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A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-17 6:27 PM

 

A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

 

Having read your link, your objections are???

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747 - 2021-09-18 8:17 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-17 6:27 PM

 

A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

 

Having read your link, your objections are???

 

Looks like a perfect example of the UK taking back control ;-) .........Because we can B-) ........

 

I see Barmy Barnier is now talking about taking back control >:-) .........

 

(lol) (lol) (lol) ..........

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747 - 2021-09-18 8:17 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-17 6:27 PM

 

A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

 

Having read your link, your objections are???

 

That most of them have sod all to do with the EU. For example what exactly does the National Underground Asset Register have to do with EU regulations?

 

What about the Geospatial Commission?

 

And the heavy vehicle MOT reform?

 

What about the offshore networks? What do they have to do with the EU?

 

 

Remember this is the list that Frostie put together of things we could do now we've exited the EU - most of these proposals we could have done within the EU.

 

Still it must be reassuring to know that we are viewing airworthiness maintenance is unnecessary and burdensome? Mind if we do away with it and diverge on the actual regulations we will not be able to fly anywhere - I expect a big cut and paste job so that the government can say we have moved away. But as EASA and FAA are fairly comparable are new regs will be the same!

 

 

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747 - 2021-09-18 8:17 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-17 6:27 PM

 

A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

 

Having read your link, your objections are???

 

I especially like this bit ;-) .........

 

"Repeal of the EU Port Services Regulation - When legislative time allows, the

government will repeal the EU’s Port Services Regulations - a good example of a

regulation which was geared heavily towards EU interests and never worked for the

UK."

 

And this :D ........

 

"Medicines and Medical Devices Act 2021 and the new medical devices

regulatory framework - Following the UK’s departure from the EU, the MHRA has

an opportunity to exercise powers as a sovereign regulator; creating a world-leading

regime that prioritises patient safety while fostering innovation. Today, we are

launching a public consultation on how medical devices (such as COVID-19 test kits

and cardiac stents) are regulated across the UK, with a view to having the future

framework in place from July 2023."

 

Especially as the UK MHRA showed the EMA how a world leading regulator should work in a Pandemic >:-) .......

 

 

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-18 9:09 AM

 

747 - 2021-09-18 8:17 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-17 6:27 PM

 

A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

 

Having read your link, your objections are???

 

That most of them have sod all to do with the EU. For example what exactly does the National Underground Asset Register have to do with EU regulations?

 

What about the Geospatial Commission?

 

And the heavy vehicle MOT reform?

 

What about the offshore networks? What do they have to do with the EU?

 

 

Remember this is the list that Frostie put together of things we could do now we've exited the EU - most of these proposals we could have done within the EU.

 

Still it must be reassuring to know that we are viewing airworthiness maintenance is unnecessary and burdensome? Mind if we do away with it and diverge on the actual regulations we will not be able to fly anywhere - I expect a big cut and paste job so that the government can say we have moved away. But as EASA and FAA are fairly comparable are new regs will be the same!

 

 

You had never heard of any of them before you stumbled across that document. What were you looking for inn the first place? Crikey, there are some weird people with motorhomes. 8-)

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747 - 2021-09-18 11:46 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-18 9:09 AM

 

747 - 2021-09-18 8:17 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-17 6:27 PM

 

A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

 

Having read your link, your objections are???

 

That most of them have sod all to do with the EU. For example what exactly does the National Underground Asset Register have to do with EU regulations?

 

What about the Geospatial Commission?

 

And the heavy vehicle MOT reform?

 

What about the offshore networks? What do they have to do with the EU?

 

 

Remember this is the list that Frostie put together of things we could do now we've exited the EU - most of these proposals we could have done within the EU.

 

Still it must be reassuring to know that we are viewing airworthiness maintenance is unnecessary and burdensome? Mind if we do away with it and diverge on the actual regulations we will not be able to fly anywhere - I expect a big cut and paste job so that the government can say we have moved away. But as EASA and FAA are fairly comparable are new regs will be the same!

 

 

You had never heard of any of them before you stumbled across that document. What were you looking for inn the first place? Crikey, there are some weird people with motorhomes. 8-)

 

Well Frosties proposals were in most of the papers yesterday, unlike some on here, I wonder what is behind a headline and google it - you should try it sometime - you might even discover that the proportion of refugees choosing to come here is a fraction of those that settle elsewhere in europe.

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pelmetman - 2021-09-18 9:18 AM

 

747 - 2021-09-18 8:17 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-17 6:27 PM

 

A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

 

Having read your link, your objections are???

 

I especially like this bit ;-) .........

 

"Medicines and Medical Devices Act 2021 and the new medical devices

regulatory framework - Following the UK’s departure from the EU, the MHRA has

an opportunity to exercise powers as a sovereign regulator; creating a world-leading

regime that prioritises patient safety while fostering innovation. Today, we are

launching a public consultation on how medical devices (such as COVID-19 test kits

and cardiac stents) are regulated across the UK, with a view to having the future

framework in place from July 2023."

 

Especially as the UK MHRA showed the EMA how a world leading regulator should work in a Pandemic >:-) .......

So you will like being reminded of, as we always have to with you, how the MHRA was "able to authorise the supply of vaccine using provisions UNDER EUROPEAN LAW which exist until 1st January", stated by our regulator Dr June Raine at the Downing street conference announcement 2nd December 2020. Something we could not have done post 1/1/21.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jnpBFwZjfU&t=1626s

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-18 11:59 AM

 

747 - 2021-09-18 11:46 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-18 9:09 AM

 

747 - 2021-09-18 8:17 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-17 6:27 PM

 

A wish list.

 

The list of regulations for reform have been announced by Frostie, most have nothing to do with the EU. So many random ideas, it's as if you asked government departments to come up with any ideas, and as quickly as possible.

 

 

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018386/Brexit_opportunities-_regulatory_reforms.pdf

 

Having read your link, your objections are???

 

That most of them have sod all to do with the EU. For example what exactly does the National Underground Asset Register have to do with EU regulations?

 

What about the Geospatial Commission?

 

And the heavy vehicle MOT reform?

 

What about the offshore networks? What do they have to do with the EU?

 

 

Remember this is the list that Frostie put together of things we could do now we've exited the EU - most of these proposals we could have done within the EU.

 

Still it must be reassuring to know that we are viewing airworthiness maintenance is unnecessary and burdensome? Mind if we do away with it and diverge on the actual regulations we will not be able to fly anywhere - I expect a big cut and paste job so that the government can say we have moved away. But as EASA and FAA are fairly comparable are new regs will be the same!

 

 

You had never heard of any of them before you stumbled across that document. What were you looking for inn the first place? Crikey, there are some weird people with motorhomes. 8-)

 

Well Frosties proposals were in most of the papers yesterday, unlike some on here, I wonder what is behind a headline and google it - you should try it sometime - you might even discover that the proportion of refugees choosing to come here is a fraction of those that settle elsewhere in europe.

I found some points as laughable as the blue passport farce Brexiters made such a song and dance over claiming the EU made us change the colour to burgundy, which as everyone knows was yet another Brexit lie. But they believe their own lies.....they have to!

 

A publican who posts on another forum said the fuss over crown mark on beer glasses is the same nonsense as the blue passport farce and they have never been "prohibited by the EU" from having a crown mark.

 

The nonsense about imperial vs metric is funny. UK signed the OIML treaty in 1856 (lol)

 

Hello Boris. Weights and Measures Inspector here. Sorry to dispel your latest bit of kite flying.

 

1) The UK transferring to metric measures had bug*er all to do with our EU membership.

 

2) The UK agreed, when it signed the OIML treaty in 1856 to move to a single system of measurement (S.I. units). Metric measures have been lawful in the UK since 1875.

 

3) Are you proposing the UK leaves the OIML treaty?

 

4) Only Myanmar and the USA currently use imperial measures (US measures are actually slightly different). How does this play with your claim of 'Global Britain'?

 

5) We have a national shortage of Weights and Measures Inspectors. Are you going to pay for new inspectors to be trained (which currently takes 6 years)?

 

6) Certificates of approval for imperial metrological equipment have long since lapsed. Will you subsidise the industry cost of certification?

 

7) Most imperial local standards and testing equipment have long been retired. Will you subsidise Local Authorities for the cost of this equipment and the creation of new metrological laboratories?

 

8) A local standard mass comparator costs £30,000. Are you willing to spend many millions of pounds reintroducing such equipment?

 

9) Imperial measurements have not been taught in schools since the mid 1970s. Indeed, to have been taught imperial measures, consumers are likely now retired? Are you willing to invest many more millions in educating the UK population of imperial measures?

 

Or is this, like your Bridge to Ireland, a nonsense policy only to distract form the appalling way you are running this country?

 

Finally, the USA is a member of NAFTA, where both Canada and Mexico use the metric system. This has meant increased visibility of metric markings on US goods. The US is a signatory of the OIML treaty. Interest in metric is growing in the USA

 

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John52 - 2021-09-18 5:41 PM

 

If there were any advantages of Brexit why would they have to make them up?

350 million a week for the NHS, the ability to get vaccines and crowns on pint beer glasses how did we manage that when we were in the EU *-)

 

You got your prick.....in the arm far earlier than those in the EU ;-) ........

 

Obviously some pricks dont appreciate how lucky they are *-) ........

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pelmetman - 2021-09-18 8:05 PM

 

John52 - 2021-09-18 5:41 PM

 

If there were any advantages of Brexit why would they have to make them up?

350 million a week for the NHS, the ability to get vaccines and crowns on pint beer glasses how did we manage that when we were in the EU *-)

 

You got your prick.....in the arm far earlier than those in the EU ;-) ........

That wasn't due to an "advantage of Brexit" which was the question John asked you, but because the MHRA was "able to authorise the supply of vaccine using provisions UNDER EUROPEAN LAW which exist until 1st January", stated by our regulator Dr June Raine at the Downing street conference announcement 2nd December 2020. Something we could not have done post 1/1/21.

 

You've been told this numerous times by myself and other posters yet you remain in constant denial.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jnpBFwZjfU&t=1626s

 

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John52 - 2021-09-18 5:41 PM

 

If there were any advantages of Brexit why would they have to make them up?

350 million a week for the NHS, the ability to get vaccines and crowns on pint beer glasses how did we manage that when we were in the EU *-)

 

You got your prick.....in the arm far earlier than those in the EU ;-) ........

 

Obviously some pricks dont appreciate how lucky they are *-) ........

 

Won the sprint, lost the marathon.

 

This was beginning of August

 

"After a slow start, the EU campaign to vaccinate its population against Covid-19 has turned into a success. The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead. The EU met its target of administering one jab to 70 per cent of adults by July and should hit its next one of fully vaccinating 70 per cent in the coming seven weeks.

 

The racing start to inoculations in the US and UK at the beginning of the year made for an unflattering comparison with an EU reputed to be slow and bureaucratic. But the political and media backlash against Brussels in Germany was ferocious too.

 

The European Commission, which took over responsibility for vaccine procurement, made mistakes: it was slow to sign contracts and did not do enough to ensure manufacturing capacity was in place. It picked an unnecessary fight with Britain over vaccine supplies. Its export restrictions allowed the EU to be painted as protectionist, when it was far from it. Its biggest mistake was to count on AstraZeneca, which repeatedly missed its delivery targets. Overall, the EU acquired the vaccines it needed after several weeks of penury.

 

 

 

After a slow start, the EU campaign to vaccinate its population against Covid-19 has turned into a success. The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead. The EU met its target of administering one jab to 70 per cent of adults by July and should hit its next one of fully vaccinating 70 per cent in the coming seven weeks.

 

The racing start to inoculations in the US and UK at the beginning of the year made for an unflattering comparison with an EU reputed to be slow and bureaucratic. But the political and media backlash against Brussels in Germany was ferocious too.

 

The European Commission, which took over responsibility for vaccine procurement, made mistakes: it was slow to sign contracts and did not do enough to ensure manufacturing capacity was in place. It picked an unnecessary fight with Britain over vaccine supplies. Its export restrictions allowed the EU to be painted as protectionist, when it was far from it. Its biggest mistake was to count on AstraZeneca, which repeatedly missed its delivery targets. Overall, the EU acquired the vaccines it needed after several weeks of penury.

 

 

National governments also bore responsibility for the sluggish rollout. Some failed to see the benefits of mobilising all resources. French president Emmanuel Macron undermined confidence by questioning the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Some governments were too bureaucratic. Most got their act together by the time supplies became plentiful but then concerns over rare side effects brought more disruption.

 

If the bloc as a whole has caught up, some countries in eastern Europe remain woefully behind. Bulgaria has given one vaccine dose to only 20 per cent of its adult population, Romania 32 per cent. This performance should be unacceptable to rest of the EU.

 

Hesitancy is now the main constraint but less so in the EU. The vaccination rate in the US and UK is now half of the EU’s. Some EU countries were vaccinating several hundred thousand people a day before the August holiday lull. Spain has managed this through systematic targeting of specific age cohorts. Some have begun jabbing children over 12. Others have resorted to inducements, ending free Covid tests, introducing Covid pass requirements or even vaccine mandates for health and social care workers.

 

A Covid pass may have the desired effect on the complacent but it could make the recalcitrant all the more so. Sustained and targeted information campaigns will be indispensable. The spread of the Delta variant means herd immunity may never be reached. Boosters may be needed. It is going to be a long haul. But Europeans can take comfort: having lost the sprint, they are well placed in the marathon."

 

https://www.ft.com/content/f76dac90-c28a-42b4-acfd-d1cdbf83f55c

 

 

 

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-18 10:32 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-09-18 8:05 PM

 

John52 - 2021-09-18 5:41 PM

 

If there were any advantages of Brexit why would they have to make them up?

350 million a week for the NHS, the ability to get vaccines and crowns on pint beer glasses how did we manage that when we were in the EU *-)

 

You got your prick.....in the arm far earlier than those in the EU ;-) ........

 

Obviously some pricks dont appreciate how lucky they are *-) ........

 

Won the sprint, lost the marathon.

 

This was beginning of August

 

"After a slow start, the EU campaign to vaccinate its population against Covid-19 has turned into a success. The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead. The EU met its target of administering one jab to 70 per cent of adults by July and should hit its next one of fully vaccinating 70 per cent in the coming seven weeks.

 

The racing start to inoculations in the US and UK at the beginning of the year made for an unflattering comparison with an EU reputed to be slow and bureaucratic. But the political and media backlash against Brussels in Germany was ferocious too.

 

The European Commission, which took over responsibility for vaccine procurement, made mistakes: it was slow to sign contracts and did not do enough to ensure manufacturing capacity was in place. It picked an unnecessary fight with Britain over vaccine supplies. Its export restrictions allowed the EU to be painted as protectionist, when it was far from it. Its biggest mistake was to count on AstraZeneca, which repeatedly missed its delivery targets. Overall, the EU acquired the vaccines it needed after several weeks of penury.

 

 

 

After a slow start, the EU campaign to vaccinate its population against Covid-19 has turned into a success. The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead. The EU met its target of administering one jab to 70 per cent of adults by July and should hit its next one of fully vaccinating 70 per cent in the coming seven weeks.

 

The racing start to inoculations in the US and UK at the beginning of the year made for an unflattering comparison with an EU reputed to be slow and bureaucratic. But the political and media backlash against Brussels in Germany was ferocious too.

 

The European Commission, which took over responsibility for vaccine procurement, made mistakes: it was slow to sign contracts and did not do enough to ensure manufacturing capacity was in place. It picked an unnecessary fight with Britain over vaccine supplies. Its export restrictions allowed the EU to be painted as protectionist, when it was far from it. Its biggest mistake was to count on AstraZeneca, which repeatedly missed its delivery targets. Overall, the EU acquired the vaccines it needed after several weeks of penury.

 

 

National governments also bore responsibility for the sluggish rollout. Some failed to see the benefits of mobilising all resources. French president Emmanuel Macron undermined confidence by questioning the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Some governments were too bureaucratic. Most got their act together by the time supplies became plentiful but then concerns over rare side effects brought more disruption.

 

If the bloc as a whole has caught up, some countries in eastern Europe remain woefully behind. Bulgaria has given one vaccine dose to only 20 per cent of its adult population, Romania 32 per cent. This performance should be unacceptable to rest of the EU.

 

Hesitancy is now the main constraint but less so in the EU. The vaccination rate in the US and UK is now half of the EU’s. Some EU countries were vaccinating several hundred thousand people a day before the August holiday lull. Spain has managed this through systematic targeting of specific age cohorts. Some have begun jabbing children over 12. Others have resorted to inducements, ending free Covid tests, introducing Covid pass requirements or even vaccine mandates for health and social care workers.

 

A Covid pass may have the desired effect on the complacent but it could make the recalcitrant all the more so. Sustained and targeted information campaigns will be indispensable. The spread of the Delta variant means herd immunity may never be reached. Boosters may be needed. It is going to be a long haul. But Europeans can take comfort: having lost the sprint, they are well placed in the marathon."

 

https://www.ft.com/content/f76dac90-c28a-42b4-acfd-d1cdbf83f55c

 

 

 

EU 70% double jabbed........UK 80+% double jabbed ;-) ........

 

ie they are still behind the UK >:-) ........

 

I wonder in which year they will get their 3rd jab? 8-) .........

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-18 10:32 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-09-18 8:05 PM

 

John52 - 2021-09-18 5:41 PM

 

If there were any advantages of Brexit why would they have to make them up?

350 million a week for the NHS, the ability to get vaccines and crowns on pint beer glasses how did we manage that when we were in the EU *-)

 

You got your prick.....in the arm far earlier than those in the EU ;-) ........

 

Obviously some pricks dont appreciate how lucky they are *-) ........

 

Won the sprint, lost the marathon.

 

This was beginning of August

 

"After a slow start, the EU campaign to vaccinate its population against Covid-19 has turned into a success. The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead. The EU met its target of administering one jab to 70 per cent of adults by July and should hit its next one of fully vaccinating 70 per cent in the coming seven weeks.

 

The racing start to inoculations in the US and UK at the beginning of the year made for an unflattering comparison with an EU reputed to be slow and bureaucratic. But the political and media backlash against Brussels in Germany was ferocious too.

 

The European Commission, which took over responsibility for vaccine procurement, made mistakes: it was slow to sign contracts and did not do enough to ensure manufacturing capacity was in place. It picked an unnecessary fight with Britain over vaccine supplies. Its export restrictions allowed the EU to be painted as protectionist, when it was far from it. Its biggest mistake was to count on AstraZeneca, which repeatedly missed its delivery targets. Overall, the EU acquired the vaccines it needed after several weeks of penury.

 

 

 

After a slow start, the EU campaign to vaccinate its population against Covid-19 has turned into a success. The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead. The EU met its target of administering one jab to 70 per cent of adults by July and should hit its next one of fully vaccinating 70 per cent in the coming seven weeks.

 

The racing start to inoculations in the US and UK at the beginning of the year made for an unflattering comparison with an EU reputed to be slow and bureaucratic. But the political and media backlash against Brussels in Germany was ferocious too.

 

The European Commission, which took over responsibility for vaccine procurement, made mistakes: it was slow to sign contracts and did not do enough to ensure manufacturing capacity was in place. It picked an unnecessary fight with Britain over vaccine supplies. Its export restrictions allowed the EU to be painted as protectionist, when it was far from it. Its biggest mistake was to count on AstraZeneca, which repeatedly missed its delivery targets. Overall, the EU acquired the vaccines it needed after several weeks of penury.

 

 

National governments also bore responsibility for the sluggish rollout. Some failed to see the benefits of mobilising all resources. French president Emmanuel Macron undermined confidence by questioning the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Some governments were too bureaucratic. Most got their act together by the time supplies became plentiful but then concerns over rare side effects brought more disruption.

 

If the bloc as a whole has caught up, some countries in eastern Europe remain woefully behind. Bulgaria has given one vaccine dose to only 20 per cent of its adult population, Romania 32 per cent. This performance should be unacceptable to rest of the EU.

 

Hesitancy is now the main constraint but less so in the EU. The vaccination rate in the US and UK is now half of the EU’s. Some EU countries were vaccinating several hundred thousand people a day before the August holiday lull. Spain has managed this through systematic targeting of specific age cohorts. Some have begun jabbing children over 12. Others have resorted to inducements, ending free Covid tests, introducing Covid pass requirements or even vaccine mandates for health and social care workers.

 

A Covid pass may have the desired effect on the complacent but it could make the recalcitrant all the more so. Sustained and targeted information campaigns will be indispensable. The spread of the Delta variant means herd immunity may never be reached. Boosters may be needed. It is going to be a long haul. But Europeans can take comfort: having lost the sprint, they are well placed in the marathon."

 

https://www.ft.com/content/f76dac90-c28a-42b4-acfd-d1cdbf83f55c

 

 

 

EU 70% double jabbed........UK 80+% double jabbed ;-) ........

 

ie they are still behind the UK >:-) ........

 

I wonder in which year they will get their 3rd jab? 8-) .........

 

We all know you're not good at maths but care to share your Einstein like calculations that turn 65% of double vaccinated UK population into 80%?

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

 

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-18 10:32 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-09-18 8:05 PM

 

John52 - 2021-09-18 5:41 PM

 

If there were any advantages of Brexit why would they have to make them up?

350 million a week for the NHS, the ability to get vaccines and crowns on pint beer glasses how did we manage that when we were in the EU *-)

 

You got your prick.....in the arm far earlier than those in the EU ;-) ........

 

Obviously some pricks dont appreciate how lucky they are *-) ........

 

Won the sprint, lost the marathon.

 

This was beginning of August

 

"After a slow start, the EU campaign to vaccinate its population against Covid-19 has turned into a success. The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead. The EU met its target of administering one jab to 70 per cent of adults by July and should hit its next one of fully vaccinating 70 per cent in the coming seven weeks.

 

The racing start to inoculations in the US and UK at the beginning of the year made for an unflattering comparison with an EU reputed to be slow and bureaucratic. But the political and media backlash against Brussels in Germany was ferocious too.

 

The European Commission, which took over responsibility for vaccine procurement, made mistakes: it was slow to sign contracts and did not do enough to ensure manufacturing capacity was in place. It picked an unnecessary fight with Britain over vaccine supplies. Its export restrictions allowed the EU to be painted as protectionist, when it was far from it. Its biggest mistake was to count on AstraZeneca, which repeatedly missed its delivery targets. Overall, the EU acquired the vaccines it needed after several weeks of penury.

 

 

 

After a slow start, the EU campaign to vaccinate its population against Covid-19 has turned into a success. The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead. The EU met its target of administering one jab to 70 per cent of adults by July and should hit its next one of fully vaccinating 70 per cent in the coming seven weeks.

 

The racing start to inoculations in the US and UK at the beginning of the year made for an unflattering comparison with an EU reputed to be slow and bureaucratic. But the political and media backlash against Brussels in Germany was ferocious too.

 

The European Commission, which took over responsibility for vaccine procurement, made mistakes: it was slow to sign contracts and did not do enough to ensure manufacturing capacity was in place. It picked an unnecessary fight with Britain over vaccine supplies. Its export restrictions allowed the EU to be painted as protectionist, when it was far from it. Its biggest mistake was to count on AstraZeneca, which repeatedly missed its delivery targets. Overall, the EU acquired the vaccines it needed after several weeks of penury.

 

 

National governments also bore responsibility for the sluggish rollout. Some failed to see the benefits of mobilising all resources. French president Emmanuel Macron undermined confidence by questioning the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Some governments were too bureaucratic. Most got their act together by the time supplies became plentiful but then concerns over rare side effects brought more disruption.

 

If the bloc as a whole has caught up, some countries in eastern Europe remain woefully behind. Bulgaria has given one vaccine dose to only 20 per cent of its adult population, Romania 32 per cent. This performance should be unacceptable to rest of the EU.

 

Hesitancy is now the main constraint but less so in the EU. The vaccination rate in the US and UK is now half of the EU’s. Some EU countries were vaccinating several hundred thousand people a day before the August holiday lull. Spain has managed this through systematic targeting of specific age cohorts. Some have begun jabbing children over 12. Others have resorted to inducements, ending free Covid tests, introducing Covid pass requirements or even vaccine mandates for health and social care workers.

 

A Covid pass may have the desired effect on the complacent but it could make the recalcitrant all the more so. Sustained and targeted information campaigns will be indispensable. The spread of the Delta variant means herd immunity may never be reached. Boosters may be needed. It is going to be a long haul. But Europeans can take comfort: having lost the sprint, they are well placed in the marathon."

 

https://www.ft.com/content/f76dac90-c28a-42b4-acfd-d1cdbf83f55c

 

 

 

EU 70% double jabbed........UK 80+% double jabbed ;-) ........

 

ie they are still behind the UK >:-) ........

 

I wonder in which year they will get their 3rd jab? 8-) .........

 

We all know you're not good at maths but care to share your Einstein like calculations that turn 65% of double vaccinated UK population into 80%?

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

 

Even Einstein could read ;-) ..........

 

"Vaccinations

People vaccinated

Up to and including 17 September 2021

Percentage of population aged 16+

89.3%

1st dose

81.6%

2nd dose"

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Can you? (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

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Even Einstein could read ;-) ..........

 

"Vaccinations

People vaccinated

Up to and including 17 September 2021

Percentage of population aged 16+

89.3%

1st dose

81.6%

2nd dose"

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Can you? (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

 

You are clearly not able to read, confusing as you are the difference between people having had two vaccinations with people being fully vaccinated. Clinically you are only considered to be fully vaccinated fifteen days after your second vaccination. And fifteen days ago the UK was running at 65% fully vaccinated - way behind a lot of western European countries.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-19 12:58 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-09-19 12:30 PM

 

Even Einstein could read ;-) ..........

 

"Vaccinations

People vaccinated

Up to and including 17 September 2021

Percentage of population aged 16+

89.3%

1st dose

81.6%

2nd dose"

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Can you? (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

 

You are clearly not able to read, confusing as you are the difference between people having had two vaccinations with people being fully vaccinated. Clinically you are only considered to be fully vaccinated fifteen days after your second vaccination. And fifteen days ago the UK was running at 65% fully vaccinated - way behind a lot of western European countries.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

So in the last 15 days the UK vaccinated 16.6% of the population??? 8-) .........

 

Worra bunch of cretins (lol) (lol) (lol) ..........

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pelmetman - 2021-09-19 12:30 PM

 

Even Einstein could read ;-) ..........

 

"Vaccinations

People vaccinated

Up to and including 17 September 2021

Percentage of population aged 16+

89.3%

1st dose

81.6%

2nd dose"

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Can you? (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

 

You are clearly not able to read, confusing as you are the difference between people having had two vaccinations with people being fully vaccinated. Clinically you are only considered to be fully vaccinated fifteen days after your second vaccination. And fifteen days ago the UK was running at 65% fully vaccinated - way behind a lot of western European countries.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

We've been here many times before with the Europhobe and his manic obsession with anything EU over whose done the most jabs falls down at the first fence!

 

The UK have 44,357,108 of the population with 2 jabs whilst the EU have 312,200,000.

 

The vaccine "race" is quite silly though as every country worldwide needs protecting and some people are refusing it. Only the other day I was listening to a care worker prepared to lose her job as she has refused the vaccination.

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pelmetman - 2021-09-19 12:30 PM

 

Even Einstein could read ;-) ..........

 

"Vaccinations

People vaccinated

Up to and including 17 September 2021

Percentage of population aged 16+

89.3%

1st dose

81.6%

2nd dose"

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Can you? (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

 

You are clearly not able to read, confusing as you are the difference between people having had two vaccinations with people being fully vaccinated. Clinically you are only considered to be fully vaccinated fifteen days after your second vaccination. And fifteen days ago the UK was running at 65% fully vaccinated - way behind a lot of western European countries.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

I'm looking forward to you posting up the evidence that the UK has been vacinating nearly 1/2 a million folk EVERYDAY with their 2nd jab in the last 14 days? :D ..........

 

I say 14 days because yesterday they only managed to 2nd jab 59,032 (lol) (lol) (lol) ..........

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pelmetman - 2021-09-19 3:09 PM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-19 12:58 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-09-19 12:30 PM

 

Even Einstein could read ;-) ..........

 

"Vaccinations

People vaccinated

Up to and including 17 September 2021

Percentage of population aged 16+

89.3%

1st dose

81.6%

2nd dose"

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Can you? (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

 

You are clearly not able to read, confusing as you are the difference between people having had two vaccinations with people being fully vaccinated. Clinically you are only considered to be fully vaccinated fifteen days after your second vaccination. And fifteen days ago the UK was running at 65% fully vaccinated - way behind a lot of western European countries.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

I'm looking forward to you posting up the evidence that the UK has been vacinating nearly 1/2 a million folk EVERYDAY with their 2nd jab in the last 14 days? :D ..........

 

I say 14 days because yesterday they only managed to 2nd jab 59,032 (lol) (lol) (lol) ..........

 

I'm just quoting the ourworldindata statement

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-19 4:26 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-09-19 3:09 PM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-09-19 12:58 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-09-19 12:30 PM

 

Even Einstein could read ;-) ..........

 

"Vaccinations

People vaccinated

Up to and including 17 September 2021

Percentage of population aged 16+

89.3%

1st dose

81.6%

2nd dose"

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

Can you? (lol) (lol) (lol) ............

 

You are clearly not able to read, confusing as you are the difference between people having had two vaccinations with people being fully vaccinated. Clinically you are only considered to be fully vaccinated fifteen days after your second vaccination. And fifteen days ago the UK was running at 65% fully vaccinated - way behind a lot of western European countries.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

I'm looking forward to you posting up the evidence that the UK has been vacinating nearly 1/2 a million folk EVERYDAY with their 2nd jab in the last 14 days? :D ..........

 

I say 14 days because yesterday they only managed to 2nd jab 59,032 (lol) (lol) (lol) ..........

 

I'm just quoting the ourworldindata statement

 

What you mean is you've just realised you posted a load of Bollox's (lol) (lol) (lol) .........

 

 

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Going back to OP, looks like something from the old USSR, must be a leftie/burocrats dream, setting up our own standards irrespective of what the rest of the world is doing. As we suffer more goods and service shortages makes you wonder if the UK will go the same way.
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