introduced referenda to avoid political difficulties. The problem is that they are infrequent and give the population a chance to "stick it to the man". My brother lived in California where they have a lot of referenda and he tells me that because people are used to them they do vote on the actual issue.
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Posted: 8 February 2019 6:40 PM
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Tracker - 2019-02-08 5:56 PM

No political system anywhere on Earth is ever perfect, and even if it is close to perfect for some it will be far from perfect for others, depending on their point of view.
Such is life, and if you look around the world it matters not where you live nothing is ever perfect.
It may appear perfect to the outsider looking in but the folk who live there may well have a different perspective?
In the UK we have much to be grateful for, including the very precious freedom to moan about the state of the state without fear of persecution by said state.
Sure, like many of us I too have had some raw deals over the years from the state, from companies and from individuals - such is life's rich tapestry - pick yerself up, dust yerself off and start all over again.
I would have a lot more respect for the moaners if they had the gumption to try and do something about it instead of being just a keyboard warrior sitting in the warmth and safe anonymity of their own home.
I freely accept that I do not have that motivation either but I do not moan and whinge about the state and my own pet version of how democracy should be and neither do I try and foist my own opinions on all and sundry.
If democracy bothers you that much, get off your bum, stand for election and work towards changing it to how you see it but don't expect moaning on an obscure forum to make any difference whatsoever to anything or anyone.


How do you know we are not?
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Posted: 8 February 2019 7:08 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 6:40 PM
How do you know we are not?


Just a guess Barry - it comes from being well used to loadsa wannabe experts on here - are you?
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Posted: 8 February 2019 9:32 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 6:40 PM
How do you know we are not?


Just a guess Barry - it comes from being well used to loadsa wannabe experts on here - are you?


If you mean am I doing anything other than being a keyboard warrior on here Rich I am indeed. If there is ever a second (sorry third) ref Ill be the remain voice of the North on telly and stuff. Just wait till I get hold of that Farage bloke and even better Smuggy although I doubt Smuggy will come up here.
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Posted: 8 February 2019 10:33 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 9:32 PM
I doubt Smuggy will come up here.


Nobody with any sense would go up there Barry, so maybe your Uncle Jeremy will arrive one day soon and show you his amazing walking on water stunt?
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Posted: 9 February 2019 7:54 AM
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Tracker - 2019-02-08 10:33 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 9:32 PM
I doubt Smuggy will come up here.


Nobody with any sense would go up there Barry, so maybe your Uncle Jeremy will arrive one day soon and show you his amazing walking on water stunt?



You mean Auntie Theresa and Uncle Jeremy together holding hands walking on water!!!
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Posted: 9 February 2019 7:59 AM
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Lordy ... Talk about hissy fit hysterics ... Only makes me more happy with my leave vote
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Posted: 9 February 2019 8:49 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 6:40 PM
How do you know we are not?


Just a guess Barry - it comes from being well used to loadsa wannabe experts on here - are you?


I'm not an expert, I leave that to my wife.

I am though, and always have been an activist. For all sorts of luvvie causes, I have stood outside embassies protesting against apartheid, marched against the poll tax and the Iraq war (so against both political parties when they're "wrong"). Oh and Brexit of course. I've contributed to Amnesty and the various anti fascist groups, currently Hope not Hate, since I first got pocket money.

Oh and in case you hadn't guessed, I rejoined the Labour Party once they had a socialist leader, Blair was my MP when I moved back up here and I left Labour and joined the Greens as I just saw him as Maggie light.

Now some of these may be considered lost causes, but a lot of folk said that about apartheid. The one thing I have noticed during my "activism" is the way in which the mainstream media has moved to the right, not surprising when you consider that the six media tycoons that control the press are protecting their interests. But I've also taken heart at the cross section of society that is waking up to the inequalities the MSM are promoting. Had a lovely moment at a fracking site when a "respectable little old lady" and a "crustie" chained themselves together, uniited in a common bond.


So there's your ammunition folks, take aim......
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Posted: 9 February 2019 9:39 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 6:40 PM
How do you know we are not?


Just a guess Barry - it comes from being well used to loadsa wannabe experts on here - are you?


I'm not an expert, I leave that to my wife.

I am though, and always have been an activist. For all sorts of luvvie causes, I have stood outside embassies protesting against apartheid, marched against the poll tax and the Iraq war (so against both political parties when they're "wrong"). Oh and Brexit of course. I've contributed to Amnesty and the various anti fascist groups, currently Hope not Hate, since I first got pocket money.

Oh and in case you hadn't guessed, I rejoined the Labour Party once they had a socialist leader, Blair was my MP when I moved back up here and I left Labour and joined the Greens as I just saw him as Maggie light.

Now some of these may be considered lost causes, but a lot of folk said that about apartheid. The one thing I have noticed during my "activism" is the way in which the mainstream media has moved to the right, not surprising when you consider that the six media tycoons that control the press are protecting their interests. But I've also taken heart at the cross section of society that is waking up to the inequalities the MSM are promoting. Had a lovely moment at a fracking site when a "respectable little old lady" and a "crustie" chained themselves together, uniited in a common bond.


So there's your ammunition folks, take aim......


I hope your activism is a little more thought out and goes further than just spewing out insults you cant back up ... As for taking aim at the issues youve pointed out and your activism , you and the issues aren't important enough
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Posted: 9 February 2019 9:59 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-09 9:39 AM

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Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 6:40 PM
How do you know we are not?


Just a guess Barry - it comes from being well used to loadsa wannabe experts on here - are you?


I'm not an expert, I leave that to my wife.

I am though, and always have been an activist. For all sorts of luvvie causes, I have stood outside embassies protesting against apartheid, marched against the poll tax and the Iraq war (so against both political parties when they're "wrong"). Oh and Brexit of course. I've contributed to Amnesty and the various anti fascist groups, currently Hope not Hate, since I first got pocket money.

Oh and in case you hadn't guessed, I rejoined the Labour Party once they had a socialist leader, Blair was my MP when I moved back up here and I left Labour and joined the Greens as I just saw him as Maggie light.

Now some of these may be considered lost causes, but a lot of folk said that about apartheid. The one thing I have noticed during my "activism" is the way in which the mainstream media has moved to the right, not surprising when you consider that the six media tycoons that control the press are protecting their interests. But I've also taken heart at the cross section of society that is waking up to the inequalities the MSM are promoting. Had a lovely moment at a fracking site when a "respectable little old lady" and a "crustie" chained themselves together, uniited in a common bond.


So there's your ammunition folks, take aim......


I hope your activism is a little more thought out and goes further than just spewing out insults you cant back up ... As for taking aim at the issues youve pointed out and your activism , you and the issues aren't important enough[/QUOTE

I can see that Fast Pat has used rather a lot of words most Brexiters won't understand and thus can't relate to.......in fact all those words relating to honour, decency, humanity, democracy, culture....not in the dictionary of a Brexiter....so as we can see here that most Brexiters won't have the intelectual capacity to understand any of it
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Posted: 9 February 2019 10:00 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-09 9:39 AM

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Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 6:40 PM
How do you know we are not?


Just a guess Barry - it comes from being well used to loadsa wannabe experts on here - are you?


I'm not an expert, I leave that to my wife.

I am though, and always have been an activist. For all sorts of luvvie causes, I have stood outside embassies protesting against apartheid, marched against the poll tax and the Iraq war (so against both political parties when they're "wrong"). Oh and Brexit of course. I've contributed to Amnesty and the various anti fascist groups, currently Hope not Hate, since I first got pocket money.

Oh and in case you hadn't guessed, I rejoined the Labour Party once they had a socialist leader, Blair was my MP when I moved back up here and I left Labour and joined the Greens as I just saw him as Maggie light.

Now some of these may be considered lost causes, but a lot of folk said that about apartheid. The one thing I have noticed during my "activism" is the way in which the mainstream media has moved to the right, not surprising when you consider that the six media tycoons that control the press are protecting their interests. But I've also taken heart at the cross section of society that is waking up to the inequalities the MSM are promoting. Had a lovely moment at a fracking site when a "respectable little old lady" and a "crustie" chained themselves together, uniited in a common bond.


So there's your ammunition folks, take aim......


I hope your activism is a little more thought out and goes further than just spewing out insults you cant back up ... As for taking aim at the issues youve pointed out and your activism , you and the issues aren't important enough


Well then Anthony, I've shown you mine time to show me your's.

So what practical steps have you taken other than "spewing out insults", what marches have you been on and which groups do you / have you, belong to?
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Posted: 9 February 2019 10:00 AM
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Fast Pat - 2019-02-09 8:49 AM
So there's your ammunition folks, take aim......


Not at all - I respect your commitment - whilst not always agreeing with your causes!
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Posted: 9 February 2019 10:02 AM
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Tracker - 2019-02-09 10:00 AM

Fast Pat - 2019-02-09 8:49 AM
So there's your ammunition folks, take aim......


Not at all - I respect your commitment - whilst not always agreeing with your causes!


Fair enough. That's how a democracy should work.
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Posted: 9 February 2019 11:04 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-02-08 6:40 PM
How do you know we are not?


Just a guess Barry - it comes from being well used to loadsa wannabe experts on here - are you?


I'm not an expert, I leave that to my wife.

I am though, and always have been an activist. For all sorts of luvvie causes, I have stood outside embassies protesting against apartheid, marched against the poll tax and the Iraq war (so against both political parties when they're "wrong"). Oh and Brexit of course. I've contributed to Amnesty and the various anti fascist groups, currently Hope not Hate, since I first got pocket money.

Oh and in case you hadn't guessed, I rejoined the Labour Party once they had a socialist leader, Blair was my MP when I moved back up here and I left Labour and joined the Greens as I just saw him as Maggie light.

Now some of these may be considered lost causes, but a lot of folk said that about apartheid. The one thing I have noticed during my "activism" is the way in which the mainstream media has moved to the right, not surprising when you consider that the six media tycoons that control the press are protecting their interests. But I've also taken heart at the cross section of society that is waking up to the inequalities the MSM are promoting. Had a lovely moment at a fracking site when a "respectable little old lady" and a "crustie" chained themselves together, uniited in a common bond.


So there's your ammunition folks, take aim......


I hope your activism is a little more thought out and goes further than just spewing out insults you cant back up ... As for taking aim at the issues youve pointed out and your activism , you and the issues aren't important enough


Well then Anthony, I've shown you mine time to show me your's.

So what practical steps have you taken other than "spewing out insults", what marches have you been on and which groups do you / have you, belong to?


If you can keep it civil without throwing your usual insults i'll tell ya ... I don't belong to any groups , any political party , any movement or been on any marches and I cant see that changing any time soon
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Posted: 9 February 2019 11:07 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-09 11:04 AM
I don't belong to any groups , any political party , any movement or been on any marches and I cant see that changing any time soon


Me too!

But neither do I try to foist my own views onto other people or insist that I am right and they are wrong.

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Posted: 9 February 2019 11:12 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-09 11:04 AM

If you can keep it civil without throwing your usual insults i'll tell ya ... I don't belong to any groups , any political party , any movement or been on any marches and I cant see that changing any time soon


Oh so your "activism is confined to "spewing out insults" and spreading falsehoods, gaslighting minorities on the internet then?
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Posted: 9 February 2019 11:44 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-09 11:04 AM
I don't belong to any groups , any political party , any movement or been on any marches and I cant see that changing any time soon


Me too!

But neither do I try to foist my own views onto other people or insist that I am right and they are wrong.



Apart from supporting a fraudulent referendum in 2016 and resisting any efforts to allow democracy to rectify that fraud.
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Posted: 9 February 2019 11:54 AM
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How is Grayling still a minister?
How is Green still a “sir”?
How is May still prime minister?
How do the super-rich still cheat on their taxes with impunity?
How are newspapers still allowed to foment hatred?
How do we allow so many to go hungry and/or homeless in a rich country?
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Posted: 9 February 2019 11:56 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-09 11:04 AM

If you can keep it civil without throwing your usual insults i'll tell ya ... I don't belong to any groups , any political party , any movement or been on any marches and I cant see that changing any time soon


Oh so your "activism is confined to "spewing out insults" and spreading falsehoods, gaslighting minorities on the internet then?


"activism" ... What "activism" ??? What "insults and falsehoods" ??? and if you mean pointing out the lone white girl getting beaten up by a gang of non-whites then yes I suppose she was very much in the minority
Now im away for another gig later and a few beers and nice meal at Ginos but you keep posting to me and it'll give me sumat to do when I wake up tomorrow ... Your a lot of fun you are

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Posted: 9 February 2019 12:01 PM
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Fast Pat - 2019-02-09 11:54 AM

How is Grayling still a minister?
How is Green still a “sir”?
How is May still prime minister?
How do the super-rich still cheat on their taxes with impunity?
How are newspapers still allowed to foment hatred?
How do we allow so many to go hungry and/or homeless in a rich country?


Or allow anti-Semites to rule our opposition
Or allow terrorist lovers to rule our opposition
Or allow opposition members to be racist towards whites or tell young female victims of Muslim sex gangs to shut up
A few for you to be going at ... Have fun sweetheart
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Posted: 9 February 2019 12:09 PM
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Ever wondered what happened to Lansley who trashed the NHS?

Now comfortably in Lords and - uh - working for private health company

Everyday, banal, routine British elite corruption
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Posted: 9 February 2019 1:29 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-08 11:20 AM

Brexit is wrong it was won illegally promoted by a totally right wing press and Tory owned BBC...it is not possible to have considered discussion in relation to Brexit...where do you start....it was fraudulent and nothing can change that, it was won illegally.... the UK Government is corrupt .....the UK is fast becomming a dictatorship and the future is bleak...whatever the outcome of this particular corrupt event the UK will never be the same again. We know those who voted Brexit were lied to but sadly they know it now too but still support the corruption. Treaties and responsibilities are being broken without a thought for the consequences. The Tory Government are happily passing laws which result in the deaths of thousands of people in utter misery, poverty is rife....Victorian diseases realted to poverty have returned to the UK...homelessness is at an all time high with people in wheelchairs being made homeless and dying on the streets, the NHS is being totally destroyed to justify selling it off, hundreds of thousands of children are now living in poverty and temporary accommodation relying on food banks to stave off starvation, but the right wing press and the BBC remain stum......Democracy is dead and will remain so until some level honour is restored aided and a betted by an impartial media who will report the true state of affairs the country is now in.


Get over it ...........

We were lied to 40 odd years ago when we were told we could join a Common Market .........

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Posted: 9 February 2019 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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Fast Pat - 2019-02-09 11:54 AM

How is Grayling still a minister?
How is Green still a “sir”?
How is May still prime minister?
How do the super-rich still cheat on their taxes with impunity?
How are newspapers still allowed to foment hatred?
How do we allow so many to go hungry and/or homeless in a rich country?


How is a Communist the leader of the Labour party? ..........

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