Bulletguy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Jeez....it just keeps going from bad to worse! 8-) Theresa May is facing a full-blown constitutional crisis after House of Commons Speaker John Bercow ruled that there is "an arguable case" her government acted in contempt of Parliament by not publishing legal advice on Brexit. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-latest-theresa-may-crisis-contempt-labour-conservative-parliament-government-a8665576.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 You could put Atilla the Hun in number 10 you would still have to get your proposal past the EU and Parliament and quite possibly the public at some stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Her actions have spoken louder than her words ;-) ......... Time for Boris or Moggy to take over B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Her actions have spoken louder than her words ;-) ......... Time for Boris or Moggy to take over B-) ........ Your lot have just been found in contempt so....guilty as charged. How many other offences have this shambolic set committed pursuing your insane race to the bottom in the name of Brexsh1t? And with clowns like that pair your personal wish for Kamikaze service would be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 5:29 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Her actions have spoken louder than her words ;-) ......... Time for Boris or Moggy to take over B-) ........ Your lot have just been found in contempt so....guilty as charged. How many other offences have this shambolic set committed pursuing your insane race to the bottom in the name of Brexsh1t? And with clowns like that pair your personal wish for Kamikaze service would be complete. Incorrect ;-) .........May's lot :D ...... So hopefully she'll get the boot B-) ............Then we can spend a few months having a leadership contest >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Her actions have spoken louder than her words ;-) ......... Time for Boris or Moggy to take over B-) ........ ..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them.. (.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..) https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/ (You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... >:-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Makes no odds now who is in charge. No deal is now officially dead. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054309/brexit-news-no-deal-brexit-vote-explained-dominic-grieve-theresa-may-eu-deal Grieve has saved the day. So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 pepe63 - 2018-12-04 5:41 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Her actions have spoken louder than her words ;-) ......... Time for Boris or Moggy to take over B-) ........ ..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them.. (.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..) https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/ (You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... >:-) ) Like I said earlier .......actions speak louder than words ;-) ............ As I said in that thread........."The answer is .......Vote UKIP" .............Very left wing (lol) ....... Plus it looks to me like Boris has come over to our way of thinking :D .......... Nice to see you still follow my every word though >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly? Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ;-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 pepe63 - 2018-12-04 5:41 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Her actions have spoken louder than her words ;-) ......... Time for Boris or Moggy to take over B-) ........ ..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them.. (.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..) https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/ (You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... >:-) ) Nothing new for Pelmethead.......he's always flown under two flags....a self-interested Judas Quisling turncoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM Makes no odds now who is in charge. No deal is now officially dead. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054309/brexit-news-no-deal-brexit-vote-explained-dominic-grieve-theresa-may-eu-deal Grieve has saved the day. So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bothe Eh despite voting against himself ? HYPOCRITE ? . Read your link properly before using this man as an example. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 6:51 PM pepe63 - 2018-12-04 5:41 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Her actions have spoken louder than her words ;-) ......... Time for Boris or Moggy to take over B-) ........ ..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them.. (.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..) https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/ (You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... >:-) ) Nothing new for Pelmethead.......he's always flown under two flags....a self-interested Judas Quisling turncoat. Any flag that hangs to the right suits me ;-) .......... Your the spineless surrender monkey >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 teflon2 - 2018-12-04 6:56 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM Makes no odds now who is in charge. No deal is now officially dead. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054309/brexit-news-no-deal-brexit-vote-explained-dominic-grieve-theresa-may-eu-deal Grieve has saved the day. So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Eh despite voting against himself ? HYPOCRITE ? . Read your link properly before using this man as an example. :-| You do realise May has just achieved history today by becoming the first government held in contempt? Individual politicians held in contempt used to be locked up but i doubt there's enough room for Mays lot. All because she's been hell bent on driving a coach and horses through parliamentary procedure which May and her cronies should be familiar with, but chose to ignore. Thankfully a glimmer of sound reasoning and some common sense prevails after an ECJ advocate general stated UK should be able to unilaterally cancel its withdrawal from the EU. It's about time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-04 7:02 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 6:51 PM pepe63 - 2018-12-04 5:41 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly B-) ........ Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit. Her actions have spoken louder than her words ;-) ......... Time for Boris or Moggy to take over B-) ........ ..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them.. (.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..) https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/ (You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... >:-) ) Nothing new for Pelmethead.......he's always flown under two flags....a self-interested Judas Quisling turncoat. Any flag that hangs to the right suits me ;-) .......... Your the spineless surrender monkey >:-) ........... What you mean is any flag which hangs only to your convenience more like. *-) You're a self-centred turncoat, the few readable posts you've made prove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly? Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ;-) ........... You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly? Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ;-) ........... You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today. Not quite Barry ... Hollywood headline but the fine detail reads a little different ... Hear it from the man himself and then ya might be able to keep it real ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly? Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ;-) ........... You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today. In correct ;-) ........... As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding >:-) ......... So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation B-) ........... 114 days to go......tick tock :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-05 9:21 AM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly? Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ;-) ........... You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today. In correct ;-) ........... As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding >:-) ......... So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation B-) ........... 114 days to go......tick tock :D ........ Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation. Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome. JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish) (lol) Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead. :D My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 1:04 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-05 9:21 AM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly? Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ;-) ........... You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today. In correct ;-) ........... As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding >:-) ......... So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation B-) ........... 114 days to go......tick tock :D ........ Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation. Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome. JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish) (lol) Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead. :D My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked. So not yesterdays dead but dead(ish) ... You ever thought your guilty of peddling the misinformation and lies you claim the leave side are guilty of and that you whinge so much about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 teflon2 - 2018-12-04 6:56 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM Makes no odds now who is in charge. No deal is now officially dead. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054309/brexit-news-no-deal-brexit-vote-explained-dominic-grieve-theresa-may-eu-deal Grieve has saved the day. So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bothe Eh despite voting against himself ? HYPOCRITE ? . Read your link properly before using this man as an example. :-| Two definitions of hypocrite. 1 a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2.a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements. Neither fits Grieve's stance. What he has actually done is to very publicly change his mind. That is not hypocrisy, it is bowing to reason. Too much name calling by Brexiters, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 1:04 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-05 9:21 AM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events. Government in contempt and has to show legal advice Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely) EU have also said we can keep our rebate. Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible. This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother. Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly? Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ;-) ........... You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today. In correct ;-) ........... As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding >:-) ......... So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation B-) ........... 114 days to go......tick tock :D ........ Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation. Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome. JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish) (lol) Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead. :D My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked. I guess we'll have to wait and see ;-) .......... Have you thought how stopping Brexit will play out with the 17.4 million who voted for it? :-| ......... If you Remoaners think stopping Brexit will mean you've won.......then your seriously deluded >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:44 PM.....................….I guess we'll have to wait and see ;-) .......... Have you thought how stopping Brexit will play out with the 17.4 million who voted for it? :-| ......... If you Remoaners think stopping Brexit will mean you've won.......then your seriously deluded >:-) ........ It won't be leavers or remainers who will win, Dave, it will UK Plc. It is now beginning to look as though Brexiters have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory but, as you say, we'll have to wait to see whether they eventually succeed. How will Bexiters react if Brexit is postponed to some indeterminate future date? Some will be very angry (perhaps just you and Antony! :-D), some will be relieved, and most will be somewhere between. How many fall into which group will depend on how/if we arrive at that decision, and how well it is explained why it is the overall better decision. Your final point was made by Farage before the referendum, which is why the claim that pushing for a second referendum was anti-democratic has always smacked of hypocrisy. I don't think anyone would fool themselves that those who had closed their minds before the facts, and continued to stick to their view despite the facts as they emerged, will ever change their minds. But, those with more open minds will be more liable to accept that it was a questionable idea, with potentially damaging outcomes, at the wrong time, with no compelling necessity driving it. At its core, Brexit now appears a completely unnecessary vanity project from which no-one would actually benefit, and many would probably lose. In the longer term, its effect on the wider population is liable to be more damaging to British politics and democracy than the upheavals of pulling Article 50 which, at present, would alter no-one's circumstances for the worse, while removing debilitating uncertainty for many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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