ColinM50 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Have you tried it? Wanted to remove my fresh water tank so set about jacking up the rear of my m/h and putting it on axle stands. Cor blimey, what a palaver. Tried using my 2 tonne trolley jack, no chance. Just wouldn't do it, couldn't get it positioned to be effective and be able to pump it up. So got out the Peugeot supplied jack and that was very tricky to get positioned and to get it working safely. So took the easy way out and poured some Puriclean in the tank rather than do the job properly. But it got me thinking. If i definitely positively had to jack it up, eg for a puncture, what's the best way to do it? Does the supplied jack actually work? It looks all a bit lightweight and dubious to me. So, anybody ever actually done it themselves rather than rely on AA/RAC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddies104 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Hi Could you of reversed onto ramps, may of given you a bit more room.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airstream Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I use a 12 ton low profile double action bottle jack Wheels are off/on for service and I rotate the wheels fronts to rear to even out the tyre wear Only used rwice for punctures once in Portugal with little chance of help and in the isle of man where I had it sorted in 30 mins and on our way Supplied jack is not safe for use on a fully loaded motorhome if fact the Fiat handbook states you need to unload the van before use Others may chance the fiat jack or use a recovery service Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myshell Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The scissor jack supplied by Peugeot are useless, when I tried to jack my van up the plastic case that houses the the roller bearings collapsed showering ball bearing all over, I bought a 3 Ton bottle jack instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicepix Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I tried out the bottle jack supplied with my Sprinter based van and struggled to get a front wheel off the ground. The main problem was access and getting a secure place. If I had a puncture on route I'd opt for the roadside assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 ColinM50 - 2019-04-19 9:00 AM ...Does the supplied jack actually work? It looks all a bit lightweight and dubious to me. So, anybody ever actually done it themselves rather than rely on AA/RAC? Assuming that your 2017 Peuegeot-based Elddis has the same tool-kit as my 2015 Fiat Ducato-based Rapido that has the scissor jack shown in this advert https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/391910362602?chn=ps I can confirm that the jack does ‘work’ OK. I use my jack annually to remove the Rapido’s wheels for cleaning and, although care (obviously) needs taking regarding safety, I’ve never had any real difficulty doing this. It’s worth adding perhaps that - for convenience - I use a ratchet-spanner and extensions to operate the jack, rather that the Fiat-supplied tool, but the jack itself has been able to handle the load. (I’ve also used the jack to raise deeply dug-in front wheels after I’d driven the Rapido on to soft ground a couple of years ago and that was definitely not a fun experience.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceM Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 ColinM50 - 2019-04-19 9:00 AM So got out the Peugeot supplied jack and that was very tricky to get positioned and to get it working safely. Having an older van on a Fiat chassis I have the benefit of a spare wheel and a standard heavy duty scissor jack to lift it. I use it annually to check the brakes etc and it carries out the lift with ease. My only addition is a lump of wood to spread the load under the jack in case of soft ground conditions. When I first got the van I purchased a 6 tonne bottle jack as a fall back but frankly I think that it’s dead weight so I’ll probably leave it at home in future. It’s interesting to note that your positioning of the jack was tricky. My chassis has specific jack points that the jack engages into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Very big difference in weight with trying to jack up the whole of the rear of the motorhome with just jacking up one wheel to replace punctured wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The current Boxer/Ducato chassis has four ‘turrets’ with a hole into which a short ‘stub’ on the top of the scissor-jack plugs, but it’s still necessary to position the jack so that, when extending, it goes up vertically. Changing a wheel using the standard scissor-jack (or any other jack for that matter) is best practised at home when there’s no hurry and potential problems can safely be identified. An emergency wheel-change with no previous experience of what’s involved invites disaster. (I’m not sure that there would be much difference weight-wise between jacking to raise a Boxer’s rear to fit axle-stands or changing the rear wheels, as in both cases it’s the chassis that’s jacked up. But the risks involved in having both wheels removed would be higher.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weldted Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Tool station do a 4 ton bottle jack which the screw extension fits in the hole in the centre of the jacking points. I use a 75 thick 150 mm square block of wood to get the height right works fine. I would not trust the supplied Jack that came with my Elddis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I use two 3 ton trolley jacks to lift either end of the van when working under it at home ,then support the van on two axle stands .I would never rely on the supplied scissor jack and would call the breakdown people out for a puncture on the road. Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don636 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I have used the supplied jack to remove the wheels for cleaning and painting suspension parts and it did the job but I was not happy so purchased a 3T low profile, high lift trolley jack which makes the job much easier. Not so sure Iwould be so happy to use the Fiat jack at the side of the road though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The jacking point on the rear of a fiat rear axle is very clear. But on the front are two holes, Only one is for the jack up. Stay away from this if you have not a technical base.And have a proper road support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevina Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I use the Fiat jack twice a year to fit and remove winter tyres/wheels on our 3.7t van. Been doing it for 8 years so that is proof that it is up to the job. The thread did once tear off some swarf which took a bit of running through to remove, ever since I've kept it well greased but still use the original though I now carry a new one in the van which I've once had to use in anger. I always double chock the opposite wheel and strap around them. If you have an Alko rear axle remember NOT to have the handbrake on when jacking the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejkay Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 kevina - 2019-04-19 11:53 PM If you have an Alko rear axle remember NOT to have the handbrake on when jacking the rear. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevina Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 mikejkay - 2019-04-20 11:46 AM kevina - 2019-04-19 11:53 PM If you have an Alko rear axle remember NOT to have the handbrake on when jacking the rear. Why? 1. It says so in the manual. 2. If you do accidentaly apply the handbrake then you will notice the vehicle begin to creep (forwards I think, by several centimetres thus inclining the jack) as the weight transfers to the opposite wheel. Something to do with the geometry of the trailing arm torsion bar and the handbrake design. You will also hear some unhealthy sounding "graunching" as you lower it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Details in attachments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-B Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Now I know the other reason I had levelling jacks fitted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Does the levelling system you had fitted to your motorhome (whatever make/model of motorhome it is!) have sufficient ‘lift’ to raise the vehicle high enough to allow its wheels to be changed without using a jack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinM50 Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 Thanks all for your recommendations and comments. I bought a 3tonne bottle jack from Screwfix for £17 and using a combination of this and my trolley jack can get the m/h up high enough to put some bricks under the axle or maybe I can fit some axle stands under too. Only want to lift one side so I can get at the bolts that hold the water tank on. But thanks again everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 ColinM50 - 2019-04-21 9:29 AM Thanks all for your recommendations and comments. I bought a 3tonne bottle jack from Screwfix for £17 and using a combination of this and my trolley jack can get the m/h up high enough to put some bricks under the axle or maybe I can fit some axle stands under too. Only want to lift one side so I can get at the bolts that hold the water tank on. But thanks again everybody. Please, please, please DO NOT use bricks or any other building blocks to support any vehicle you are working under! They have a very low crush weight and are liable to collapse at any moment with no warning. You absolutely MUST use proper axle stands rated for the weight they are supporting and suitably sited under the axle or chassis. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejkay Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Derek Uzzell - 2019-04-20 2:07 PM Details in attachments Many thanks :-D . Another case of RTFM (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejkay Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Having had the supplied scissor jack fall over when the van was struck by a strong gust of wind at just the wrong moment I now carry an 8 ton bottle jack and a 4 ton trolly jack as well as several thick pads of wood. The threaded rod on the scissor jack was bent at a right angle :-D. Fortunately, no damage to the vehicle as the wheel was still on. In the wilds of SW Ireland. A local farmer got me out of trouble with his trolley jack despite my being english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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