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userpelmetman
Posted: 27 January 2019 1:12 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-27 12:47 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-22 3:42 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46958560


Just thought I would get this bad news posted before you know who does!


There you go...


https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?IR=T


Well seeing as I'm 60 and retired ..........

I guess I'm one of the 21% ........

As no doubt I'm classed as unemployed to .........

Having read the article it appears they include stay at home mum's, folk who are looking after a relative, folk who have decided to go back to school, folk who are ill, folk who are retired, and included us along with the professionally Bone Idle ...................and you talk about government distorting the figures? .............

Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-27 1:31 PM
userBulletguy
Posted: 27 January 2019 3:08 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 1:12 PM

HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-27 12:47 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-22 3:42 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46958560


Just thought I would get this bad news posted before you know who does!


There you go...


https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?IR=T


Well seeing as I'm 60 and retired ..........

I guess I'm one of the 21% ........

As no doubt I'm classed as unemployed to .........

Having read the article it appears they include stay at home mum's, folk who are looking after a relative, folk who have decided to go back to school, folk who are ill, folk who are retired, and included us along with the professionally Bone Idle ...................and you talk about government distorting the figures? .............

Employment

The number of people in employment in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS)
and consists of people aged 16 and over who did one hour or more of paid work per week (as an employee or self-employed), those who had a job that they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work. Employment levels and rates are published each month in the labour market statistical bulletin.
(source; ONS)

And that's how government massage employment figures.
userBarryd999
Posted: 27 January 2019 3:30 PM
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This is going to be the new Brexiteer tactic just to say "All is well" as everything falls apart. Even if you work one hour a week your classed as employed.

I see Tesco is sacking 15000 people and getting shot of its fish and meat counters. When companies like Tesco start making massive cuts in staff "all is not well".
userpelmetman
Posted: 27 January 2019 3:43 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 3:08 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 1:12 PM

HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-27 12:47 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-22 3:42 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46958560


Just thought I would get this bad news posted before you know who does!


There you go...


https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?IR=T


Well seeing as I'm 60 and retired ..........

I guess I'm one of the 21% ........

As no doubt I'm classed as unemployed to .........

Having read the article it appears they include stay at home mum's, folk who are looking after a relative, folk who have decided to go back to school, folk who are ill, folk who are retired, and included us along with the professionally Bone Idle ...................and you talk about government distorting the figures? .............

Employment

The number of people in employment in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS)
and consists of people aged 16 and over who did one hour or more of paid work per week (as an employee or self-employed), those who had a job that they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work. Employment levels and rates are published each month in the labour market statistical bulletin.
(source; ONS)

And that's how government massage employment figures.


Nope....... this is why government collects those figures ..........

"Users of labour market statistics include central and local government, economists, financial analysts, journalists, businesses, trade unions, employer associations, students, teachers, industrial tribunals, academic researchers and lobby groups.

These groups use statistics for the analysis, evaluation, monitoring and planning of the labour market and economy. Labour market statistics are also used for social analysis and help inform a range of government policies towards population groups of particular concern (women, young people, older people and jobless households)."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/methodologies/aguidetolabourmarketstatistics

Apparently they're also useful for soppy Socialists and Remoaners with doom & gloom an agenda .......

userpelmetman
Posted: 27 January 2019 3:47 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-27 3:30 PM

I see Tesco is sacking 15000 people and getting shot of its fish and meat counters. When companies like Tesco start making massive cuts in staff "all is not well".


Its all Brexits fault ............

I wonder why Lidl and Aldi are doing so well out of us xenophobic racists? ..........



userBulletguy
Posted: 27 January 2019 4:03 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 3:43 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 3:08 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 1:12 PM

HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-27 12:47 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-22 3:42 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46958560


Just thought I would get this bad news posted before you know who does!


There you go...


https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?IR=T


Well seeing as I'm 60 and retired ..........

I guess I'm one of the 21% ........

As no doubt I'm classed as unemployed to .........

Having read the article it appears they include stay at home mum's, folk who are looking after a relative, folk who have decided to go back to school, folk who are ill, folk who are retired, and included us along with the professionally Bone Idle ...................and you talk about government distorting the figures? .............

Employment

The number of people in employment in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS)
and consists of people aged 16 and over who did one hour or more of paid work per week (as an employee or self-employed), those who had a job that they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work. Employment levels and rates are published each month in the labour market statistical bulletin.
(source; ONS)

And that's how government massage employment figures.


Nope....... this is why government collects those figures ..........

"Users of labour market statistics include central and local government, economists, financial analysts, journalists, businesses, trade unions, employer associations, students, teachers, industrial tribunals, academic researchers and lobby groups.

These groups use statistics for the analysis, evaluation, monitoring and planning of the labour market and economy. Labour market statistics are also used for social analysis and help inform a range of government policies towards population groups of particular concern (women, young people, older people and jobless households)."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/methodologies/aguidetolabourmarketstatistics

Apparently they're also useful for soppy Socialists and Remoaners with doom & gloom an agenda .......

I'm impressed you actually bothered to search out the link but baffled as to why you're attempting to now disagree with the fact of how employment is measured when it's clearly stated in that link!! One hour per week now equals "employment".....even if unpaid.

(btw it's time you learned to use https://tinyurl.com/ to stop unnecessarily turning the forum page into a damn spreadsheet.)
userpelmetman
Posted: 27 January 2019 4:14 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 4:03 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 3:43 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 3:08 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 1:12 PM

HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-27 12:47 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-22 3:42 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46958560


Just thought I would get this bad news posted before you know who does!


There you go...


https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?IR=T


Well seeing as I'm 60 and retired ..........

I guess I'm one of the 21% ........

As no doubt I'm classed as unemployed to .........

Having read the article it appears they include stay at home mum's, folk who are looking after a relative, folk who have decided to go back to school, folk who are ill, folk who are retired, and included us along with the professionally Bone Idle ...................and you talk about government distorting the figures? .............

Employment

The number of people in employment in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS)
and consists of people aged 16 and over who did one hour or more of paid work per week (as an employee or self-employed), those who had a job that they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work. Employment levels and rates are published each month in the labour market statistical bulletin.
(source; ONS)

And that's how government massage employment figures.


Nope....... this is why government collects those figures ..........

"Users of labour market statistics include central and local government, economists, financial analysts, journalists, businesses, trade unions, employer associations, students, teachers, industrial tribunals, academic researchers and lobby groups.

These groups use statistics for the analysis, evaluation, monitoring and planning of the labour market and economy. Labour market statistics are also used for social analysis and help inform a range of government policies towards population groups of particular concern (women, young people, older people and jobless households)."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/methodologies/aguidetolabourmarketstatistics

Apparently they're also useful for soppy Socialists and Remoaners with doom & gloom an agenda .......

I'm impressed you actually bothered to search out the link but baffled as to why you're attempting to now disagree with the fact of how employment is measured when it's clearly stated in that link!! One hour per week now equals "employment".....even if unpaid.

(btw it's time you learned to use https://tinyurl.com/ to stop unnecessarily turning the forum page into a damn spreadsheet.)


I'm pointing out the fact that there's plenty of work out there for those who want it .............

Including those in your 21% who are stay at home mum's, looking after sick relatives or the self funded early retired like me etc etc ...........Just proves how desperate you Remoaners have become....... to distort the best employment figures for decades into bad news .........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-27 4:19 PM
userBulletguy
Posted: 27 January 2019 5:19 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:14 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 4:03 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 3:43 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 3:08 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 1:12 PM

HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-27 12:47 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-22 3:42 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46958560


Just thought I would get this bad news posted before you know who does!


There you go...


https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?IR=T


Well seeing as I'm 60 and retired ..........

I guess I'm one of the 21% ........

As no doubt I'm classed as unemployed to .........

Having read the article it appears they include stay at home mum's, folk who are looking after a relative, folk who have decided to go back to school, folk who are ill, folk who are retired, and included us along with the professionally Bone Idle ...................and you talk about government distorting the figures? .............

Employment

The number of people in employment in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS)
and consists of people aged 16 and over who did one hour or more of paid work per week (as an employee or self-employed), those who had a job that they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work. Employment levels and rates are published each month in the labour market statistical bulletin.
(source; ONS)

And that's how government massage employment figures.


Nope....... this is why government collects those figures ..........

"Users of labour market statistics include central and local government, economists, financial analysts, journalists, businesses, trade unions, employer associations, students, teachers, industrial tribunals, academic researchers and lobby groups.

These groups use statistics for the analysis, evaluation, monitoring and planning of the labour market and economy. Labour market statistics are also used for social analysis and help inform a range of government policies towards population groups of particular concern (women, young people, older people and jobless households)."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/methodologies/aguidetolabourmarketstatistics

Apparently they're also useful for soppy Socialists and Remoaners with doom & gloom an agenda .......

I'm impressed you actually bothered to search out the link but baffled as to why you're attempting to now disagree with the fact of how employment is measured when it's clearly stated in that link!! One hour per week now equals "employment".....even if unpaid.

(btw it's time you learned to use https://tinyurl.com/ to stop unnecessarily turning the forum page into a damn spreadsheet.)


I'm pointing out the fact that there's plenty of work out there for those who want it .............

We've done all that before and you lost. First you say employment is "at a record high" then in the next post you're contradicting yourself saying there's plenty of work. Now you've been shown just one hour a week counts as "employed" you might take time to re-think any future wild claims.

You can't have it both ways.
userpelmetman
Posted: 27 January 2019 5:39 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 5:19 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:14 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 4:03 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 3:43 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-27 3:08 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 1:12 PM

HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-27 12:47 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-22 3:42 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46958560


Just thought I would get this bad news posted before you know who does!


There you go...


https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?IR=T


Well seeing as I'm 60 and retired ..........

I guess I'm one of the 21% ........

As no doubt I'm classed as unemployed to .........

Having read the article it appears they include stay at home mum's, folk who are looking after a relative, folk who have decided to go back to school, folk who are ill, folk who are retired, and included us along with the professionally Bone Idle ...................and you talk about government distorting the figures? .............

Employment

The number of people in employment in the UK is measured by the Labour Force Survey (LFS)
and consists of people aged 16 and over who did one hour or more of paid work per week (as an employee or self-employed), those who had a job that they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work. Employment levels and rates are published each month in the labour market statistical bulletin.
(source; ONS)

And that's how government massage employment figures.


Nope....... this is why government collects those figures ..........

"Users of labour market statistics include central and local government, economists, financial analysts, journalists, businesses, trade unions, employer associations, students, teachers, industrial tribunals, academic researchers and lobby groups.

These groups use statistics for the analysis, evaluation, monitoring and planning of the labour market and economy. Labour market statistics are also used for social analysis and help inform a range of government policies towards population groups of particular concern (women, young people, older people and jobless households)."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/methodologies/aguidetolabourmarketstatistics

Apparently they're also useful for soppy Socialists and Remoaners with doom & gloom an agenda .......

I'm impressed you actually bothered to search out the link but baffled as to why you're attempting to now disagree with the fact of how employment is measured when it's clearly stated in that link!! One hour per week now equals "employment".....even if unpaid.

(btw it's time you learned to use https://tinyurl.com/ to stop unnecessarily turning the forum page into a damn spreadsheet.)


I'm pointing out the fact that there's plenty of work out there for those who want it .............

We've done all that before and you lost. First you say employment is "at a record high" then in the next post you're contradicting yourself saying there's plenty of work. Now you've been shown just one hour a week counts as "employed" you might take time to re-think any future wild claims.

You can't have it both ways.


Eh? ........

How is that a contradiction? .........

We have record employment and we have job vacancies ...........ie there's never been a better time to look for work ........

Kinda reminds me of the 60's when we never had it so good ...........

userBrian Kirby
Posted: 27 January 2019 5:57 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 5:39 PM...…………………..Kinda reminds me of the 60's when we never had it so good ...........

Somewhere up-sheet you sad your were 60, and retired. It is 2019 (just). 2019 - 60 = 1959. So in 1960 you were 1 and at the end of the 60s you were 11. You have a remarkable memory of the labour market for an 11 year old!
userpelmetman
Posted: 27 January 2019 6:17 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-27 5:57 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 5:39 PM...…………………..Kinda reminds me of the 60's when we never had it so good ...........

Somewhere up-sheet you sad your were 60, and retired. It is 2019 (just). 2019 - 60 = 1959. So in 1960 you were 1 and at the end of the 60s you were 11. You have a remarkable memory of the labour market for an 11 year old!


Soon to be 61 Brian ........

But I was brought up above the rented shop........in the rented flat.......So I was kinda brought up at the coal face .......

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Posted: 27 January 2019 6:22 PM
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That's unusual young'un?

None of the coal faces I worked on were on the first floor, the reverse actually, they were in a (very deep) cellar type thing.
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Posted: 27 January 2019 6:31 PM
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Ah but did you have shoes - and a cooked meal once a week or was life really tough!
userBarryd999
Posted: 27 January 2019 6:33 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 3:47 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-27 3:30 PM

I see Tesco is sacking 15000 people and getting shot of its fish and meat counters. When companies like Tesco start making massive cuts in staff "all is not well".


Its all Brexits fault ............

I wonder why Lidl and Aldi are doing so well out of us xenophobic racists? ..........





Probably because everyone is skint or maybe they are just getting used to eating dodgy sub standard food and drink in preparation of being force fed stuff with maggots and rat hairs in it from the US.

If Britain is booming so much like you seem to think it is why are there so many food banks appearing, 14 million people in poverty (4.5 million of which are in work!) and Victorian diseases like Rickets making a come back? Just because the ToryKippers are telling us we have never had it so good and everyone has a job doesn't mean its fecking true!

Your barmy Brexit will just make all those people worse off and even more miserable. Thats the tragedy of it. You probably wont care as you open another bottle of Cava from your semi domiciled residence on the Costas as long as all the funny foreigners piss off back home.
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 28 January 2019 11:10 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 6:17 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-27 5:57 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-27 5:39 PM...…………………..Kinda reminds me of the 60's when we never had it so good ...........

Somewhere up-sheet you sad your were 60, and retired. It is 2019 (just). 2019 - 60 = 1959. So in 1960 you were 1 and at the end of the 60s you were 11. You have a remarkable memory of the labour market for an 11 year old!

Soon to be 61 Brian ........
But I was brought up above the rented shop........in the rented flat.......So I was kinda brought up at the coal face .......

Ok, so at the end of the 60s you were possibly 12, not 11. Just into secondary education.
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