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userBulletguy
Posted: 3 December 2018 11:32 PM
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Jeez....it just keeps going from bad to worse!

Theresa May is facing a full-blown constitutional crisis after House of Commons Speaker John Bercow ruled that there is "an arguable case" her government acted in contempt of Parliament by not publishing legal advice on Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-latest-theresa-may-crisis-contempt-labour-conservative-parliament-government-a8665576.html
userpelmetman
Posted: 4 December 2018 8:12 AM
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With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........



userBulletguy
Posted: 4 December 2018 1:07 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.
userBarryd999
Posted: 4 December 2018 4:52 PM
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You could put Atilla the Hun in number 10 you would still have to get your proposal past the EU and Parliament and quite possibly the public at some stage.
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Posted: 4 December 2018 4:56 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.


Her actions have spoken louder than her words .........

Time for Boris or Moggy to take over ........

userBulletguy
Posted: 4 December 2018 5:29 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.


Her actions have spoken louder than her words .........

Time for Boris or Moggy to take over ........

Your lot have just been found in contempt so....guilty as charged. How many other offences have this shambolic set committed pursuing your insane race to the bottom in the name of Brexsh1t? And with clowns like that pair your personal wish for Kamikaze service would be complete.
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Posted: 4 December 2018 5:37 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 5:29 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.


Her actions have spoken louder than her words .........

Time for Boris or Moggy to take over ........

Your lot have just been found in contempt so....guilty as charged. How many other offences have this shambolic set committed pursuing your insane race to the bottom in the name of Brexsh1t? And with clowns like that pair your personal wish for Kamikaze service would be complete.


Incorrect .........May's lot ......

So hopefully she'll get the boot ............Then we can spend a few months having a leadership contest ..........

userpepe63
Posted: 4 December 2018 5:41 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.


Her actions have spoken louder than her words .........

Time for Boris or Moggy to take over ........


..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them..
(.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..)

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/

(You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... )
userBarryd999
Posted: 4 December 2018 6:25 PM
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Makes no odds now who is in charge. No deal is now officially dead.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054309/brexit-news-no-deal-brexit-vote-explained-dominic-grieve-theresa-may-eu-deal

Grieve has saved the day.

So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.
userpelmetman
Posted: 4 December 2018 6:27 PM
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pepe63 - 2018-12-04 5:41 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.


Her actions have spoken louder than her words .........

Time for Boris or Moggy to take over ........


..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them..
(.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..)

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/

(You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... )


Like I said earlier .......actions speak louder than words ............

As I said in that thread........."The answer is .......Vote UKIP" .............Very left wing .......

Plus it looks to me like Boris has come over to our way of thinking ..........

Nice to see you still follow my every word though .........

userBrian Kirby
Posted: 4 December 2018 6:38 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?
userpelmetman
Posted: 4 December 2018 6:42 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........

userBulletguy
Posted: 4 December 2018 6:51 PM
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pepe63 - 2018-12-04 5:41 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.


Her actions have spoken louder than her words .........

Time for Boris or Moggy to take over ........


..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them..
(.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..)

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/

(You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... )

Nothing new for Pelmethead.......he's always flown under two flags....a self-interested Judas Quisling turncoat.
userteflon2
Posted: 4 December 2018 6:56 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM

Makes no odds now who is in charge. No deal is now officially dead.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054309/brexit-news-no-deal-brexit-vote-explained-dominic-grieve-theresa-may-eu-deal

Grieve has saved the day.

So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bothe



Eh despite voting against himself ? HYPOCRITE ? . Read your link properly before using this man as an example.
userpelmetman
Posted: 4 December 2018 7:02 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 6:51 PM

pepe63 - 2018-12-04 5:41 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.


Her actions have spoken louder than her words .........

Time for Boris or Moggy to take over ........


..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them..
(.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..)

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/

(You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... )

Nothing new for Pelmethead.......he's always flown under two flags....a self-interested Judas Quisling turncoat.


Any flag that hangs to the right suits me ..........

Your the spineless surrender monkey ...........

userBulletguy
Posted: 4 December 2018 10:29 PM
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teflon2 - 2018-12-04 6:56 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM

Makes no odds now who is in charge. No deal is now officially dead.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054309/brexit-news-no-deal-brexit-vote-explained-dominic-grieve-theresa-may-eu-deal

Grieve has saved the day.

So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.


Eh despite voting against himself ? HYPOCRITE ? . Read your link properly before using this man as an example.

You do realise May has just achieved history today by becoming the first government held in contempt? Individual politicians held in contempt used to be locked up but i doubt there's enough room for Mays lot. All because she's been hell bent on driving a coach and horses through parliamentary procedure which May and her cronies should be familiar with, but chose to ignore.

Thankfully a glimmer of sound reasoning and some common sense prevails after an ECJ advocate general stated UK should be able to unilaterally cancel its withdrawal from the EU. It's about time too.
userBulletguy
Posted: 4 December 2018 10:38 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 7:02 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 6:51 PM

pepe63 - 2018-12-04 5:41 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:56 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 1:07 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:12 AM

With a bit of luck Theresa the Appeaser will finally get the push, and we can get a Brexiteer into do the job properly ........

Didn't take you long from 'anointing' her as a "Saint" to now vilifying her as an "Appeaser". The fickleness of a Brexiteer and Brexit.


Her actions have spoken louder than her words .........

Time for Boris or Moggy to take over ........


..Hmmm..Boris eh?...so you've changed your tune on him as well them..
(.."..he'd sell his granny if he could find a buyer.."..)

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Would-you-really-want-Boris-as-PM-/34260/

(You sound positively left wing in that thread....It's amazing how renting out their house, and the prospect of inheriting their MiL's bungalow can change some people..... )

Nothing new for Pelmethead.......he's always flown under two flags....a self-interested Judas Quisling turncoat.


Any flag that hangs to the right suits me ..........

Your the spineless surrender monkey ...........

What you mean is any flag which hangs only to your convenience more like.

You're a self-centred turncoat, the few readable posts you've made prove that.
userBarryd999
Posted: 4 December 2018 10:38 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.
userantony1969
Posted: 5 December 2018 6:26 AM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


Not quite Barry ... Hollywood headline but the fine detail reads a little different ... Hear it from the man himself and then ya might be able to keep it real ... https://twitter.com/StandUp4Brexit/status/1070097595681382400

Edited by antony1969 2018-12-05 6:36 AM
userpelmetman
Posted: 5 December 2018 9:21 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


In correct ...........

As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding .........

So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation ...........

114 days to go......tick tock ........



Edited by pelmetman 2018-12-05 9:24 AM
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Posted: 5 December 2018 1:04 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


In correct ...........

As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding .........

So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation ...........

114 days to go......tick tock ........



Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation.

Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome.

JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish)

Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead.

My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked.

Edited by Barryd999 2018-12-05 1:04 PM
userantony1969
Posted: 5 December 2018 2:19 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


In correct ...........

As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding .........

So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation ...........

114 days to go......tick tock ........



Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation.

Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome.

JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish)

Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead.

My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked.


So not yesterdays dead but dead(ish) ... You ever thought your guilty of peddling the misinformation and lies you claim the leave side are guilty of and that you whinge so much about
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Posted: 5 December 2018 3:38 PM
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teflon2 - 2018-12-04 6:56 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM

Makes no odds now who is in charge. No deal is now officially dead.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054309/brexit-news-no-deal-brexit-vote-explained-dominic-grieve-theresa-may-eu-deal

Grieve has saved the day.

So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bothe


Eh despite voting against himself ? HYPOCRITE ? . Read your link properly before using this man as an example.

Two definitions of hypocrite.
1 a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Neither fits Grieve's stance.

What he has actually done is to very publicly change his mind. That is not hypocrisy, it is bowing to reason.

Too much name calling by Brexiters, I think.
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Posted: 5 December 2018 3:44 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 9:21 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


In correct ...........

As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding .........

So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation ...........

114 days to go......tick tock ........



Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation.

Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome.

JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish)

Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead.

My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked.


I guess we'll have to wait and see ..........

Have you thought how stopping Brexit will play out with the 17.4 million who voted for it? .........

If you Remoaners think stopping Brexit will mean you've won.......then your seriously deluded ........

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Posted: 5 December 2018 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: Bercow says 'arguable case' government guilty of contempt
 


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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:44 PM.....................….I guess we'll have to wait and see ..........

Have you thought how stopping Brexit will play out with the 17.4 million who voted for it? .........

If you Remoaners think stopping Brexit will mean you've won.......then your seriously deluded ........

It won't be leavers or remainers who will win, Dave, it will UK Plc. It is now beginning to look as though Brexiters have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory but, as you say, we'll have to wait to see whether they eventually succeed.

How will Bexiters react if Brexit is postponed to some indeterminate future date? Some will be very angry (perhaps just you and Antony! ), some will be relieved, and most will be somewhere between. How many fall into which group will depend on how/if we arrive at that decision, and how well it is explained why it is the overall better decision.

Your final point was made by Farage before the referendum, which is why the claim that pushing for a second referendum was anti-democratic has always smacked of hypocrisy. I don't think anyone would fool themselves that those who had closed their minds before the facts, and continued to stick to their view despite the facts as they emerged, will ever change their minds. But, those with more open minds will be more liable to accept that it was a questionable idea, with potentially damaging outcomes, at the wrong time, with no compelling necessity driving it.

At its core, Brexit now appears a completely unnecessary vanity project from which no-one would actually benefit, and many would probably lose. In the longer term, its effect on the wider population is liable to be more damaging to British politics and democracy than the upheavals of pulling Article 50 which, at present, would alter no-one's circumstances for the worse, while removing debilitating uncertainty for many.
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Posted: 5 December 2018 5:05 PM
Subject: RE: Bercow says 'arguable case' government guilty of contempt
 


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antony1969 - 2018-12-05 2:19 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 1:04 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-05 9:21 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


In correct ...........

As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding .........

So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation ...........

114 days to go......tick tock ........



Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation.

Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome.

JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish)

Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead.

My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked.


So not yesterdays dead but dead(ish) ... You ever thought your guilty of peddling the misinformation and lies you claim the leave side are guilty of and that you whinge so much about


It is pretty much dead. How many times have we heard you Brexiteers saying "its definitely going to be no deal" etc or that we will definitely be leaving on March 29th? Truth is its changing by the hour so nothing is 100% certain but Brexit took a proper bashing yesterday, the public are turning against it and the options for a crash out Brexit or any Brexit are quickly disappearing
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Posted: 5 December 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Bercow says 'arguable case' government guilty of contempt
 


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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:44 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 1:04 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-05 9:21 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


In correct ...........

As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding .........

So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation ...........

114 days to go......tick tock ........



Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation.

Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome.

JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish)

Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead.

My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked.


I guess we'll have to wait and see ..........

Have you thought how stopping Brexit will play out with the 17.4 million who voted for it? .........

If you Remoaners think stopping Brexit will mean you've won.......then your seriously deluded ........



I'm not interested in "winning" something just stopping my country doing itself huge self harm for no gain whatsoever. We will just return to normal, nobody will have won or lost anything we will have just averted certain catastrophic damage.
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Posted: 5 December 2018 5:11 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 5:05 PM

antony1969 - 2018-12-05 2:19 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 1:04 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-05 9:21 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


In correct ...........

As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding .........

So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation ...........

114 days to go......tick tock ........



Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation.

Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome.

JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish)

Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead.

My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked.


So not yesterdays dead but dead(ish) ... You ever thought your guilty of peddling the misinformation and lies you claim the leave side are guilty of and that you whinge so much about


It is pretty much dead. How many times have we heard you Brexiteers saying "its definitely going to be no deal" etc or that we will definitely be leaving on March 29th? Truth is its changing by the hour so nothing is 100% certain but Brexit took a proper bashing yesterday, the public are turning against it and the options for a crash out Brexit or any Brexit are quickly disappearing


114 days to go........I always expected it to get messy ............

My guess is Mrs May will eventually get the push........even she's not daft enough to call an election ..........

So it'll be a leadership challenge ..........

Maybe that 15 quid will prove to be a good investment .........

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Posted: 5 December 2018 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Bercow says 'arguable case' government guilty of contempt
 


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Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 5:07 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:44 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 1:04 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-05 9:21 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 10:38 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 6:42 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:38 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 6:25 PM..................So lets recap on todays events.

Government in contempt and has to show legal advice
Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally (yet to be confirmed by ECJ but most likely)
EU have also said we can keep our rebate.
Dominic Grieves amendment give Parliament control after Mays deal fails and renders No Deal impossible.

This doesn't necessarily mean Brexit is off of course but it could well mean the softest Brexit possible so in which case we may as well not bother.

Good summary Barry. What is the point of leaving on a basis that leaves us as a rule taker (about the only aspect of Brexit on which I agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg), with no say in formulating the rules, when it will cost us all money? For what, exactly?


Which is why No Deal is the only way to deliver what the 52% Voted for ...........



You keep assuming that everyone of those 17m+ voted for the same headbanger no deal you voted for. Its simply not true either in Parliament or with the public. Anyway it doesnt matter now as No Deal died today.


In correct ...........

As Raab and Leadsom confirmed this morning.......Grieves amendment is not "legally" binding .........

So its still May's deal......or......No Deal .........and seeing as May's deal is looking unlikely.......that means.........No Deal is the only option left without legislation ...........

114 days to go......tick tock ........



Apparently the legal advice they tried so hard to hide states that Parliament can force the government to withdraw A50 without any new legislation.

Add to that the upcoming ECJ ruling and the Grieve amendment and you get to no deal is the least possible outcome.

JP Morgan now have no deal at a 10% chance. No deal is dead. (ish)

Its all moving faster than anyone can keep up with and more and more complex so by Tea Time no deal might be very dead.

My guess is its going to be Mays Deal with maybe some different words on it or No Brexit or Article 50 gets extended or even revoked.


I guess we'll have to wait and see ..........

Have you thought how stopping Brexit will play out with the 17.4 million who voted for it? .........

If you Remoaners think stopping Brexit will mean you've won.......then your seriously deluded ........



I'm not interested in "winning" something just stopping my country doing itself huge self harm for no gain whatsoever. We will just return to normal, nobody will have won or lost anything we will have just averted certain catastrophic damage.


In your dreams Barry .........Pandora's box has been opened ........

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Posted: 5 December 2018 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Bercow says 'arguable case' government guilty of contempt
 


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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-05 4:30 PM

At its core, Brexit now appears a completely unnecessary vanity project from which no-one would actually benefit, and many would probably lose.


Well it would to a Federalist ...............

Do you like being British Brian? .........



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