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Posted: 9 February 2019 3:46 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-09 2:52 PM

True, if they refused they were either imprisoned or served as orderlies............

Is there any evidence that Tusks Grand Pappy refused to serve? ..........



"A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910) and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962). He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City. He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services. On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house. Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp. On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion). After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he deserted defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West.

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945. "

If you ever get the chance you should try and visit Gdansk and the newly opened Solidarity Museum, its quite stunning architecture and the way it set the timeline as to how a trade union movement led to the collapse of communism and totalitarian regimes across the world is superb.
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Posted: 9 February 2019 3:55 PM
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Fast Pat - 2019-02-09 3:46 PM


If you ever get the chance you should try and visit Gdansk and the newly opened Solidarity Museum, its quite stunning architecture and the way it set the timeline as to how a trade union movement led to the collapse of communism and totalitarian regimes across the world is superb.


Collapse of Communism? ...........It's alive and well in the Labour party ........

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Posted: 9 February 2019 4:08 PM
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Fast Pat - 2019-02-09 3:46 PM


If you ever get the chance you should try and visit Gdansk and the newly opened Solidarity Museum, its quite stunning architecture and the way it set the timeline as to how a trade union movement led to the collapse of communism and totalitarian regimes across the world is superb.


Collapse of Communism? ...........It's alive and well in the Labour party ........



You see all you've done there is shown your ignorance, if you don't know the difference between democratic socialism and "communism" as practiced by the USSR then you need to go way, put down the Daily Heil and do a bit of research.
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Posted: 9 February 2019 4:24 PM
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Fast Pat - 2019-02-09 4:08 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 3:55 PM

Fast Pat - 2019-02-09 3:46 PM


If you ever get the chance you should try and visit Gdansk and the newly opened Solidarity Museum, its quite stunning architecture and the way it set the timeline as to how a trade union movement led to the collapse of communism and totalitarian regimes across the world is superb.


Collapse of Communism? ...........It's alive and well in the Labour party ........



You see all you've done there is shown your ignorance, if you don't know the difference between democratic socialism and "communism" as practiced by the USSR then you need to go way, put down the Daily Heil and do a bit of research.


Are you saying Corbyn isn't a Communist? ...........

So why has he appointed Communists as his advisers? ........

Over to you Comrade .......

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Posted: 9 February 2019 4:32 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-09 2:52 PM...………………….True, if they refused they were either imprisoned or served as orderlies............
Is there any evidence that Tusks Grand Pappy refused to serve? ..........

Alternatively, is there any point to this discussion?

It was started by Antony as an obvious character assassination project against Tusk, because he'd had the temerity to point out an equally obvious, though uncomfortable (to Antony) truth. His basis for this is that during WW2 Tusks grandfather - grandfather, mind - had been in the Wehrmacht.

This was not to address Tusk's actual point, it was just a typical Antony way of saying "don't pay attention to the man himself, just concentrate on the fact that he had a dodgy grandfather". This would be an nonsensical argument even by "normal" ad hominem standards: but this raises the nonsense level to argumentum ad hominem contra est scriptor avus!

What the hell is Tusk supposed to be able to do about the actions of his grandfather 75 years ago? What contorted thought process makes the grandchild answerable for the actions of his grandfather? This is, and was, no more that a scurrilous attempt to deflect the string away from the simple, uncomfortable (to Antony), fact that Tusk spoke the truth about the forward planning capabilities of Brexiters.

Sadly, so far, Antony has succeeded, with reams of argument over how far into the Nazi high command Tusk's grandfather might have penetrated. The reality is it wouldn't matter a shred if Tusk's grandfather had turned out to be Joseph Goebbels himself. The grandson is not the grandfather, and does not do, or think, as the grandfather thought. Who Granddad was, or was not, is a complete irrelevance.

Now, back to the topic in hand?

Edited by Brian Kirby 2019-02-09 4:38 PM
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Posted: 9 February 2019 4:41 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Have to say it sounds preferable than any after life populated by whinging whining Remoaners ...........

Now that would be my idea of hell ............

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Posted: 9 February 2019 4:56 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-09 4:41 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Context context context......let's have it right. This is what he actually said;

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

And you know he was correct in that as none 'who promoted Brexit' had a plan did they? They all ran off having lit the bonfire.
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Posted: 9 February 2019 5:29 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-09 4:56 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 4:41 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Context context context......let's have it right. This is what he actually said;

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

And you know he was correct in that as none 'who promoted Brexit' had a plan did they? They all ran off having lit the bonfire.


The plan was, if we won the referendum to leave the EU ..........

It seems to be going to plan from where I'm sat ........

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Posted: 9 February 2019 5:39 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-09 5:29 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-02-09 4:56 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 4:41 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Context context context......let's have it right. This is what he actually said;

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

And you know he was correct in that as none 'who promoted Brexit' had a plan did they? They all ran off having lit the bonfire.


The plan was, if we won the referendum to leave the EU ..........

It seems to be going to plan from where I'm sat ........


Apologies for repeating myself :

Dave, leave is not a plan. It is merely a point of departure - it is about the past: it is where we go from. A plan needs a destination - it is about the future: it is where we go to. Where is that plan?

To get the future right, one has to get the departure right. If you want to catch a train to Edinburgh from London, there is little poing in turning up at Victoria Station, because trains from there head south, not north. So, again, where is this post Brexit plan?

I'm beginning to think Brexiters wouldn't recognise a plan if it smacked them in the face.

What did you do in the navy, Dave? Set sail from port, and then decide which other ports to just drop into, all happily singing "a life on the ocean wave, tra la" and ignoring that sailing a British navy warship into some ports unannounced would probably have got you and the ship impounded - if not start a war. Was the Navy Lark really that true?
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Posted: 9 February 2019 6:11 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 5:39 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 5:29 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-02-09 4:56 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 4:41 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Context context context......let's have it right. This is what he actually said;

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

And you know he was correct in that as none 'who promoted Brexit' had a plan did they? They all ran off having lit the bonfire.


The plan was, if we won the referendum to leave the EU ..........

It seems to be going to plan from where I'm sat ........


Apologies for repeating myself :

Dave, leave is not a plan. It is merely a point of departure - it is about the past: it is where we go from. A plan needs a destination - it is about the future: it is where we go to. Where is that plan?

To get the future right, one has to get the departure right. If you want to catch a train to Edinburgh from London, there is little point in turning up at Victoria Station, because trains from there head south, not north. So, again, where is this post Brexit plan?

I'm beginning to think Brexiters wouldn't recognise a plan if it smacked them in the face.

I think Pelmethead just switches his satnav on, looks at the little cursor and thinks 'ok that looks pretty....i'll just trundle along and see where the little arrow goes'. How does it feel....To be without a home...With no direction home....Like a complete unknown....Like a rolling stone?

What did you do in the navy, Dave? Set sail from port, and then decide which other ports to just drop into, all happily singing "a life on the ocean wave, tra la" and ignoring that sailing a British navy warship into some ports unannounced would probably have got you and the ship impounded - if not start a war. Was the Navy Lark really that true?

Luckily for Pugwash Pelmet the banana boat had a Captain who knew what he was doing!
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