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userMelvin
Posted: 28 February 2009 12:18 PM
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My van is booked in for engine mounts on Monday, I thought its about time I tried my van up a step gradient, however, locally were I live, we do not have what you would call very step gradients.

My van is a Autotrail Cheynne 660 on a Maxi 40 chassis, 2.3 engine 6 speed box with the higher first and reverse gear than the 3 litre. At time of test the van is empty. Maximum torque produced 2000 rpm as opposed to 1700 rpm on the 3 litre.

I tried a forward hill start, due the high first gear, I had to use high revs and slip the clutch, I tried it with low revs and slip the clutch it shuddered and stalled, I tried low revs and not released the clutch it stalled dead.

Now I tried revs low revs and slip the clutch, severe vibration, increased the revs to 2000 +, still vibrating like hell. Tried Fiats 1300 rpm + vibrates like hell engine bogged down.

I actually need a low First gear more in line with that fitted to the 3 litre ( which produced significantly more torque than the 2.3) , my reverse gear is much higher than first, I am not suprised it cannot cope. And owe yes my clutch has now cooled down.



userBrambles
Posted: 28 February 2009 2:58 PM
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Maybe after Andy's latest comments re Peugeot 6 speed gearbox you
might want to consider Peugeot again, if it was judder which knocked it
off the list.
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Posted: 28 February 2009 3:00 PM
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Stupid page has locked again and requires rolling over. Which this post has made it do.
(edit - **************)

Andy, I think maybe you need to consider maybe starting a new thread,
I know it is nice to see the total number grow on this one, but its
beginning to get too wide for some peeps depending on their screen size
and they will need to scroll across to see the full text width.
Jon.

Edited by Brambles 2009-02-28 3:06 PM
userMel B
Posted: 28 February 2009 4:56 PM
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Andy - a suggestion if you want to start a 'new' thread due to the size of this getting so big.

Why not put a link to this thread in your 'signature' that way if anyone wants to read it they can do so and it won't be lost forever. It will then allow a new more manageable sized thread to be used instead.

I would do it myself but as I don't have a judderer (thank goodness!) I don't feel 'qualified'.
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Posted: 1 March 2009 9:01 AM
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I'm not sure I understand that (being a bit thick where computers are concerned) but I'll sit down later and write out a fresh start.
Meanwhile has anyone downloaded all this? I now (hopefully I'm wrong) suspect we are headed for a courtroom at some stage.
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Posted: 1 March 2009 12:48 PM
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Andy

Now that would be a good one for the media.

Customers complaining, whatever next !
userrolandrat
Posted: 1 March 2009 3:40 PM
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Melvin,
What response did you get from Autotrail or the dealer you bought your Cheyenne 660 from, I assume you have been in touch with them about your juddering transmission? Which dealer did you buy it from? I am also interested in your comments about the 3ltr gearbox having lower ratios than your 2.3ltr, where have you got the information from as it will help me with my inpending purchase of a 3ltr Autotrail from Richard Baldwins.
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Posted: 1 March 2009 4:05 PM
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rolandrat - 2009-03-01 3:40 PM

Melvin,
What response did you get from Autotrail or the dealer you bought your Cheyenne 660 from, I assume you have been in touch with them about your juddering transmission? Which dealer did you buy it from? I am also interested in your comments about the 3ltr gearbox having lower ratios than your 2.3ltr, where have you got the information from as it will help me with my inpending purchase of a 3ltr Autotrail from Richard Baldwins.


Nooooo My 3ltr Autotrail Scout with only 200mls Juddered reversing onto a campsite and cooked the clutch.
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Posted: 1 March 2009 4:21 PM
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yeti,
whats been happening so far with your juddering problem, have you been offered a solution to put it right. Are you a member of the Autotrail owners club and if so will you be going on the factory visit in April to confront them?
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Posted: 1 March 2009 4:40 PM
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Rolandrat,

Both Autotrail and the dealer Don Amott denied any knowledge of the problem, when I reported my van they said this is the first they have heard of it. And yes they were not the slightest bit intrested. Once they have your money you are on your own. I strongly recommend you listen the sound advice being given on this site, if I knew what I know now, I would have not brought a Fiat.
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Posted: 1 March 2009 4:41 PM
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Because of technical problems on this thread can everyone start using the other one I started today.
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Posted: 1 March 2009 5:07 PM
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rolandrat - 2009-03-01 4:21 PM

yeti,
whats been happening so far with your juddering problem, have you been offered a solution to put it right. Are you a member of the Autotrail owners club and if so will you be going on the factory visit in April to confront them?

Roland,
I am on Fiats list spoke to Fiat at the show in October clutch replaced together with a complete raft of recalls,they prefer to call them campaigns, which the garage who did the PDI should have been aware,it include water ingress.
I think the club's hands are tied although my wife did make very strong representation to one of AT seniors.
Camper assist was a farce.
A great shame as my version is a fabulous conversion.
userMotorhomeViews
Posted: 1 March 2009 6:02 PM
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Andy

Which other one is that?

If you're still looking for batch mail forwarding and using either Microsoft word 2003 or outlook 2003 this is the link to a smal training file on the microsoft website.
http://office.microsoft.com/training/training.aspx?AssetID=RC011205671033

Good luck

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Posted: 1 March 2009 8:02 PM
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NOW GO TO THE THREAD THAT STARTS

FIAT/PEGEOT/CITRUN TRANSMISSION FAULT

us is now closed yer. goodnite all.

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userBrambles
Posted: 1 March 2009 9:18 PM
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This is a link to the new thread.
Basically Andy has started a new thread as this one is getting too
wide for some viewers computer screens and is a pain to scroll sideways.
Also every time a new page is rolled over the thread appears to lock.

New Thread.
http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14995&posts=10
userLosos
Posted: 1 March 2009 9:29 PM
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Melvin - 2009-03-01 5:40 PM Rolandrat, Both Autotrail and the dealer Don Amott denied any knowledge of the problem, when I reported my van they said this is the first they have heard of it. And yes they were not the slightest bit intrested. Once they have your money you are on your own. I strongly recommend you listen the sound advice being given on this site, if I knew what I know now, I would have not brought a Fiat.

Well, I've never considered myself a particularly lucky person but I'm sure glad I've not yet invested in a MH

I was also told by one firm that they had never heard of the problem. I find that very hard to believe, and will not be using them even 'tho they have Merc. & VW listed as alternatives they quoted an incredibly long delivery time.

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Posted: 25 July 2009 3:34 PM
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However Fiat and Peugeot are concerned enough (even about the 5 speed box) that a modified version will be in production in about 5 weeks time.
Peugeot tell us that the modified 6 speed gearbox is now in production and is being fitted to ALL the vehicles coming out of the Sevel factory, no matter what badge is on them.

Re: Andy Stotherts comments above - for those of us who are contemplating buying a new motorhome does anyone know how you can tell whether the modified gearbox has been fitted, eg chassis number?

Cheers, Jim
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