Wingpete Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I think I could be prepared to join the Crusaders to settle a few old scores regarding people using religion to hide a discriminatory dictatorship, e.g Sudan. Gen Gordon was right to punish them, but lack of support from UK Govmt let him down, and history is repeating itself once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Syd Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Wingpete - 2007-11-30 4:49 PM I think I could be prepared to join the Crusaders to settle a few old scores regarding people using religion to hide a discriminatory dictatorship, e.g Sudan. Gen Gordon was right to punish them, but lack of support from UK Govmt let him down, and history is repeating itself once more. And there's me thinking it was a spear between the ribs that let him down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Well, breaking news today suggests that the teddy bear has had his hands chopped off and may be stoned tomorrow. I wonder how much financial aid per annum is being poured into the Sudan by the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I know lets nuke em :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 All I can say is God help us when we all name a baby doll 'Jesus'for the Nativity plays. If, of course, the P.C. brigade still allow such a thing. (Is there anything better than seeing ones children/grandchildren dressed out in a sheet singing 'Away in a Manger'?? Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Maybe the answer is not to get involved with all these countries. Their populations seem quite content with their beliefs and customs. After all we don't like our way of life being changed by 'outsiders'. If I was a teacher I would certainly think twice about going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 If you were a teacher, you'd have to think twice about teaching here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Vic - 2007-11-30 8:24 PM If you were a teacher, you'd have to think twice about teaching here!! That's a point. Maybe the lady who went to Sudan thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Well..........when the oil runs out we can nuke the lot of them. Starting with Saudi Arabia. That's if their mate Ossama doesn't get us first. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Maybe, just maybe, the amswer lies in not trying to force the cultures of other non-european countries to match exactly with ours. And maybe also in not tarring every citizen of such a country with the same huge-generalisation-brush. Other cultures are more religious than that of the UK nowadays. Seems to me that that is their right, if they so decide. When you go to another culture, you chould m,ake every effort to understand that culture, and obey its laws, not simply apply your own moral/religious values. It was not too long ago that hundreds of thousands of people in Britain and abroad were being murdered by British people as a result of the religious zealots among Christian British people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Great point BGD. So going to another country, one should abide by cultures etc. I assume you would also include those who come to this country? Or are we exempt from applying those rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsyTom Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 BGD - 2007-11-30 8:38 PM Maybe, just maybe, the amswer lies in not trying to force the cultures of other non-european countries to match exactly with ours. And maybe also in not tarring every citizen of such a country with the same huge-generalisation-brush. Other cultures are more religious than that of the UK nowadays. Seems to me that that is their right, if they so decide. When you go to another culture, you chould m,ake every effort to understand that culture, and obey its laws, not simply apply your own moral/religious values. It was not too long ago that hundreds of thousands of people in Britain and abroad were being murdered by British people as a result of the religious zealots among Christian British people. My history isn't too good so perhaps you could tell me when it was that hundreds of thousands of people were killed by British Christians. "Not too long ago" suggests that, well, it wasn't too long ago! But I can't remember it in my lifetime and I'm fifty now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 The 'Irish Troubles' spring to mind (1915 onwards) The 'Christian' Britsh Army killed in the name of Empire for 200 + years but I would not have thought that was a conflict of religion, merely imperial expansion. (I am of the opinion the world was a better place when the 'sun did not set etc etc') Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Seems to me that they call their own children Mohammed so its one rule for them another for others . Double fanatical standards surely they could see that this woman intends to do good by their country teaching their children .Well that will teach her wont it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Yes Mike, our ancestors did many terrible things. Whether in the name of Christianity or Imperialism. Those days are long gone and we have moved on. So now, as we try to make peace with the world, why are we subjected to such hatred from many parts of the globe? should they not move on too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Bit strong aint it god she only used his name ..surely they could see the context it was used in madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Vic, do not know if they were really 'terrible things'. Some folk may think so but after all we did educate and bring laws to most of the world. If we did not then other European countries did!. Perhaps that is why we are hated know, either because we imperialised them and they did not like it, or, perhaps they regret 'kicking' us out and now feel guilty!!! Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Rhodesia is a classical example. A rich country under the control of the late Ian Smith. Destroyed by the dictator installed in the name of so called 'freedom' of the state. I suppose we did give so much to these countries, but, we also took much. We reaped, and sowed and saw the final destruction of our efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Vic good example. Perhaps if Wilson had been a bit more tolerant with Ian Smith things would have been much better today for all Rhodesians (Zimbabweans?) Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Syd Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Until we arrived and "helped a certain country it had A great gold reserve A thriving export market Supplied its citizens with all their food requirements World leading silk factories When we had finnished helping them they had No gold reserves No export markets No home grown food supplies No silk industries That country is INDIA. Yes we certainly have given these countries a lot, a lot of trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Perhaps, but we left them with a very good rail system, a fair judical system, a fine cricket team, a well trained and officered army and, for what it is worth, 'democracy' Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Reminds me that Monty Python sketch Mike, what have the romans ever done for us. Trouble is that these nations view democracy as something totally alien, and while it works for us they still prefer a dictator, despot or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 With our democracy we just get one despot after another!!!! Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingpete Posted December 1, 2007 Author Share Posted December 1, 2007 Looks like time to pull up the drawbridge. Let tribalism reign where our culture is not welcomed Give the immigrants from those countries return tickets to where ? Would it be Africa India China Oceana ( once known as NZ.OZ South Pacific) Maybe even Rome Egypt Denmark France Scotland Anglia Kernow or maybe Kent ! All immigrants from places that exported peoples of all kinds. "Maybe its because I'm a Londoner, that I love London Town " Boadica had the right ideas. Kepp them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I'm not disagreeing with you, Peter, but I wonder how far back into our own ancestry most of us can go without coming across an immigrant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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