Bulletguy Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Actually i've only just heard it on BBC R2 news if that's ok with you? Ignoring your usual disparaging insults and rude comments i've long been of the opinion the 2nd Amendment is an archaic piece of legislation stuck in a timewarp which only the NRA fanatics cling to. That's not just my opinion either....fwiw some Americans hold the same opinion. How do i know? One of my relatives lived and worked in the US, in Texas to be precise, for a number of years and got to know many Americans through work and socialising. Your excuse is lame at best and pathetic. Reading many more tweets since, obviously from Americans, who point out all the police obviously had guns so to say "we need more guns" or "if i had my Glock" etc is a bloody nonsense. Nothing will change though. The NRA are extremely powerful and spent millions funding pro-gun Trump so the shootings will continue unabated. As pointed out in that article, Texas gun laws are set to get even easier as from today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 The constitution to bear arms was for militia to have muskets available to defend themselves/ the state. So technology went on ahead and now there are automatic assault rifles. Those are what need to be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 4:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Exactly. No need to ban guns but nobody needs military grade weapons of mass destruction at home FFS! or even hand guns really. Who needs a fecking machine gun? Fine on a controlled range for fun but in the car or at home? I remember on a training course in Arizona some moron from Utah I think coming in every day to the office with a side arm Glock. The bloke was one of these deranged middle america God squad red neck types and was totally legally allowed to carry this thing everywhere with him. Its just mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. So ban guns or types of guns, which I'd like to see, but the US is very different and the cat's out of the bag there as far as gun ownership is concerned. All you'd do is leave people at the mercy of the violent gangs, various mafias and cartels, because there's no way they'd give up their guns. Guns are part of life. Ban assault weapons but that won't stop anything. They'll have rifles and pistols galore. I suspect that a majority of US citizens, when it comes to the crunch, would not vote for a total ban. It's a fact that in many states burglaries are low because burglars get shot. No easy answer and shootings are something they'll have to live with. There are far fewer deaths from mass shootings than from gang violence and drug use anyway. And I'm not trivialising them, just pointing out that they're not the biggest problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 4:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Exactly. There is absolutely no need or excuse for private citizens to either want or own military grade weaponry at all. In US though that's only part the problem, the other is psyche, the mindset. Firing off AK-47's or AR-15's etc is glamourised by pro-gun enthusiasts uploading YT clips of bikini clad girls shooting. Who else could name a shooting range "Bullets 'n Burgers" which was where that little 9 year old girl shot an instructor dead with an Uzi submachine gun. Who the f**k is insane enough to put an Uzi sub-machine gun in the hands of a 9 year old kid? Sorry but that's wrong on so many levels. This is how they sell the "thrill" of shooting packages; https://bulletsandburgers.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 4:55 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. So ban guns or types of guns, which I'd like to see, but the US is very different and the cat's out of the bag there as far as gun ownership is concerned. All you'd do is leave people at the mercy of the violent gangs, various mafias and cartels, because there's no way they'd give up their guns. Guns are part of life. Ban assault weapons but that won't stop anything. They'll have rifles and pistols galore. I suspect that a majority of US citizens, when it comes to the crunch, would not vote for a total ban. It's a fact that in many states burglaries are low because burglars get shot. No easy answer and shootings are something they'll have to live with. There are far fewer deaths from mass shootings than from gang violence and drug use anyway. And I'm not trivialising them, just pointing out that they're not the biggest problem. You asked for evidence and I provided it, now you dismiss it based on your "feelings " Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/20/strict-firearm-laws-reduce-gun-deaths-heres-the-evidence?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 4:55 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. Serbia is the nearest comparable in weapons per capita and ranked second to US in the world in firearms per capita with a rate of 58.21 guns per 100 people. Serbia has firearms laws which govern the firm gun culture, particularly in rural regions which have over a million legal firearms in circulation. Serbians over the age of eighteen can possess a gun, but the license is not issued to individuals with a mental disorder, history of illegal substance or alcohol abuse, and the ones with a criminal history. In Serbia, a thorough background search is mandatory with the police having the final say in the matter. The law stipulates that all guns must be stored in a safe place and the police can confiscate them if owners are irresponsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 Jeeez......the 17 month old little girl was shot in the face. :-( Texas media now reporting 8 dead with 30 injured. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 6:27 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 4:55 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. So ban guns or types of guns, which I'd like to see, but the US is very different and the cat's out of the bag there as far as gun ownership is concerned. All you'd do is leave people at the mercy of the violent gangs, various mafias and cartels, because there's no way they'd give up their guns. Guns are part of life. Ban assault weapons but that won't stop anything. They'll have rifles and pistols galore. I suspect that a majority of US citizens, when it comes to the crunch, would not vote for a total ban. It's a fact that in many states burglaries are low because burglars get shot. No easy answer and shootings are something they'll have to live with. There are far fewer deaths from mass shootings than from gang violence and drug use anyway. And I'm not trivialising them, just pointing out that they're not the biggest problem. You asked for evidence and I provided it, now you dismiss it based on your "feelings " Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/20/strict-firearm-laws-reduce-gun-deaths-heres-the-evidence?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard What I said is that you can't compare the US with NZ or Australia. Why is it axiomatic that because something is working in NZ it must work in the US? There are huge cultural differences where the right to bear arms is concerned. Does NZ for instance have vast cities like LA, Baltimore and NY where gang culture prevails and where killings happen every day? Does NZ have the Russian mafia, Yakuza gangs,Latino drug cartels, as well as their home grown criminal organisations? Do you think that these people will hand over their weapons? You'd have a country where only the criminals have guns. Does NZ have the same long tradition of gun owning and is it part of its constitution? As I said, comparing the US to NZ, Australia and the UK is beyond simplistic. There is no comparison whatsoever. Your 'evidence' is as pointless as saying that because banning alcohol amongst the Amish worked, it will work in Glasgow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 6:28 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 4:55 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. Serbia is the nearest comparable in weapons per capita and ranked second to US in the world in firearms per capita with a rate of 58.21 guns per 100 people. Serbia has firearms laws which govern the firm gun culture, particularly in rural regions which have over a million legal firearms in circulation. Serbians over the age of eighteen can possess a gun, but the license is not issued to individuals with a mental disorder, history of illegal substance or alcohol abuse, and the ones with a criminal history. In Serbia, a thorough background search is mandatory with the police having the final say in the matter. The law stipulates that all guns must be stored in a safe place and the police can confiscate them if owners are irresponsible. Serbia'a homicide by guns rate is enormous compared to the UK, Australia and NZ. It would appear that their legislation isn't working too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 6:04 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 6:28 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 4:55 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. Serbia is the nearest comparable in weapons per capita and ranked second to US in the world in firearms per capita with a rate of 58.21 guns per 100 people. Serbia has firearms laws which govern the firm gun culture, particularly in rural regions which have over a million legal firearms in circulation. Serbians over the age of eighteen can possess a gun, but the license is not issued to individuals with a mental disorder, history of illegal substance or alcohol abuse, and the ones with a criminal history. In Serbia, a thorough background search is mandatory with the police having the final say in the matter. The law stipulates that all guns must be stored in a safe place and the police can confiscate them if owners are irresponsible. Serbia'a homicide by guns rate is enormous compared to the UK, Australia and NZ. It would appear that their legislation isn't working too well. Single homicide rate is actually .2 higher per 100,000 citizens than UK which is rated at 1.0 according to this; https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html and needless to say way lower than US. The figures i quoted in my previous post was per capita ownership, Serbia is the second highest in ownership but has nowhere near the amount of mass shootings or murders as US. The other oft quoted country by pro-gun fans playing at 'whataboutery' trying to support their narrative is Switzerland. A tiny country with a fraction of the population but yes gun ownership is fairly high BUT......their psyche is entirely different and polar opposite to their US counterpart. Swiss don't see owning a gun or shooting as "fun", in fact those who do own a gun will only have one anyway, usually ex-service. They used to be required to keep a clip of ammunition in the house but i think that's been stopped now. Their controls are extremely tight but it's a completely different mindset there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 5:53 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 6:27 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 4:55 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. So ban guns or types of guns, which I'd like to see, but the US is very different and the cat's out of the bag there as far as gun ownership is concerned. All you'd do is leave people at the mercy of the violent gangs, various mafias and cartels, because there's no way they'd give up their guns. Guns are part of life. Ban assault weapons but that won't stop anything. They'll have rifles and pistols galore. I suspect that a majority of US citizens, when it comes to the crunch, would not vote for a total ban. It's a fact that in many states burglaries are low because burglars get shot. No easy answer and shootings are something they'll have to live with. There are far fewer deaths from mass shootings than from gang violence and drug use anyway. And I'm not trivialising them, just pointing out that they're not the biggest problem. You asked for evidence and I provided it, now you dismiss it based on your "feelings " Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/20/strict-firearm-laws-reduce-gun-deaths-heres-the-evidence?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard What I said is that you can't compare the US with NZ or Australia. Why is it axiomatic that because something is working in NZ it must work in the US? There are huge cultural differences where the right to bear arms is concerned. Does NZ for instance have vast cities like LA, Baltimore and NY where gang culture prevails and where killings happen every day? Does NZ have the Russian mafia, Yakuza gangs,Latino drug cartels, as well as their home grown criminal organisations? Do you think that these people will hand over their weapons? You'd have a country where only the criminals have guns. Does NZ have the same long tradition of gun owning and is it part of its constitution? As I said, comparing the US to NZ, Australia and the UK is beyond simplistic. There is no comparison whatsoever. Your 'evidence' is as pointless as saying that because banning alcohol amongst the Amish worked, it will work in Glasgow. So you didnt read the link then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 7:38 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 5:53 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 6:27 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 4:55 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. So ban guns or types of guns, which I'd like to see, but the US is very different and the cat's out of the bag there as far as gun ownership is concerned. All you'd do is leave people at the mercy of the violent gangs, various mafias and cartels, because there's no way they'd give up their guns. Guns are part of life. Ban assault weapons but that won't stop anything. They'll have rifles and pistols galore. I suspect that a majority of US citizens, when it comes to the crunch, would not vote for a total ban. It's a fact that in many states burglaries are low because burglars get shot. No easy answer and shootings are something they'll have to live with. There are far fewer deaths from mass shootings than from gang violence and drug use anyway. And I'm not trivialising them, just pointing out that they're not the biggest problem. You asked for evidence and I provided it, now you dismiss it based on your "feelings " Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/20/strict-firearm-laws-reduce-gun-deaths-heres-the-evidence?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard What I said is that you can't compare the US with NZ or Australia. Why is it axiomatic that because something is working in NZ it must work in the US? There are huge cultural differences where the right to bear arms is concerned. Does NZ for instance have vast cities like LA, Baltimore and NY where gang culture prevails and where killings happen every day? Does NZ have the Russian mafia, Yakuza gangs,Latino drug cartels, as well as their home grown criminal organisations? Do you think that these people will hand over their weapons? You'd have a country where only the criminals have guns. Does NZ have the same long tradition of gun owning and is it part of its constitution? As I said, comparing the US to NZ, Australia and the UK is beyond simplistic. There is no comparison whatsoever. Your 'evidence' is as pointless as saying that because banning alcohol amongst the Amish worked, it will work in Glasgow. So you didnt read the link then. Yes I read the link. Can you show me where it says that gun control will reduce homicides to the same levels as the UK, Australia and NZ? Can you show me where it says that banning guns will work in the US as well as it might in those other countries? As I said, comparing most other Western democracies with the US is pointless, guns are a far more integral part of life there than anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 7:03 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 7:38 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 5:53 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 6:27 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 4:55 PM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 5:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Simplistic, and those countries aren't remotely comparable to the US. So ban guns or types of guns, which I'd like to see, but the US is very different and the cat's out of the bag there as far as gun ownership is concerned. All you'd do is leave people at the mercy of the violent gangs, various mafias and cartels, because there's no way they'd give up their guns. Guns are part of life. Ban assault weapons but that won't stop anything. They'll have rifles and pistols galore. I suspect that a majority of US citizens, when it comes to the crunch, would not vote for a total ban. It's a fact that in many states burglaries are low because burglars get shot. No easy answer and shootings are something they'll have to live with. There are far fewer deaths from mass shootings than from gang violence and drug use anyway. And I'm not trivialising them, just pointing out that they're not the biggest problem. You asked for evidence and I provided it, now you dismiss it based on your "feelings " Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/20/strict-firearm-laws-reduce-gun-deaths-heres-the-evidence?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard What I said is that you can't compare the US with NZ or Australia. Why is it axiomatic that because something is working in NZ it must work in the US? There are huge cultural differences where the right to bear arms is concerned. Does NZ for instance have vast cities like LA, Baltimore and NY where gang culture prevails and where killings happen every day? Does NZ have the Russian mafia, Yakuza gangs,Latino drug cartels, as well as their home grown criminal organisations? Do you think that these people will hand over their weapons? You'd have a country where only the criminals have guns. Does NZ have the same long tradition of gun owning and is it part of its constitution? As I said, comparing the US to NZ, Australia and the UK is beyond simplistic. There is no comparison whatsoever. Your 'evidence' is as pointless as saying that because banning alcohol amongst the Amish worked, it will work in Glasgow. So you didnt read the link then. Yes I read the link. Can you show me where it says that gun control will reduce homicides to the same levels as the UK, Australia and NZ? Can you show me where it says that banning guns will work in the US as well as it might in those other countries? As I said, comparing most other Western democracies with the US is pointless, guns are a far more integral part of life there than anywhere else. To what extent increased gun control would reduce homicides is a bit of a red herring really as it would certainly lessen the rate but as already posted, US (or at least Texas) are going in the opposite direction by loosening up gun control which is pretty crazy. Your argument is flawed as initially you said, banning assault weapons won't stop anything. They'll have rifles and pistols galore. There is a vast difference between a rifle and assault rifle with the former chambered for single shot and the latter capable of multiple rounds and capable of semi and fully auto. That's in simple terms. Though Bush banned the import of semi automatic weapons in 1989, that expired in 2004 and today 43 out of the 50 states have no ban. There was a proposed ban in 2015 on assault style weapons, such as the AR-15 etc, along with semi-auto pistols, semi-auto shotguns, HC magazines, and unbelievably....grenade launchers. How far along that has got i'm not clear as AR-15's are still on open sale and can be bought over the counter in a matter of minutes. Semi-autos can also easily be made to increase their fire rate by fitting bump stocks which are legally sold in the US and what the Las Vegas killer used. This chap explains them; But you don't even need buy a bump stock......a rubber band does the same job. Politics apart the other problem with US gun control is their laws vary from one state to another. The country is literally creaking under the mass of weaponry it's citizens have. Dave Chappelle, a black American comedian said, they’ll only change gun laws if all black people register for a legal firearm. History shows he's correct; https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 4:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Perhaps they should ban Asylum Seekers from having knives & Forks :-| ......... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-lyon-knife-attack-one-19114957 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-02 8:22 AM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 4:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Perhaps they should ban Asylum Seekers from having knives & Forks :-| ......... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-lyon-knife-attack-one-19114957 Why have you deflected from the thread topic about a mass shooting which left seven dead, 22 injured and a 17 month old child shot in the face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-09-02 2:34 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-02 8:22 AM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 4:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Perhaps they should ban Asylum Seekers from having knives & Forks :-| ......... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-lyon-knife-attack-one-19114957 Why have you deflected from the thread topic about a mass shooting which left seven dead, 22 injured and a 17 month old child shot in the face? Well if you want to deflect to scores on the doors :-| ......... https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 Or don't they count because they're not white Americans? *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Texas lawmaker says NO to gun reform...but yes to praying more for God to save us. What an idiot...God save us from religion please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-02 3:13 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-02 2:34 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-02 8:22 AM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 4:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Perhaps they should ban Asylum Seekers from having knives & Forks :-| ......... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-lyon-knife-attack-one-19114957 Why have you deflected from the thread topic about a mass shooting which left seven dead, 22 injured and a 17 month old child shot in the face? Well if you want to deflect to scores on the doors :-| ......... I don't and haven't but you have hence the reason i asked why you did. You've now made it clear your intention was to hijack the thread to shoehorn your Islamophobia in as you regularly do on many threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-09-02 3:28 PM Texas lawmaker says NO to gun reform...but yes to praying more for God to save us. What an idiot...God save us from religion please. Trump hasn't said much on this latest mass shooting either. Texas gun laws are being "loosened up". :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-09-02 5:00 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-02 3:13 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-02 2:34 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-02 8:22 AM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 4:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Perhaps they should ban Asylum Seekers from having knives & Forks :-| ......... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-lyon-knife-attack-one-19114957 Why have you deflected from the thread topic about a mass shooting which left seven dead, 22 injured and a 17 month old child shot in the face? Well if you want to deflect to scores on the doors :-| ......... I don't and haven't but you have hence the reason i asked why you did. You've now made it clear your intention was to hijack the thread to shoehorn your Islamophobia in as you regularly do on many threads. So why are you shocked by the mass shootings in the USA yet ignore the mass murders carried out by those who follow a certain creed? :-| ........... Kinda indicates you have a biased agenda *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-02 10:17 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-02 5:00 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-02 3:13 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-02 2:34 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-02 8:22 AM Fast Pat - 2019-09-01 4:26 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-09-01 3:20 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-01 4:04 PM Here we go again....in Texas leaving 4 dead and 21 injured. Amazingly new laws just introduced will now loosen gun restrictions even more. :-( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html It's nice of you to tell us but I suspect that everyone on here has heard this news. But I'm curious to know what your answer is to this problem. America was a frontier country where guns were often essential, which is why the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. So what would you do? Ban guns? Yes, I'm sure that the gangs and drug dealers would gladly hand in their Uzis. But at least decent and honest people wouldn't be able to shoot thugs who invade their homes to steal and rape and kill. So instead of delighting in every opportunity to denigrate the US, why not give us the benefit of your giant brain and offer a solution? Ban automatic/assault weapons and tighten up gun ownership. Worked in UK, Australia and recently introduced in NZ. Perhaps they should ban Asylum Seekers from having knives & Forks :-| ......... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-lyon-knife-attack-one-19114957 Why have you deflected from the thread topic about a mass shooting which left seven dead, 22 injured and a 17 month old child shot in the face? Well if you want to deflect to scores on the doors :-| ......... I don't and haven't but you have hence the reason i asked why you did. You've now made it clear your intention was to hijack the thread to shoehorn your Islamophobia in as you regularly do on many threads. So why are you shocked by the mass shootings in the USA yet ignore the mass murders carried out by those who follow a certain creed? :-| ........... Kinda indicates you have a biased agenda *-) ........... US mass shootings are almost a daily occurrence so hardly "shocking". It seems from the post you made attempting to shoehorn your usual narrative in, you're peeved the mass shooters ethnicity isn't brown otherwise why else would you mention it? The only person with a biased agenda, very heavily and very obvious, has been you all along as you're still desperately trying to hijack this thread. Go off and make your own thread if you want to rant about an off thread topic issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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