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The EU vote
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userpelmetman
Posted: 26 May 2016 10:04 AM
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Muswell - 2016-05-26 9:49 AM

Keith T - 2016-05-26 9:16 AM

One can only hope the continual scaremongering and plucking figures out of nowhere to support his current arguments will actually be a positive for making people vote OUT.


One can only hope that Farage knows more about economics than the Bank of England, IMF and IFS.


No doubt he's got just as much chance of guessing what will happen......given those august bodies penchant for getting it wrong .......

Remember what they said would happen when were forced out of the ERM? .....



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Posted: 28 May 2016 6:32 AM
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See no one tells you what the hidden agendas are.A. lot of this hinges on how we feel a out Russia.Nigel Farrage feels we should be a lot friendlier as we share more values with Russia than say some middle eastern countries.America wants a strong fence of pro America countries around Russia and has nuclear missiles bases in at least one of them Romania.A lot of things and interests are going on that we are completely unaware of.
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Posted: 29 May 2016 7:15 AM
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Hi,

Assume that anyone giving advice will be doing it for selfish reasons.

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userKnaus
Posted: 31 May 2016 3:07 PM
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It would be great to see a list of all the laws that Brussels have imposed on us since we joined the EU.
userpelmetman
Posted: 1 June 2016 7:00 PM
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Just watched the "Stronger in Europe" referendum broadcast...........curiously there was no mention of migration..........

I wonder why that would be? ........

userKeithR
Posted: 6 June 2016 4:20 PM
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I would imagine that mr Cameron, now he is soon retiring, will be looking forward to a well paid, powerful position, in the European parliament? could that be why he is manically pro EEC? if we came out, come the general election he'd have to find a job!
USSR broke up, Yugoslavia broke up, Scotland and wales want independence, so how does that tie in with bigger is better ?
i don't think the EEC would NOT allow us back in if we came out and it didn't work. theyre desperate for power, its even caused a war in Europe, when Ukraine wanted in and Russia thought no. AND turkey is not really Europe, is it (only a liitle bit).
i like visiting countries cos theyre different. i want them to stay that way (at least til ive been there!!!!).
i heard mr Cameron say that we would lose the protection of the labour laws (etc) if we left. does that mean his government cant be trusted? will they repeal our labour laws??? his plan is working, there are a lot of people out there who are unsure, so will vote stay.
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Posted: 6 June 2016 4:43 PM
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KeithR - 2016-06-06 4:20 PM

i heard mr Cameron say that we would lose the protection of the labour laws (etc) if we left. does that mean his government cant be trusted? will they repeal our labour laws??? his plan is working, there are a lot of people out there who are unsure, so will vote stay.


Yeah, I thought that was a pretty damning indictment of our political parties too ..........

Its like them saying "stay in the EU because we can't be trusted"........

But unlike the EU............ we can vote them out .......



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Posted: 6 June 2016 8:19 PM
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pelmetman - 2016-06-06 4:43 PM


Yeah, I thought that was a pretty damning indictment of our political parties too ..........

Its like them saying "stay in the EU because we can't be trusted"........

But unlike the EU............ we can vote them out .......




Well 60 percent of the electorate tried to vote the Tories out last year, but they are still there, with a bigger majority of seats - so voting them out is not that easy.

Quite a bit like the EU really.



Edited by malc d 2016-06-06 8:20 PM
userpelmetman
Posted: 6 June 2016 8:48 PM
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malc d - 2016-06-06 8:19 PM

pelmetman - 2016-06-06 4:43 PM


Yeah, I thought that was a pretty damning indictment of our political parties too ..........

Its like them saying "stay in the EU because we can't be trusted"........

But unlike the EU............ we can vote them out .......




Well 60 percent of the electorate tried to vote the Tories out last year, but they are still there, with a bigger majority of seats - so voting them out is not that easy.

Quite a bit like the EU really.



If this referendums done anything, its made people get involved, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a record turnout on the 23rd ..........

userW3526602
Posted: 6 June 2016 9:27 PM
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Hi,

The question is simply IN or OUT. But is there something in the small print, like .... X% of those entitled to vote must vote, else it's a nil contest?.

I'm still expecting some concessions to be offered by the "elite" states.

I'm still in favour of "No trade barriers", and "Free Movement", but no rights to stay or claim. ... sort of what we voted for in the first place.

I wonder how many people who voted against having an Identity Card, will now vote to remain ... and pay for a passport. I think Google said a French identity card cost €20.

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Posted: 7 June 2016 7:32 PM
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Hi,

Our Glorious Leader went to Brussels to negotiate a better deal for the UK ... which might suggest that the present deal was not very good.

He promised us a referendum after his triumphant return.

His return was not particularly triumphant, but he now tells us that the original deal was the best thing since canned beer, and seems to suggest that a referendum was not a good idea.

Everybody seems to be concentrating on the "Free Trade" element .... which is not the bit that most of us want changed.

I suggest that the Remain Camp would be happy if atlases were redrawn ... with Great Britain changed to Little Europe. Maybe we should sell shares to France and Germany. Scotland and France were always friends, The Welsh were not friends with anybody, as far as I can make out. And the Irish seem to related to most Americans. England and Spain were always friends, but I have heard that the Dutch are buying up large areas of Spain, in preparation for the sea reclaiming Holland.

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usermarcismum
Posted: 20 June 2016 8:38 PM
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This thread seems to have died a death and yet so much has happened since the last posti on here.

Sadly the death of Jo Cox is a big landmark. Both sides using her death to their own advantage.
Perosnally I think the whole referendum should have been postponed for six months following Ms Cox's sad demise due to the undue influence it would have on peoples decisons and voting preference.

What do people think? Were any of you out voters and have now decided to vote stay or vice versa? Did you still have to make up your mind and have the events of last Thursday when Ms Cox was attacked influenced your decision? Do you feel you have enough facts to make a good rounded judgement?

Anyone like to comment?
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Posted: 20 June 2016 8:48 PM
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marcismum - 2016-06-20 8:38 PM

This thread seems to have died a death and yet so much has happened since the last posti on here.

Sadly the death of Jo Cox is a big landmark. Both sides using her death to their own advantage.
Perosnally I think the whole referendum should have been postponed for six months following Ms Cox's sad demise due to the undue influence it would have on peoples decisons and voting preference.

What do people think? Were any of you out voters and have now decided to vote stay or vice versa? Did you still have to make up your mind and have the events of last Thursday when Ms Cox was attacked influenced your decision? Do you feel you have enough facts to make a good rounded judgement?

Anyone like to comment?


The actions of a lunatic shouldn't be allowed to pervert the result, but its clear the Remain camp are doing their not so subtle best to tar all leaver's with the same brush .........



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Posted: 25 June 2016 3:29 PM
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Yesterday, it was decided. Goodbye to EU.

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Posted: 25 June 2016 4:11 PM
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tonyg3nwl - 2016-06-25 3:29 PM

Yesterday, it was decided. Goodbye to EU.

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userPJay
Posted: 26 June 2016 11:41 AM
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pelmetman - 2016-06-25 4:11 PM

tonyg3nwl - 2016-06-25 3:29 PM

Yesterday, it was decided. Goodbye to EU.

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Posted: 22 July 2016 5:07 PM
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One month on and they are still dragging their feet. Our new leader says that she wont press the OUT button this year, and it will then take a minimum of 2 years to sort out the tangled mess.

personally, I beleive that the politicians will find that they cant/wont/ make a decision, and the advisors will always find another "ah , but you cant exactly do that , because,".... remember the programme Yes Minister,

there was always a snag..

second referendum, scotland wants in, etc.

question?. Will we be in or out in 5 years time..answers on a postcard please to the lady in charge .

I predict "THEY"will find a fudged compromise .. any bets?

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Posted: 23 July 2016 6:09 PM
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tonyg3nwl - 2016-07-22 5:07 PM


question?. Will we be in or out in 5 years time..answers on a postcard please to the lady in charge .

I predict "THEY"will find a fudged compromise .. any bets?

Tonyg3nwl



My prediction is that it will all become so complex that in 10 years time no-one will be able to agree whether or not we have left.

The essence of good political negotiation is to give everyone the impression that they have won.

userBohemiVan
Posted: 8 August 2017 2:23 AM
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Resourceful, creative and switched on people tend to twig when something's trying hoodwink them into a controlling situation and quickly give them the middle finger.

userW3526602
Posted: 29 November 2017 5:25 PM
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Hi,

The EU want a soft border between Northern and Southern Ireland. Sounds good to me, I can take the camper across to Northern Ireland, the drive South, tour Southern Ireland.

And while passing a ferry port, and seeing as how I'm now in an EU state, what is to stop me catching a ferry to our next nearest EU state?

Sounds like a contrived and long winded, but soft, route between UK and anywhere in the EU mainland.

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W3526602 - 2017-11-29 5:25 PM

Hi,

The EU want a soft border between Northern and Southern Ireland. Sounds good to me, I can take the camper across to Northern Ireland, the drive South, tour Southern Ireland.

And while passing a ferry port, and seeing as how I'm now in an EU state, what is to stop me catching a ferry to our next nearest EU state?

Sounds like a contrived and long winded, but soft, route between UK and anywhere in the EU mainland.

602


And that's the problem, it works the other way also.

Dave
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Posted: 5 December 2017 8:10 PM
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Hi Dave,

I don't think I'm alone in regarding the line between Northern and Southern Ireland as the "Irish Border". Wrong ... it's the EU border with the UK. Southern Ireland is EU.

We don't want a hard border. The EU don't want a hard border ... but THEY, a foreign country, are demanding that we, a sovereign state, present plans for THEM to control THEIR border.

The EU, Scotland, Northern and Southern Ireland, Labour, Lib Dems, et al, are giving Mrs May stick for not being able to "organise a piss up in a brewery", when it's them who don't offer any guidance about what they want to drink.

Don't they realise that in the election after Brexit, THEY might be the parties that have to sort THEIR mess out.

I voted leave because I wanted OUT. As far as I'm concerned, a good deal, or a bad deal, or no deal, are all better than staying in. The worst scenario is where we have to go to Brussels, cap in hand, eyes downcast .... "Please Sir ... can we have some more?"

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W3526602 - 2017-12-05 8:10 PM

Hi Dave,

1 I don't think I'm alone in regarding the line between Northern and Southern Ireland as the "Irish Border". Wrong ... it's the EU border with the UK. Southern Ireland is EU.

2 We don't want a hard border. The EU don't want a hard border ... but THEY, a foreign country, are demanding that we, a sovereign state, present plans for THEM to control THEIR border.

3 The EU, Scotland, Northern and Southern Ireland, Labour, Lib Dems, et al, are giving Mrs May stick for not being able to "organise a piss up in a brewery", when it's them who don't offer any guidance about what they want to drink.

4 Don't they realise that in the election after Brexit, THEY might be the parties that have to sort THEIR mess out.

5 I voted leave because I wanted OUT. As far as I'm concerned, a good deal, or a bad deal, or no deal, are all better than staying in. The worst scenario is where we have to go to Brussels, cap in hand, eyes downcast .... "Please Sir ... can we have some more?"

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1 It is not the EU border at present, it is a border between a part of the UK and the Republic of Ireland, and there are minimal checks on certain goods crossing only. There are no checks on people. There are tax differences between UK and Ireland, and these are catered for within existing Irish/UK agreements. If/when we leave the EU it will become the UK's only land border with the EU. At that point, as has long been stated, the present arrangements can't be adopted because the legal status of the border will have changed.

2 We (the UK) are pretending we can have a non existant border with the EU. This is the same border as we have with any EU state. The fact that we can just drive across doesn't alter its status. Do you envisage free and unfettered entry to France, Spain, the Netherlands, or wherever, as well as to Ireland? How will that work? What we "want" is immaterial, we have (apparently) voted for what we want, and some of us are belatedly waking up to the reality of what that means, while others are saying "told you so".

2/3/4 Who is it that you are describing as THEM? It seems to be somewhere between the whole of the EU and various single UK political parties. Whose is the mess? Does the same mess exist now, while we remain in the EU? It seems to me the mess only exists if we leave. That seems to me to suggest that it is our decision to leave that has caused the mess, and may well have something to do with the "stick" the government is getting for being incapable of describing what it wants.

5 Then, you are entitled to your opinion. That's fine, but you should then also be prepared to accept all the consequences of having exercised it. At present you seem to be saying you want only the good (in your opinion) consequences, but don't want the (in your opinion) bad consequences: the resulting mess. Can't have it both ways, can you? You get the whole deal, or none of the deal. That's how it works.
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Posted: 7 December 2017 10:13 AM
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<<< At present you seem to be saying you want only the good (in your opinion) consequences, but don't want the (in your opinion) bad consequences: >>>

Hi Brian,

I don't think I said that. I voted to leave, and and anticipated what I would regard as a Hard Brexit.

Article 50 says we must negotiate with the EU. The EU's idea of negotiating is to insult and threaten us, and then say they want more. We ask them to justify nebulous figure that they want, but either they won't, or they can't.

The UK does NOT want a hard border with Southern Ireland. The UK does NOT want a hard border with Mainland Europe.

The EU does NOT want a hard border with Northern Ireland. The EU DOES want a hard border with mainland UK.

The EU DOES have hard borders between member states ... but they usually leave the doors open.

Who is doing the "cherry picking?"

Why do the rest of the EU refer to the UK as "Treasure Island"? If we owe the EU €100, 000,000 (or whatever) today, what will we owe them in 10 years, or 20 years, .......

What would your re-action be if the Government decreed that you must remove your garden fences, so that you and your neighbours could all have access to each other's property. And if you live in a semi, or terrace, you must remove all party walls, so they can share your bathroom. To be consistent in your belief that bigger is better, you should be in favour. Perhaps bigger IS better? I don't care, I don't want it.

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Posted: 8 December 2017 8:08 AM
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Hi Brian,

Further to my previous reply ...

There was a referendum. Nearly 10% more voted to leave, than remain. The leaders of both the big parties have declared that we ARE going to leave ... which probably isn't what THEY want to do ... but nobody could have forced them.

There are only two sides in this "divorce", the EU and the UK. But each side is supported by the in-laws, aunts, uncles, siblings, etc. The EU family have got their act together, they are all singing to the same (only) hymn sheet ... possibly because Uncle has threatened to cut them out of his will if they don't.

The UK on the other hand is in disarray. Every time the party suing for "divorce" makes a case, everybody else sticks their oar in, to put the kibosh on the negotiations. Can't they see that their best interests will be served by helping the party doing the divorcing to get the best deal. They can claim a share of the settlement, afterwards.

To bring it back into political terms, the UK will leave the EU. One day, maybe at the next election, or maybe one after that, the Fifth Columnists will find themselves in Government ... and have to sort out the mess that they have helped to create.

Only a couple of weeks ago, an American (I don't know if he was a politician or a pundit) said that it was not a good thing to divide a nation ... it can be very difficult to re-unite it.

If the EU had responded more favourably to Cameron's requests, maybe the Goose would still be laying the Golden €ggs?

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PS. Could the UK sue the EU (in the EU Court) for refusing to comply with the terms of Article 50? ?
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