monique.hubrechtsgm Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 How is that possible in two days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Not fully charged to begin with? Some people think they can start them on jump leads, give it a 4 mile run and its charged *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Motorhomes can be built on chassis that have been standing outside for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 When a new motor home is delivered it is expected that your dealer has done it. But its your responsibility to check out their history. in case of doubt there are many tools to find out. Normally show room will go in to rent or sale in case that model is no longer available from the factory. However the transit times of a new one can be very long and detrimental to the battery's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgnbuk Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 monique.hubrechts@gm - 2017-05-22 4:40 PM How is that possible in two days? I was in that situation on my last van. When I went through all the van documentation, I found that the chassis had been built in July 2011 (Fiat build and spec sheet), RollerTeam did the conversion November 2011 (Gas test printout in gas locker), but the van didn't come in to the UK until December 2012 (CoC). I took delivery March 2013 & the van struggled to start on the way home after filling up with diesel. The next weekend the battery was flat, so had to call Fiat Assist to get me started & follow me down to the local Fiat Professional depot, where a new (OE spec Fiamm) battery was fitted under warranty FOC. Standing around for 20 months from leaving the production line is obviously not good for the cab battery, but it was changed without any comment. No subsequent problems with that battery for the near 4 years I owned the van. My current Ford went through Chausson's works in December last year & was delivered to the dealer just before Christmas for pick-up March this year. As this is the new Euro 6 Transit, it would not have been hanging around for very long before Chausson did their bit, so this cab battery is very much newer than the last one & no problems with it so far (though after dealings with Ford over the injector issues, I doubt very much that they would have taken the same line with a battery problem that Fiat did !). Nigel B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 The PDI check sheet of a new van includes checking the date code of the battery and replacing it if its over a certain age. But how many dealers would do that if the battery appeared OK? Would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 In many motorhomes the batteries (starter and/or leisure) will be beneath cab seats and, when the seats have swivel mechanisms, accessing the batteries will normally require seat-removal. Even when a battery is accessible, it may not be possible to establish its date of manufacture without disconnecting it and, even if the battery is disconnected and physically removed from where it is housed, it may still not be practicable to obtain that datum if the battery manufacturer has ‘coded’ the information and the coding system is not known. Unless virtually nil effort is involved I doubt that any motorhome dealer will check the age of a new motorhome’s batteries as part of the PDI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Derek Uzzell - 2017-05-25 9:22 AM Unless virtually nil effort is involved I doubt that any motorhome dealer will check the age of a new motorhome’s batteries as part of the PDI. Especially when he can't claim the cost of a new battery from the manufacturer because its date code expired when he had it in stock :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted May 25, 2017 Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 Show me a PDI check sheet filled in by fiat - chassis- alko if ever and the final builder and the final dealer. PDI stands for: PRE- Delivery-Inspection. They should do but that is not exposed to the final user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted May 25, 2017 Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 And of course i have seen them from fiat- alko- burstner- dealer. But that is my hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 My understanding is that a motorhome manufacturer will anticipate (or even instruct) that a dealership will carry out a pre-delivery inspection (PDI) before a new motorhome is handed over to its buyer. However (at least in the UK) there is no legal requirement that a PDI be carried out, nor (if one is carried out) that documentation relating to it be standardised. This was discussed years ago in this forum thread http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Pre-Delivery-Inspection/2343/ Consequently, despite John52 saying earlier that "The PDI check sheet of a new van includes checking the date code of the battery and replacing it if its over a certain age”, as there’s no standardisation of a PDI check-sheet's format, a battery date-code check might appear on one dealership’s check-sheet but not on another. I’ve yet to see a motorhome PDI check-list that includes checking battery date-codes and replacing ‘over-age’ batteries, so it would be interesting to know which motorhomes (and/or dealerships) the check-sheets John52 mentions relate to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 It was even worse on this topic. I checked first where is loading lights of his solar loading box was located. But i could not find them. I asked do you have solar on the roof and he said yes. But their was not any panel. the dealer forget this order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 It was a integral class A motorhome pilote sensational. Whit space on the roof for it What a mismatch of the dealer. Any way a good lesson check the roof and the underside and ask some pictures to be sure that you have an alko chassis or not and that you roof airco is fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Derek Uzzell - 2017-05-26 7:58 AM My understanding is that a motorhome manufacturer will anticipate (or even instruct) that a dealership will carry out a pre-delivery inspection (PDI) before a new motorhome is handed over to its buyer. However (at least in the UK) there is no legal requirement that a PDI be carried out, nor (if one is carried out) that documentation relating to it be standardised. This was discussed years ago in this forum thread http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Pre-Delivery-Inspection/2343/ Consequently, despite John52 saying earlier that "The PDI check sheet of a new van includes checking the date code of the battery and replacing it if its over a certain age”, as there’s no standardisation of a PDI check-sheet's format, a battery date-code check might appear on one dealership’s check-sheet but not on another. I’ve yet to see a motorhome PDI check-list that includes checking battery date-codes and replacing ‘over-age’ batteries, so it would be interesting to know which motorhomes (and/or dealerships) the check-sheets John52 mentions relate to. It was the Citroen Dealership PDI check sheet for my Citroen Relay Van Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 OK, so Citroen dealerships apparently do this for new Relays, but that doesn’t mean Fiat dealerships do it for Ducatos, Ford dealerships do it for Transits, Mercedes dealerships do it for Sprinters, etc. Presumably the Citroen dealership told you that, if the starter-battery were found to be more than one year old, it would be replaced, or was there something on the PDI check-sheet to indicate this was standard practice? It’s the case nowadays that a motorhome’s base-vehicle will have been PDI-ed before it is delivered to a motorhome dealership, so there’s no real incentive for that dealership to check the age of the starter-battery before handing the vehicle over to a buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 My topic was the house cell battery which sit somewhere in battrey box, maybe room for more than one only. And some more equipment like the solar loading box. Here you can take real voltage readings It is a very important compartment. Have a look there regulary. Learn how to open it and closure. The same for the fiat battery. The other one will be full understanding of your electric diagram of fiat and the house diagram which are interconnected. If not you rely on others to keep you moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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