gp1 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Hi ive got the one end attached to the tap fine. But the end that goes into m/h wont go. Dont want to take the bit off the end incase i cant get it back on again. Its not fitting inside the hole. I could pass it through window and get partner to help or is there a more sane alternative? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Is the filler point internal or external and what dooes it look like. Most vans have a sane filler but some suffer from insane designers specifying insane fillers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanb Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 gp1 - 2018-07-16 4:36 PM Hi ive got the one end attached to the tap fine. But the end that goes into m/h wont go. Dont want to take the bit off the end incase i cant get it back on again. Its not fitting inside the hole. I could pass it through window and get partner to help or is there a more sane alternative? Cheers. I thought that that filling the tank was discussed in the following previous thread started by you. http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/how-do-you-feed-water-into-motorhome-thru-hosepipe-/49599/ Perhaps you found the solutions kindly offered by Forum members unacceptable? Further I note that you have been using your motor home, so how have you managed until now? Hozelock style connectors usually secure the hose by means of a set of plastic fingers, which are pressed against the outside of the hose by the screw on clamping nut at the hose end of the fitting. Assuming that its your hose, simply unscrew the clamping nut and pull the hose off the fitting spigot. If your hose is not dedicated to your MH, you may wish to try the following method which requires a double male hose connector, and a short length, about 50cms, of 12mm pvc hose, preferably not reinforced. Work one end of the hose over one enf of the connector. (Warming the hose in hot water may make this easier.) With this DIY adapter you can now connect the appropriate end to the hose, and work the free end well into the MH inlet. Be careful to regulate the supply so that the hose does not come out. This method works even if your hose has a water stop fitting at the free end. Alan . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 It depends what the "bit on the end” is... If the hose you have has ‘Hozelock-type'’ end-fittings like those in the 1st attached photo, it should not be expected that the fitting will go into a motorhome’s normal filling-point as the fitting's diameter will be too large. To address this issue, you’d either have to remove the hose’s end-fitting or (as I’m guessing many people will do) DIY an extension similar to that shown in the 2nd photo (and as Alan describes). Or you could buy one of the modified filler caps of the type shown here http://www.campervanstuff.com/shop_stuff/index.php?mod=product&id_prd=1410 that I think you were considering purchasing some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 Thankyou yes i bought the universal fit kit from tbe caravan shop glasgow. It fits everything except my m/h. Shall i just pass it thru window with partner on tap end? Nothing about motorhomes is straightforward its a marathon to achieve the simplest thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cattwg Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 gp1 - 2018-07-16 8:04 PM Nothing about motorhomes is straightforward its a marathon to achieve the simplest thing. I simply cannot agree with this statement. From experience, compared with other types of camping I find using a motorhome, by far the least hassle. Again, from experience I find that all associated problems/idiosyncrasies can be overcome with a little thought and imagination. Cattwg :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Cattwg - 2018-07-16 9:05 PM gp1 - 2018-07-16 8:04 PM Nothing about motorhomes is straightforward its a marathon to achieve the simplest thing. I simply cannot agree with this statement. From experience, compared with other types of camping I find using a motorhome, by far the least hassle. Again, from experience I find that all associated problems/idiosyncrasies can be overcome with a little thought and imagination. Cattwg :-D Having motorhomed for over fifty years I agree with Cattwg - it just takes a little patience, common sense and and thought, often lateral it must be said, to sort out most issues and when I started there was nobody to ask, no internet to look at for solutions, no forums to ask, rarely a manual or useful handbook, so I like so many of my era learnt quick and we learnt well! Accepted vans were less complex in them days but the basics of water and gas have hardly changed in 50 years! We were a hardy bunch back then carrying loadsa spares, a huge toolkit , and being ready to tackle almost any repair or help others in difficulty either on site or roadside. Breakdown recovery or garage repairs were far too expensive for many of us to even contemplate but every now and then a complete fortnight could be taken without anything breaking - if we were lucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laimeduck Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 gp1 - 2018-07-16 8:04 PMThankyou yes i bought the universal fit kit from tbe caravan shop glasgow. It fits everything except my m/h. Shall i just pass it thru window with partner on tap end? Nothing about motorhomes is straightforward its a marathon to achieve the simplest thing. GP1 .... with the questions you have been asking I would seriously consider if camping or motorhoming is really for you? Everyday practical things obviously cause you problems and if I were you I would simply book into a hotel or B & B or rental cottage & enjoy life rather than go from one crisis to another. Sorry but there some as 'ave it & others who never will! Life is simply too short! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 Yes but it could be a generational thing. I can remember my dad draining the radiators at home. Ive never owned a home and have never done any repairs on a home or a car. I cant even wire a plug. Many people are like this. I can kind of add bits to a computer. I think when computers came along lots changed. It was a change from living in the real world to living in virtual world. Im also jinxed. How can everyone else get water into their van and work their gas cooker and not me? Ive tried everything and taken it to proffessionals and paid alot of money to get it working. Cant even post a picture of it on here. For the fourth of fifth time ive got a fridge full of food that we cant eat. Its driving me insane and im very unhappy. I think whoever designed the physical world (including routes and road signs) is a complete idiot. That goes for my satnav which constantly resets itself every time i stop for petrol and turn engine off. Guess i will just have to plod round the campsite tomorrow asking everyone if theyve got this and that and if they know how this or that works. Its a very demeaning excersise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 Well why didnt they put the extra little length of hose pipe in with the kit so it could have actually been usefull? It seems barmy. Its got all the attatchements you might need if your a waterhog user (caravan) but if youre a motorhome user you might as well forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 Plus with a young baby to look after you try making motorhoming a perfectly frictionless endeavour. that is why women dont tend to make as much money as men or have careers that are as successfull because theyve got a demanding little person constantly requiring their attention and you cant leave them on their own for a minuite! Like most of us i bet our parents were going through untold mental stress trying to bring us up and trying to do all the other stuff so we kids could be having a nice time. Dont need fecetious remarks from concieted smug individuals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 Tried to edit that last comment. It let me but by the time id written it my half hour was up so it stopped letting me. Stupid misleading system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeco Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Hi GP1, trying to make sense out of all of this. You are obviously very frustrated with your situation. My thoughts; if you do not have or unable to make a hose extension like the one posted by Derek then may be the one you used to fill the tank on your caravan will work. Caravan & MH tank fillers here are basically the same animal. If you successfully filled your caravan tank then you should be able to use the same system. As an aside a hose connection to allow you to connect to a mains water tap is standard equipment here. I had to have one fitted to our Auto-trail when we took delivery. We mainly use caravan parks and all powered sites have a mains water supply tap.Maybe that could be a backup for you GP1. Most of us have been sleep deprived by our kids as babies and often by our grandkids as well. You have the second lot (your kids kids) to look forward to at some time in the future. Good luck with your problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Geeco - 2018-07-17 3:48 AM Hi GP1, trying to make sense out of all of this. You are obviously very frustrated with your situation. My thoughts; if you do not have or unable to make a hose extension like the one posted by Derek then may be the one you used to fill the tank on your caravan will work... Many of gp1’s problems stem from him (apparently) having no caravanning experience to draw on - though he has said that he owns a VW-based ‘camper’ that (presumably) has minimal habitation-related equipment and no on-board water tank. It’s not always possible to remove the end-connectors from a hose (eg. the connectors are usually permanently fixed to fabric-based cassetted flat hoses) but if a connector is removable and is preventing the hose from being inserted into a motorhome’s fresh-water filling-point, removing the connector from the hose will allow the hose to be inserted and the motorhome’s fresh-water tank to be filled. If end-connectors cannot be removed from a hose, then specialised filler caps (mentioned above) are available to simplify filling. Alternatively it’s not difficult to DIY an extension (example photo in my last posting) that will go into the filling-point. All that’s needed are an ordinary hose-connector, a double male connector (photos attached) and a short length of suitable hose. Some motorhomes have a ‘caravan type’ water-filling system, but generally they just have a filling-point comprising a hole in the bodywork with a screw-in cap, and for filling the water tank a hose is inserted into the filling-point’s hole. Within the UK campsite taps sutiable for attaching a hose to are pretty much standardised, but that’s less the case in other counties. This soon becomes apparent when motorcaravanners travel abroad and the final two attached photos show the water-filling kit a couple of forum-members have said they carried with them. Regarding the forum’s 30-minute period within which a poster can edit his/her contribution, if no such cut-off were present everybody could rewrite their postings indefinitely. Whether removal of the 30-minute limit would be harmful is anybody’s guess, but it’s a fact of life and just has to be lived with. (That’s unless one is a forum moderator, when the moderator can edit/delete his/her own postings and the postings of everybody else with absolutely no time-limit applying.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalange Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 gp1 - 2018-07-16 11:08 PM Dont need fecetious remarks from concieted smug individuals it's facetious and conceited, i before e except after c *-) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 gp1 - 2018-07-16 11:46 PM Tried to edit that last comment. It let me but by the time id written it my half hour was up so it stopped letting me. Stupid misleading system. The whole world is stupid and misleading - get used to it! The half hour rule seems sensible to me and it has never given me, or most of us, any problem on what is after all a totally FREE forum packed full of sincere and sometimes even helpful experienced motorhomers. You get out what you put in and displays of petulance will endear you to nobody. If you don't like it please feel free not to ask any more questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 GB1 in Derek's 3rd photo showing various fittings, in the middle is a grey/green hoselock (or similar) nozzle which fits the hose connector. It can be turned on & off &will fit in the water tank filler. When you have filled your tank, simply pull out & turn to the off position will stop water spraying everywhere whilst you go to turn the mains tank off They are available at most garden centres or DIY store for £2 or 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Wow thanks gary yes i am dreading the second wave of little people coming but hopefully a long way off yet. Yes its a motorhome. I did put some bottled water in the water tank a while back just to clean it with some steriliser but thats as far as i got. As you say were on site with water and showers an baby is living it up withmeals in restaurant. Also partner had a nice meal. I ended up with half a vege lasagne which was nice. I got one of those bbq tin trays from tescos for 2 pounds and partner got that going and the vege sausages werent bad. I didnt touch the prawns. I dont think it was very hot though. Tomorrow were getting a bag of charcoal and using a kind of bbq ' crib' type thing which i spotted on site. Im going to drag it over to our pitch. Then we can cook food properly. Yes i think i mentally distanced myself from my problems today and just put them to one side which was the most sensible thing. Van is going back to caravan shop for a check on monday so hopefully they can sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Yes thanks derek the male to male hose connector came with the kit. Only problem is finding a bit of hose with food standard safety on it which wont be possible. I think its the non removable kind the the bits on the end. I think i could send away for just a length of food standard hose which is quite cheap. Rather than ruin the one ive got by chopping the end off. Plus the kit has metric and imperial adapters for mains water so its a start. Im sure its the beginning of a collection of bits and pieces which will come in handy depending on the situation. I think even though the caravan shop (glasgow) has a wide selection on stuff there wasnt really a clear alternative to the one i bought. I guess for some people it might take a whole summer to equip themselves fully but at least (as with the gas bottle fiasco) by being presented with problems it is possible to learn more than would otherwise. I have learnt alot about gas bottles over the last few months and now know a little bit about hosepipes. Thanks very much. P.s. yes got a camper and it does have water tank but ive never used it. Just drink bottled water. But with my knowledge of hosepipes now i will get it going and clean out the tank. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 gp1 - 2018-07-17 11:51 PM Yes thanks derek the male to male hose connector came with the kit. Only problem is finding a bit of hose with food standard safety on it which wont be possible. I think its the non removable kind the the bits on the end. I think i could send away for just a length of food standard hose which is quite cheap. Rather than ruin the one ive got by chopping the end off. Plus the kit has metric and imperial adapters for mains water so its a start... There are lots of on-line adverts for 'food qrade’ hose and it can be obtained in short lenguths. Making up an extension that will go into your motorhome’s filling-point would be the most satisfactory (and cheapest) approach - you certainly don’t want to be running a water hose into the tank through a window or door.. When an outdoor water tap has a threaded outlet, this will usually be 3/4" BSP size, though taps with 1” BSP or 1/2 BSP outlets will occasionally be encountered. This convention applies abroad as well as in the UK. Single or multi-part hose connectors are marketed for outdoor taps (example on following link) but I’ve yet to come across a tap with a metric connector. https://www.hozelock.com/our-products/watering/fittings-and-connectors-watering/tap-connectors/34-12-outdoor-tap-connector/ Food grade braided hose is often stocked by motorhome/caravan dealers as it’s commonly used in leisure-vehicle water systems, so obtaining (scrounging) a short length should be easy enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Lots of motorhomers use ordinary garden hose rather than special food grade piping and survive, as i did for many years before coming across a reel of non-collapsing blue tubing which has become my favourite.The really important thing is to always (but always) use your own hose, not some hosepipe which happens to be already attached to a tap, which might have been used for anything and everything before you get to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 StuartO - 2018-07-18 9:26 AM Lots of motorhomers use ordinary garden hose rather than special food grade piping and survive, as i did for many years. So did we for over fifty years and I am still as sane as the man in the moon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Yes thanks tracker for concurring with me that the world is mad. Sometimes i feel ive got nearer to feeling less out of step but then the world goes and gets a bit madder and im back where i started. Mind you think motorhoming has made me think people are more friendly than i used to think. And there are a far greater proportion of sensible people on sites than you would find in the city. Yes we went to an organic garden today where there were thousands of miles of hosepipe and i got a bit with the bit on the end. This place was the most sane place ive ever been in there were poly tunnels growing veg and solar power. The only people there (working hard) seemed to be people who did not fit into society or who had been excluded fromsociety such as kids with problems and autistic people and those people who are born with those big eyes like the kid who works at roys in coronation street. So i guess i was feeling really lucky to be there as most of these kids cant have relationships let alone children of there own. Spent most of my life thinking how hard done by i am and why am i so unfortunate but really im not. Anyway its all bonkers cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp1 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Yes might use the bit of hose i was given just to flush out the van. Going to wash it tomorrow been a very nice holiday supposed to be hot tomorrow so will be good. Think partner is getting more into the hobby think having somewhere to have a rant is very healthy. She certainly appreciates my new more laid back attitude! P.s. having a hosepipe and a mains tap is usefull for washing vans so im pleased i can do that - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin1946 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I hope you got the water in the tank,I have a Elddis which has a similar issue I just cut the end off the hose with a Stanley blade and the hose pushes in, no need to add bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.