monique.hubrechtsgm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 In the netherlands there was a petion of about 150 motorhomers who had engine damage out of the warranty period. mostly broken pistons. They refuse to do anything and saying motorhomers overload their engine, and bad oil change, ANWB stripped the engines and find out that the injectors could be the problem. They send to Denso one of the makers to make pray test and theyfind one faulty. another tester find much more. There was also a motorhomer stalled in croatia. He had two options transfer or local repair by ford. They decide to replace the engine locally, but ford said that this engine will fall under croation warrantee rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcol Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Do you know which series of engines this referred too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deneb Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Likely to be the Ford/PSA 2.2 TDCi. It has a reputation for destroying pistons, ostensibly due to injector over-fuelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcol Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Thought it might be as the latest 2.0 Panther motor will still be under warranty. I hadn’t heard of the piston problem with the 2.2 Puma motor. I run a Transit van as part of my business and my Mk 7 did just under 100,000 when I traded it in for my current Transit Custom , which has done just over 50,000 to date. Both had the 2.2 and both were and have been faultless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallii Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Mines a Ford 2.2. I think, but do not know 100%, that Ford changed the software that is, or should be, installed at the time of a service. Part of this change was to address the over fuelling issue. When my software was updated there was a small but noticeable change in the rate of "pick up" of the engine, the full throttle output seems to be the same. If the software is not updated, usually because the person/garage doing routine servicing does not have the facilities, then the risk of engine malfunction must be higher. There are all sorts of "learns" "calibrations" and so on that can be done with software alone. Maybe it is best to keep up to date! H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Marcol - 2018-03-13 8:24 PM Thought it might be as the latest 2.0 Panther motor will still be under warranty. I hadn’t heard of the piston problem with the 2.2 Puma motor. I run a Transit van as part of my business and my Mk 7 did just under 100,000 when I traded it in for my current Transit Custom , which has done just over 50,000 to date. Both had the 2.2 and both were and have been faultless. Some light reading for you... https://tinyurl.com/ycsdrmls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Was it the injectors or not. Was it the ECU or not. What happens during forced regeneration of the PDf when more fuel is injected and what is the max temp at this exercise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcol Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Derek Uzzell - 2018-03-14 8:19 AM Marcol - 2018-03-13 8:24 PM Thought it might be as the latest 2.0 Panther motor will still be under warranty. I hadn’t heard of the piston problem with the 2.2 Puma motor. I run a Transit van as part of my business and my Mk 7 did just under 100,000 when I traded it in for my current Transit Custom , which has done just over 50,000 to date. Both had the 2.2 and both were and have been faultless. Some light reading for you... https://tinyurl.com/ycsdrmls That was back in 2016. I thought this was a recent thing because of the forum post. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Injector-related problems with the 2.2litre motor used in Transit and other makes were being mentioned well before 2016. In 2014, when I was toying with the idea of buying a Globecar (available outside the UK on a Fiat or Citroen base) I said to a French Globecar salesman that the Citroen version attracted me because it’s Ford-derived 2.2litre powerplant had a timing-chain. He replied “There have been reports of injector problems with that motor resulting in piston damage”. The ‘over fuelling’ problem is referred to here https://engineengineering.co.uk/start/reconditioned-engines-rebuilt:298/ford-reconditioned-engines:330/ford-duratorq-22l-tdci:1053/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 The dutch claim was not related to the present ford transit engine downsized to 2 ltr called Eco blue panther engine and coded ....? In case of 21 ltr water based ad blue tank it is extra 41 kg in weight than the euro 5+ That was the reason that fiat ducato have at present no ad blue.Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcol Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 To my mind and I know that manufacturers are being forced in to this. The engines are too complicated. You’ve got AdBlue this and EGR that , DPF’s and on and on. I know we’ve come a long way in terms of reliability and efficiency but does anyone else think we might have gone just that bit too far. The amount of recalls on all different manufacturers must be saying something about all the emission related problems with Diesels More manufacturers need to invest in hybrid technology. I drive a plug-in hybrid car and it’s a revelation in terms of emissions and fuel economy. How far are we away from a plug-in hybrid motorhome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 In 2016, when Ducato received Euro 6 powerplants, some of those motors had a selective catalyst reduction system needing AdBlue. These motors were available on people carriers. There’s Adblue-related informationadvice in the Owner Handbook for Euro 6 Ducatos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Not far Marcol the new mercedes sprinter is available in plug in hybrid, if suitable for a convertor who can make a CAD bodykit and tools. Every kitchen builder can do it, and i will add air suspension to the axles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 Derek there was pressure on fiat for motor home chassis to go that way. because of the extra weight and go for the not have solution for euro 6. however still complying. You can have the FIA in two versions but not for the RV. The seek for any milligrams. Instead of raising the b licence to 4000kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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