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Bercow’s last stand.
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userjumpstart
Posted: 18 March 2019 5:58 PM
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So the speaker will only allow a fundermentally changed motion to vote on . So here comes no deal by accident.
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Posted: 18 March 2019 6:53 PM
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jumpstart - 2019-03-18 5:58 PM

So the speaker will only allow a fundermentally changed motion to vote on . So here comes no deal by accident.


Great init ........

All the political classes will actually achieve what us Brexiteers want because of their slope shoulders .........

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Posted: 18 March 2019 11:34 PM
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You seem to have forgotten that we reserve the right to revoke article 50 if we want to or "have to".

Parliament voted out no deal. Whilst this does not stop it being the default position if we do nothing the point is we wont "do nothing". An extension will almost certainly happen but if for some reason it does not there is nothing stopping us stopping Brexit in its tracks if that is the only option. As you are aware there is no majority for No deal in Parliament and unless they do decide to hand it back to the public it will be them making the final choice.

Edited by Barryd999 2019-03-18 11:35 PM
userpelmetman
Posted: 19 March 2019 9:11 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-18 11:34 PM

You seem to have forgotten that we reserve the right to revoke article 50 if we want to or "have to".

Parliament voted out no deal. Whilst this does not stop it being the default position if we do nothing the point is we wont "do nothing". An extension will almost certainly happen but if for some reason it does not there is nothing stopping us stopping Brexit in its tracks if that is the only option. As you are aware there is no majority for No deal in Parliament and unless they do decide to hand it back to the public it will be them making the final choice.


Who ever presses that button will be collecting their P45 .........

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Posted: 19 March 2019 10:06 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-19 9:11 AM

Barryd999 - 2019-03-18 11:34 PM

You seem to have forgotten that we reserve the right to revoke article 50 if we want to or "have to".

Parliament voted out no deal. Whilst this does not stop it being the default position if we do nothing the point is we wont "do nothing". An extension will almost certainly happen but if for some reason it does not there is nothing stopping us stopping Brexit in its tracks if that is the only option. As you are aware there is no majority for No deal in Parliament and unless they do decide to hand it back to the public it will be them making the final choice.


Who ever presses that button will be collecting their P45 .........



How do you work that one out? Chances are if it happens it will be parliament that will vote to revoke it as it was Parliament that invoked it. Are you going to sack them all? For a kick off over half the country will be delighted, a lot wont care, a lot of half hearted Brexiteers will probably be secretly relieved which just leaves the handful of rabid Jihadi Brexit at any cost die hards like yourself and if they are the ones on Nigels march there are only two minibuses full of them left.
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Posted: 19 March 2019 10:09 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-19 10:06 AM

pelmetman - 2019-03-19 9:11 AM

Barryd999 - 2019-03-18 11:34 PM

You seem to have forgotten that we reserve the right to revoke article 50 if we want to or "have to".

Parliament voted out no deal. Whilst this does not stop it being the default position if we do nothing the point is we wont "do nothing". An extension will almost certainly happen but if for some reason it does not there is nothing stopping us stopping Brexit in its tracks if that is the only option. As you are aware there is no majority for No deal in Parliament and unless they do decide to hand it back to the public it will be them making the final choice.


Who ever presses that button will be collecting their P45 .........



How do you work that one out? Chances are if it happens it will be parliament that will vote to revoke it as it was Parliament that invoked it. Are you going to sack them all? For a kick off over half the country will be delighted, a lot wont care, a lot of half hearted Brexiteers will probably be secretly relieved which just leaves the handful of rabid Jihadi Brexit at any cost die hards like yourself and if they are the ones on Nigels march there are only two minibuses full of them left.


Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........

userstarvin marvin
Posted: 19 March 2019 3:58 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-19 9:11 AM

Barryd999 - 2019-03-18 11:34 PM

You seem to have forgotten that we reserve the right to revoke article 50 if we want to or "have to".

Parliament voted out no deal. Whilst this does not stop it being the default position if we do nothing the point is we wont "do nothing". An extension will almost certainly happen but if for some reason it does not there is nothing stopping us stopping Brexit in its tracks if that is the only option. As you are aware there is no majority for No deal in Parliament and unless they do decide to hand it back to the public it will be them making the final choice.


Who ever presses that button will be collecting their P45 .........

She’s already, politically speaking, a dead woman walking. Lino, Leader in name only. Geddit?

userBarryd999
Posted: 19 March 2019 4:00 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-19 10:09 AM

Barryd999 - 2019-03-19 10:06 AM

pelmetman - 2019-03-19 9:11 AM

Barryd999 - 2019-03-18 11:34 PM

You seem to have forgotten that we reserve the right to revoke article 50 if we want to or "have to".

Parliament voted out no deal. Whilst this does not stop it being the default position if we do nothing the point is we wont "do nothing". An extension will almost certainly happen but if for some reason it does not there is nothing stopping us stopping Brexit in its tracks if that is the only option. As you are aware there is no majority for No deal in Parliament and unless they do decide to hand it back to the public it will be them making the final choice.


Who ever presses that button will be collecting their P45 .........



How do you work that one out? Chances are if it happens it will be parliament that will vote to revoke it as it was Parliament that invoked it. Are you going to sack them all? For a kick off over half the country will be delighted, a lot wont care, a lot of half hearted Brexiteers will probably be secretly relieved which just leaves the handful of rabid Jihadi Brexit at any cost die hards like yourself and if they are the ones on Nigels march there are only two minibuses full of them left.


Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........



No. Parliament could pass legislation that instructs the government to revoke article 50. Seems unlikely right now but as they have voted down no deal when there are no other options left what do you think they will do?

It could be that the government collapses before then though and your mate Corbyn takes over. Then you will get Brexit lite and Diane Abbot looking after our security. You might choose to stay in Spain then, if they will have you.
userjumpstart
Posted: 19 March 2019 5:35 PM
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She could end this sitting of parliament and then restart with the same motion.
She could call a snap election, which would mean the Eu would automatically grant an extension.
We could be hit by a meteorite.
Anyway basically within the next 100 years everyone alive today will be dead.
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 19 March 2019 7:58 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-19 10:09 AM.........……….Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........

Just for accuracy, the latest figure I could find, from the joint London and Sussex Universities analytical team, was that 57% of the roughly 125,000 Conservative party members would opt for a no-deal Brexit, if offered the choice between that, the withdrawal deal, and staying in.

The same poll revealed that if offered the same choice, 88% of the roughly 550,000 Labour party members would support remain.

Trick question . What is larger, 57% of 125,000 or 88% of 550,000?

Neither, of course, proves anything other than how members of our two largest parties might vote if offered that chance - except to Dave, that is, who thinks the declared voting intentions of about 71,000 Conservative party members means that a no deal Brexit is on the cards. For reference, the UK electorate is about 46.8 million. So a simple majority requires 23.4million +1 votes.

You've quite a way to go yet, Dave! About 23.3 million votes to go, in fact!

Chickens, count, and hatched?
userpelmetman
Posted: 19 March 2019 9:21 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-03-19 7:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-19 10:09 AM.........……….Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........

Just for accuracy, the latest figure I could find, from the joint London and Sussex Universities analytical team, was that 57% of the roughly 125,000 Conservative party members would opt for a no-deal Brexit, if offered the choice between that, the withdrawal deal, and staying in.

The same poll revealed that if offered the same choice, 88% of the roughly 550,000 Labour party members would support remain.

Trick question . What is larger, 57% of 125,000 or 88% of 550,000?

Neither, of course, proves anything other than how members of our two largest parties might vote if offered that chance - except to Dave, that is, who thinks the declared voting intentions of about 71,000 Conservative party members means that a no deal Brexit is on the cards. For reference, the UK electorate is about 46.8 million. So a simple majority requires 23.4million +1 votes.

You've quite a way to go yet, Dave! About 23.3 million votes to go, in fact!

Chickens, count, and hatched?


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/04/most-tory-members-would-choose-no-deal-over-may-brexit-plan

You forget its us Tory members who will chose the next Tory leader .........

userjumpstart
Posted: 20 March 2019 7:15 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-03-19 7:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-19 10:09 AM.........……….Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........

Just for accuracy, the latest figure I could find, from the joint London and Sussex Universities analytical team, was that 57% of the roughly 125,000 Conservative party members would opt for a no-deal Brexit, if offered the choice between that, the withdrawal deal, and staying in.

The same poll revealed that if offered the same choice, 88% of the roughly 550,000 Labour party members would support remain.

Trick question . What is larger, 57% of 125,000 or 88% of 550,000?

Neither, of course, proves anything other than how members of our two largest parties might vote if offered that chance - except to Dave, that is, who thinks the declared voting intentions of about 71,000 Conservative party members means that a no deal Brexit is on the cards. For reference, the UK electorate is about 46.8 million. So a simple majority requires 23.4million +1 votes.

You've quite a way to go yet, Dave! About 23.3 million votes to go, in fact!

Chickens, count, and hatched?



I think a more interesting figure is that nearly 30 % of eleglible voters didn’t vote in the referendum. So what would happen if they did in a second vote?
userBarryd999
Posted: 20 March 2019 11:40 AM
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jumpstart - 2019-03-20 7:15 AM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-19 7:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-19 10:09 AM.........……….Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........

Just for accuracy, the latest figure I could find, from the joint London and Sussex Universities analytical team, was that 57% of the roughly 125,000 Conservative party members would opt for a no-deal Brexit, if offered the choice between that, the withdrawal deal, and staying in.

The same poll revealed that if offered the same choice, 88% of the roughly 550,000 Labour party members would support remain.

Trick question . What is larger, 57% of 125,000 or 88% of 550,000?

Neither, of course, proves anything other than how members of our two largest parties might vote if offered that chance - except to Dave, that is, who thinks the declared voting intentions of about 71,000 Conservative party members means that a no deal Brexit is on the cards. For reference, the UK electorate is about 46.8 million. So a simple majority requires 23.4million +1 votes.

You've quite a way to go yet, Dave! About 23.3 million votes to go, in fact!

Chickens, count, and hatched?



I think a more interesting figure is that nearly 30 % of eleglible voters didn’t vote in the referendum. So what would happen if they did in a second vote?


Research that targeted those that did not vote has shown a two to one leaning towards favouring remain. Peoples vote campaigners have targeted none voters and those that were marginally pro Brexit. In any second referendum campaign those would be the groups campaign efforts would be concentrated on.
userpelmetman
Posted: 20 March 2019 12:00 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-20 11:40 AM

jumpstart - 2019-03-20 7:15 AM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-19 7:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-19 10:09 AM.........……….Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........

Just for accuracy, the latest figure I could find, from the joint London and Sussex Universities analytical team, was that 57% of the roughly 125,000 Conservative party members would opt for a no-deal Brexit, if offered the choice between that, the withdrawal deal, and staying in.

The same poll revealed that if offered the same choice, 88% of the roughly 550,000 Labour party members would support remain.

Trick question . What is larger, 57% of 125,000 or 88% of 550,000?

Neither, of course, proves anything other than how members of our two largest parties might vote if offered that chance - except to Dave, that is, who thinks the declared voting intentions of about 71,000 Conservative party members means that a no deal Brexit is on the cards. For reference, the UK electorate is about 46.8 million. So a simple majority requires 23.4million +1 votes.

You've quite a way to go yet, Dave! About 23.3 million votes to go, in fact!

Chickens, count, and hatched?



I think a more interesting figure is that nearly 30 % of eleglible voters didn’t vote in the referendum. So what would happen if they did in a second vote?


Research that targeted those that did not vote has shown a two to one leaning towards favouring remain. Peoples vote campaigners have targeted none voters and those that were marginally pro Brexit. In any second referendum campaign those would be the groups campaign efforts would be concentrated on.


is that according to research that only asked Remain voters? .........

userBarryd999
Posted: 20 March 2019 12:47 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-20 12:00 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-03-20 11:40 AM

jumpstart - 2019-03-20 7:15 AM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-19 7:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-19 10:09 AM.........……….Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........

Just for accuracy, the latest figure I could find, from the joint London and Sussex Universities analytical team, was that 57% of the roughly 125,000 Conservative party members would opt for a no-deal Brexit, if offered the choice between that, the withdrawal deal, and staying in.

The same poll revealed that if offered the same choice, 88% of the roughly 550,000 Labour party members would support remain.

Trick question . What is larger, 57% of 125,000 or 88% of 550,000?

Neither, of course, proves anything other than how members of our two largest parties might vote if offered that chance - except to Dave, that is, who thinks the declared voting intentions of about 71,000 Conservative party members means that a no deal Brexit is on the cards. For reference, the UK electorate is about 46.8 million. So a simple majority requires 23.4million +1 votes.

You've quite a way to go yet, Dave! About 23.3 million votes to go, in fact!

Chickens, count, and hatched?



I think a more interesting figure is that nearly 30 % of eleglible voters didn’t vote in the referendum. So what would happen if they did in a second vote?


Research that targeted those that did not vote has shown a two to one leaning towards favouring remain. Peoples vote campaigners have targeted none voters and those that were marginally pro Brexit. In any second referendum campaign those would be the groups campaign efforts would be concentrated on.


is that according to research that only asked Remain voters? .........



Are you pished already? How could research into none voters or those that were marginal Brexit voters target remain voters numbnuts? One lot did not vote and the others are Brexiteers. I dont think the research was carried out by any remain organisation either.
userpelmetman
Posted: 20 March 2019 1:14 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-20 12:47 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-20 12:00 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-03-20 11:40 AM

jumpstart - 2019-03-20 7:15 AM

Brian Kirby - 2019-03-19 7:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-03-19 10:09 AM.........……….Only Mrs May can press the button ..............and 76% of us Tory members would prefer a No Deal to staying in the EU ..........

Just for accuracy, the latest figure I could find, from the joint London and Sussex Universities analytical team, was that 57% of the roughly 125,000 Conservative party members would opt for a no-deal Brexit, if offered the choice between that, the withdrawal deal, and staying in.

The same poll revealed that if offered the same choice, 88% of the roughly 550,000 Labour party members would support remain.

Trick question . What is larger, 57% of 125,000 or 88% of 550,000?

Neither, of course, proves anything other than how members of our two largest parties might vote if offered that chance - except to Dave, that is, who thinks the declared voting intentions of about 71,000 Conservative party members means that a no deal Brexit is on the cards. For reference, the UK electorate is about 46.8 million. So a simple majority requires 23.4million +1 votes.

You've quite a way to go yet, Dave! About 23.3 million votes to go, in fact!

Chickens, count, and hatched?



I think a more interesting figure is that nearly 30 % of eleglible voters didn’t vote in the referendum. So what would happen if they did in a second vote?


Research that targeted those that did not vote has shown a two to one leaning towards favouring remain. Peoples vote campaigners have targeted none voters and those that were marginally pro Brexit. In any second referendum campaign those would be the groups campaign efforts would be concentrated on.


is that according to research that only asked Remain voters? .........



Are you pished already? How could research into none voters or those that were marginal Brexit voters target remain voters numbnuts? One lot did not vote and the others are Brexiteers. I dont think the research was carried out by any remain organisation either.


You can get any answer you want from statistics ........

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