Guest pelmetman Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. The average Joe has already benefited from Brexit as it has decreased the supply of cheap EU labour, which in turn has increased their wages ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 It’s not just about the money though is it Dave? Protection for part-time workers, the working time directive and other measures that prevent exploitation of the vulnerable and the desperate. And if Brexit happens what’s the betting that the big boys will secure immigration rules that allow them to recruit cheap labour from anywhere in the world and from places that have a much higher “poor population” than the countries of Eastern Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-01 5:07 PM Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. The average Joe has already benefited from Brexit as it has decreased the supply of cheap EU labour, which in turn has increased their wages ;-) ......... You forgot to mention that migration of non-EU to UK has increased. You simply swapped one set of 'johnny foreigner' types you didn't like, for another you don't like. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679 Those 7000 people you threw out of work in Swindon would be among your 'average Joe'. Please explain how they will benefit from losing their jobs, their income, their homes, their childrens education wrecked, and their futures trashed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 6:37 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 5:07 PM Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. The average Joe has already benefited from Brexit as it has decreased the supply of cheap EU labour, which in turn has increased their wages ;-) ......... You forgot to mention that migration of non-EU to UK has increased. You simply swapped one set of 'johnny foreigner' types you didn't like, for another you don't like. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679 Those 7000 people you threw out of work in Swindon would be among your 'average Joe'. Please explain how they will benefit from losing their jobs, their income, their homes, their childrens education wrecked, and their futures trashed? 1.....The other set of Johnny Foreigners will not be able to claim benefits after just 3 months ;-) ....... "Most non-EU nationals who are subject to immigration control are not allowed access to "public funds" (such as jobseekers' allowance or tax credits), although they can use public services like the NHS and education." https://fullfact.org/immigration/migration-and-welfare-benefits/ 2......It was Japans FTA that caused the closure of Honda, if it was because of Brexit they'd move the factory to Turkey :-| ........But they're ceasing production there to aren't they? *-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:53 PM It’s not just about the money though is it Dave? Protection for part-time workers, the working time directive and other measures that prevent exploitation of the vulnerable and the desperate. And if Brexit happens what’s the betting that the big boys will secure immigration rules that allow them to recruit cheap labour from anywhere in the world and from places that have a much higher “poor population” than the countries of Eastern Europe? Really? *-) ..........Why were zero hours contracts able to flourish???? :-| ........ Because big business had a unlimited cheap labor supply from the EU >:-) ......... It's only because that supply is drying up big business is having to provide contracts and pay rises to retain workers B-) ........ So another Brexit Bonus for the little guy B-) ....... But of course you cant see that with your Remoaner blinkers on (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 This would be Matthew Lynn who famously predicted that Apple Inc. "…will sell a few to its fans, but the iPhone won't make a long-term mark on the industry." I prefer to get my financial advice from economists rather than thriller writers, but I know you don't like proper experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-01 7:46 PM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 6:37 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 5:07 PM Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. The average Joe has already benefited from Brexit as it has decreased the supply of cheap EU labour, which in turn has increased their wages ;-) ......... You forgot to mention that migration of non-EU to UK has increased. You simply swapped one set of 'johnny foreigner' types you didn't like, for another you don't like. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679 Those 7000 people you threw out of work in Swindon would be among your 'average Joe'. Please explain how they will benefit from losing their jobs, their income, their homes, their childrens education wrecked, and their futures trashed? 1.....The other set of Johnny Foreigners will not be able to claim benefits after just 3 months ;-) ....... "Most non-EU nationals who are subject to immigration control are not allowed access to "public funds" (such as jobseekers' allowance or tax credits), although they can use public services like the NHS and education." https://fullfact.org/immigration/migration-and-welfare-benefits/ Do you ever read any of your own links? Oh i forgot, of course you don't....just look for whatever appears to fit your narrative without reading through. Had you done so you'd see the percentage of non-EU benefit claimants is much higher than those from the EU. EU migrants also contribute £2,300 per person more to the UK economy than the average UK citizen who contributes £70 less....and non-EU migrant £800 per person less. The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero. Taken together, this means that the migrants who arrived in 2016 will make a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the entirety of their stay. The value of this to the UK’s public finances is equivalent to putting approximately 5p on income tax rates (across all marginal rate bands) in that year. https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba 2......It was Japans FTA that caused the closure of Honda, if it was because of Brexit they'd move the factory to Turkey :-| ........But they're ceasing production there to aren't they? *-) ....... No it wasn't and you know damn well it wasn't. UK had FTA's with the EU but post referendum and Brexit put those FTA's at risk for companies needing to produce and have access to a large market (Europe). Because UK continued along a path of financial suicide, Honda quite understandably moved their business out where they could continue production and marketing. Why else did your Brexit pal Dyson decide not to come back to the UK to produce his electric car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-04-01 8:13 PM This would be Matthew Lynn who famously predicted that Apple Inc. "…will sell a few to its fans, but the iPhone won't make a long-term mark on the industry." I prefer to get my financial advice from economists rather than thriller writers, but I know you don't like proper experts. That reminds me of another infamous quote when John Lennons Aunt Mimi once said to him, "Playing the guitar is all very well, John, but you'll never make a living at it.” (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 8:54 PM Do you ever read any of your own links? Yep ........Just read this bit ;-) ........ "People born abroad are more likely to receive tax credits than people born in the UK" :-| ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 8:54 PM No it wasn't and you know damn well it wasn't. UK had FTA's with the EU but post referendum and Brexit put those FTA's at risk for companies needing to produce and have access to a large market (Europe). Because UK continued along a path of financial suicide, Honda quite understandably moved their business out where they could continue production and marketing. Yes it was.......and you damn well know it >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-01 9:40 PM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 8:54 PM Do you ever read any of your own links? Yep ........Just read this bit ;-) ........ "People born abroad are more likely to receive tax credits than people born in the UK" :-| ........ To qualify for tax credits they must also work at least 16 hours a week so would still be contributing to that £26.9 billion of UK economy. An awkward inconvenience for you eh? Yes those two words, "this bit", sums up your selective quoting as you've totally ignored the facts supplied on the fiscal impact study by Oxford economists because nothing there suits your narrative. You want so badly to portray EU workers in UK as benefit scroungers when nothing is further from the truth so you peddle your lies and feed off whatever xenophobic clap trap you can dream up to fit your narrative. DWP statistics show that as of February 2015, just over 5 million people were claiming welfare benefits; of those, about 370,000 (7.2 per cent) were non-UK nationals (at the time that they registered for a National Insurance number; and of those, only 114,000 (2.2 percent of the total) were EU nationals. Since those born abroad make up 16 percent of the working age population, and those born in the EU make up about 6 percent, it can be seen that migrants of both types are considerably less likely to claim out-of-work benefits. Which once again, pisses on your fire of xenophobia. https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/migrants-benefits-and-uks-renegotiation-questions-and-answers-updated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-01 9:41 PM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 8:54 PM UK had FTA's with the EU but post referendum and Brexit put those FTA's at risk for companies needing to produce and have access to a large market (Europe). Because UK continued along a path of financial suicide, Honda quite understandably moved their business out where they could continue production and marketing. Yes they did.......and you damn well know it >:-) ........ Glad you agree.....after all the facts i provided are totally irrefutable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 11:11 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 9:40 PM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 8:54 PM Do you ever read any of your own links? Yep ........Just read this bit ;-) ........ "People born abroad are more likely to receive tax credits than people born in the UK" :-| ........ To qualify for tax credits they must also work at least 16 hours a week so would still be contributing to that £26.9 billion of UK economy. An awkward inconvenience for you eh? Yes those two words, "this bit", sums up your selective quoting as you've totally ignored the facts supplied on the fiscal impact study by Oxford economists because nothing there suits your narrative. You want so badly to portray EU workers in UK as benefit scroungers when nothing is further from the truth so you peddle your lies and feed off whatever xenophobic clap trap you can dream up to fit your narrative. DWP statistics show that as of February 2015, just over 5 million people were claiming welfare benefits; of those, about 370,000 (7.2 per cent) were non-UK nationals (at the time that they registered for a National Insurance number; and of those, only 114,000 (2.2 percent of the total) were EU nationals. Since those born abroad make up 16 percent of the working age population, and those born in the EU make up about 6 percent, it can be seen that migrants of both types are considerably less likely to claim out-of-work benefits. Which once again, pisses on your fire of xenophobia. https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/migrants-benefits-and-uks-renegotiation-questions-and-answers-updated Looks to me like our Charity funded economists need to get their facts sorted ;-) ......... Either charity funded Full Facts is Correct ......Or Charity funded National institute of Research is :D ........ BTW how much do you think a family of 4, with one person working 16 hours a week on minimum wage contributes to UKPLC? ;-) ...... Just askin a awkward question :D ........ But I guess to you're shallow mind, just asking that question is xenophobic? (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-04-01 8:13 PM This would be Matthew Lynn who famously predicted that Apple Inc. "…will sell a few to its fans, but the iPhone won't make a long-term mark on the industry." I prefer to get my financial advice from economists rather than thriller writers, but I know you don't like proper experts. What's the difference between a thriller writer and a Remoaner economist? ;-) ......... The thriller writer "knows" his story is fiction (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 6:37 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 5:07 PM Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. The average Joe has already benefited from Brexit as it has decreased the supply of cheap EU labour, which in turn has increased their wages ;-) ......... You forgot to mention that migration of non-EU to UK has increased. You simply swapped one set of 'johnny foreigner' types you didn't like, for another you don't like. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679 Those 7000 people you threw out of work in Swindon would be among your 'average Joe'. Please explain how they will benefit from losing their jobs, their income, their homes, their childrens education wrecked, and their futures trashed? I keep trying to tell Dave that by decreasing EU migration none EU migration will and has gone up as you have rightly pointed out yet again. He seems to think thats ok as we dont have to pay them benefits after three months but we dont have to keep an EU migrant after three months if they fail to find work either. Anyway Ive modified the ONS migration chart so maybe the penny will drop now. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-04-02 11:20 AM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 6:37 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 5:07 PM Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. The average Joe has already benefited from Brexit as it has decreased the supply of cheap EU labour, which in turn has increased their wages ;-) ......... You forgot to mention that migration of non-EU to UK has increased. You simply swapped one set of 'johnny foreigner' types you didn't like, for another you don't like. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679 Those 7000 people you threw out of work in Swindon would be among your 'average Joe'. Please explain how they will benefit from losing their jobs, their income, their homes, their childrens education wrecked, and their futures trashed? I keep trying to tell Dave that by decreasing EU migration none EU migration will and has gone up as you have rightly pointed out yet again. He seems to think thats ok as we dont have to pay them benefits after three months but we dont have to keep an EU migrant after three months if they fail to find work either. Anyway Ive modified the ONS migration chart so maybe the penny will drop now. :D Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-02 8:33 AM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 11:11 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 9:40 PM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 8:54 PM Do you ever read any of your own links? Yep ........Just read this bit ;-) ........ "People born abroad are more likely to receive tax credits than people born in the UK" :-| ........ To qualify for tax credits they must also work at least 16 hours a week so would still be contributing to that £26.9 billion of UK economy. An awkward inconvenience for you eh? Yes those two words, "this bit", sums up your selective quoting as you've totally ignored the facts supplied on the fiscal impact study by Oxford economists because nothing there suits your narrative. You want so badly to portray EU workers in UK as benefit scroungers when nothing is further from the truth so you peddle your lies and feed off whatever xenophobic clap trap you can dream up to fit your narrative. DWP statistics show that as of February 2015, just over 5 million people were claiming welfare benefits; of those, about 370,000 (7.2 per cent) were non-UK nationals (at the time that they registered for a National Insurance number; and of those, only 114,000 (2.2 percent of the total) were EU nationals. Since those born abroad make up 16 percent of the working age population, and those born in the EU make up about 6 percent, it can be seen that migrants of both types are considerably less likely to claim out-of-work benefits. Which once again, pisses on your fire of xenophobia. https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/migrants-benefits-and-uks-renegotiation-questions-and-answers-updated Looks to me like our Charity funded economists need to get their facts sorted ;-) ......... Either charity funded Full Facts is Correct ......Or Charity funded National institute of Research is :D ........ In other words you couldn't find anything to refute that report so attack it for being charity funded. That it's been established over 80 years, totally independent of any political party influence and with long and glowing history of economic research world wide seems not to matter to you. BTW how much do you think a family of 4, with one person working 16 hours a week on minimum wage contributes to UKPLC? ;-) ...... Just askin a awkward question :D ........ But I guess to you're shallow mind, just asking that question is xenophobic? (lol) .......... The figures have been clearly stated in my previous post. The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero. Migrants who arrived in 2016 will make a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the entirety of their stay. The value of this to the UK’s public finances is equivalent to putting approximately 5p on income tax rates (across all marginal rate bands) in that year. You don't want any immigrant workers coming to UK so you need to explain how you intend to address the £26.9 billion shortfall those people contributed to the UK economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-04-02 1:57 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-02 8:33 AM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 11:11 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 9:40 PM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 8:54 PM Do you ever read any of your own links? Yep ........Just read this bit ;-) ........ "People born abroad are more likely to receive tax credits than people born in the UK" :-| ........ To qualify for tax credits they must also work at least 16 hours a week so would still be contributing to that £26.9 billion of UK economy. An awkward inconvenience for you eh? Yes those two words, "this bit", sums up your selective quoting as you've totally ignored the facts supplied on the fiscal impact study by Oxford economists because nothing there suits your narrative. You want so badly to portray EU workers in UK as benefit scroungers when nothing is further from the truth so you peddle your lies and feed off whatever xenophobic clap trap you can dream up to fit your narrative. DWP statistics show that as of February 2015, just over 5 million people were claiming welfare benefits; of those, about 370,000 (7.2 per cent) were non-UK nationals (at the time that they registered for a National Insurance number; and of those, only 114,000 (2.2 percent of the total) were EU nationals. Since those born abroad make up 16 percent of the working age population, and those born in the EU make up about 6 percent, it can be seen that migrants of both types are considerably less likely to claim out-of-work benefits. Which once again, pisses on your fire of xenophobia. https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/migrants-benefits-and-uks-renegotiation-questions-and-answers-updated Looks to me like our Charity funded economists need to get their facts sorted ;-) ......... Either charity funded Full Facts is Correct ......Or Charity funded National institute of Research is :D ........ In other words you couldn't find anything to refute that report so attack it for being charity funded. That it's been established over 80 years, totally independent of any political party influence and with long and glowing history of economic research world wide seems not to matter to you. BTW how much do you think a family of 4, with one person working 16 hours a week on minimum wage contributes to UKPLC? ;-) ...... Just askin a awkward question :D ........ But I guess to you're shallow mind, just asking that question is xenophobic? (lol) .......... The figures have been clearly stated in my previous post. The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero. Migrants who arrived in 2016 will make a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the entirety of their stay. The value of this to the UK’s public finances is equivalent to putting approximately 5p on income tax rates (across all marginal rate bands) in that year. You don't want any immigrant workers coming to UK so you need to explain how you intend to address the £26.9 billion shortfall those people contributed to the UK economy. Full Facts says "People born abroad are more likely to receive tax credits than people born in the UK"..... That'll be people born in the EU as non EU folk are NOT allowed to claim tax credits after just 3 months........ So who's correct? ;-) ........ BTW you haven't answered my question...... how much does a family of 4 with one person working 16 hours a week, but receiving tax credits contribute to the UKPLC? >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-04-02 11:20 AM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 6:37 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 5:07 PM Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. The average Joe has already benefited from Brexit as it has decreased the supply of cheap EU labour, which in turn has increased their wages ;-) ......... You forgot to mention that migration of non-EU to UK has increased. You simply swapped one set of 'johnny foreigner' types you didn't like, for another you don't like. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679 Those 7000 people you threw out of work in Swindon would be among your 'average Joe'. Please explain how they will benefit from losing their jobs, their income, their homes, their childrens education wrecked, and their futures trashed? I keep trying to tell Dave that by decreasing EU migration none EU migration will and has gone up as you have rightly pointed out yet again. He seems to think thats ok as we dont have to pay them benefits after three months but we dont have to keep an EU migrant after three months if they fail to find work either. Anyway Ive modified the ONS migration chart so maybe the penny will drop now. :D Net migration is stable ;-) ........ Migration by those who have automatic access to our benefit system after just 3 months has dropped B-) .......... BTW your graphic makes you look more than a little racist >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-04-02 2:38 PM Barryd999 - 2019-04-02 11:20 AM Bulletguy - 2019-04-01 6:37 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 5:07 PM Violet1956 - 2019-04-01 5:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-04-01 4:37 PM https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/believe-in-the-post-brexit-bounce/ :D ......... What wonderful difference would it make for those on the breadline and to those who manage to keep their jobs in the predicted "more competitive tax rules and relaxed labour laws". I'm surprised at you Dave, you seem to be championing what the remainers told you would be the result for the ordinary Joe in the street. Them coals will always go to Newcastle or more accurately the millions to be made out of the misfortune of others will end up somewhere like the Cayman Islands. The average Joe has already benefited from Brexit as it has decreased the supply of cheap EU labour, which in turn has increased their wages ;-) ......... You forgot to mention that migration of non-EU to UK has increased. You simply swapped one set of 'johnny foreigner' types you didn't like, for another you don't like. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679 Those 7000 people you threw out of work in Swindon would be among your 'average Joe'. Please explain how they will benefit from losing their jobs, their income, their homes, their childrens education wrecked, and their futures trashed? I keep trying to tell Dave that by decreasing EU migration none EU migration will and has gone up as you have rightly pointed out yet again. He seems to think thats ok as we dont have to pay them benefits after three months but we dont have to keep an EU migrant after three months if they fail to find work either. Anyway Ive modified the ONS migration chart so maybe the penny will drop now. :D Net migration is stable ;-) ........ Migration by those who have automatic access to our benefit system after just 3 months has dropped B-) .......... BTW your graphic makes you look more than a little racist >:-) ........ Is a Mr Bean Osama Bin Laden lookalike racist? It could be a bit racist but I thought that was ok on here. (lol) I just thought it might explain things clearly for you with pictures. Clearly not though. How many EU migrants claim benefits Dave? Not that many as they generally come here to work and the cost of those that do manage to claim benefits is tiny in comparison to how much Brexit has cost us. What is it now £600m a week? Liken it to having a broken fingernail and chopping your entire arm off at the shoulder to fix it. As Bullet has rightly pointed out the net benefit of EU migrants is much higher than none EU and higher still than native Brits. You think though it would be better to have none EU workers though simply because we wouldnt have to pay them benefits after three months. Thats crackers. We are not obliged to pay EU workers benefits indefinitely anyway if they cant find work in three months. If they are successful its limited to three months anyway. So if your a non EU worker and as you say cannot (well are unlikely but not impossible) claim benefits what are you going to do if you end up out of work? Enter the work black market or even worse turn to crime? What you really want is no immigrants but probably didnt consider at the time of voting out that we cannot function without them so all your Brexit has done is what my (a bit) racist graphic shows. Swapped one lot of immigrants for a less profitable lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-04-02 2:55 PM How many EU migrants claim benefits Dave? Not that many as they generally come here to work and the cost of those that do manage to claim benefits is tiny in comparison to how much Brexit has cost us. What is it now £600m a week? If Brexit is costing us £600 million a week........why is our economy out performing Germany? (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... It's a b*gger when your propaganda doesn't match up to reality isn't it? >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-04-02 2:55 PM So if your a non EU worker and as you say cannot (well are unlikely but not impossible) claim benefits what are you going to do if you end up out of work? Enter the work black market or even worse turn to crime? . You mean like those EU tramps we cant kick out *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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