John52 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 .. into the worst death toll per capita of any of the world’s large economies, despite promising it to bereaved families since last July... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/16/pressure-mounts-on-boris-johnson-to-launch-coronavirus-inquiry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I think he is right,now is not the moment to have people's time spent having an enquiry. When we are all back to nearly normal then fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 There has to be an inquiry though I doubt it will do any good as Johnson and his cronies believe themselves to be beyond reproach and have absolutely zero moral scruples. They must be held to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 The scope will be widened to include anything remotely connected with Covid, the commencement will be delayed until it is "safe" to have all the relatives of the deceased gathered together, and the findings will be published in about 5 years time - if we're lucky. What is needed is a brief, clinical, forensic, examination of the key decisions taken, and how they were arrived at, to deliver its findings well before the next election. Cynic that I am, I can't see a sitting government, with a majority of 80 seats, being dragooned into agreeing anything along those lines. We'll be lucky if the findings are published before the next pandemic strikes - with no "lessons learned" along the way! Sorry! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-03-16 5:41 PM I think he is right,now is not the moment to have people's time spent having an enquiry. When we are all back to nearly normal then fine. The idea is that lessons would be learned to stop the Government keep making the same mistakes. They say they are 'guided by science' We need to know what science they were guided by so no one else follows it. Because it must be pretty bad science :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-03-16 6:11 PM The scope will be widened to include anything remotely connected with Covid, the commencement will be delayed until it is "safe" to have all the relatives of the deceased gathered together, and the findings will be published in about 5 years time - if we're lucky. What is needed is a brief, clinical, forensic, examination of the key decisions taken, and how they were arrived at, to deliver its findings well before the next election. Cynic that I am, I can't see a sitting government, with a majority of 80 seats, being dragooned into agreeing anything along those lines. We'll be lucky if the findings are published before the next pandemic strikes - with no "lessons learned" along the way! Sorry! :-D I guess you are right as usual Brian But the bereaved feel they have to do something However, I feel it will only cause them more anguish What is the point of having an inquiry with BoJo appointing the chair >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 John52 - 2021-03-16 7:52 PM jumpstart - 2021-03-16 5:41 PM I think he is right,now is not the moment to have people's time spent having an enquiry. When we are all back to nearly normal then fine. The idea is that lessons would be learned to stop the Government keep making the same mistakes. They say they are 'guided by science' We need to know what science they were guided by so no one else follows it. Because it must be pretty bad science :-( Good job we dont follow the EU bad science of halting AZ vaccinations and putting millions of people at risk don't you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-03-16 8:26 PM John52 - 2021-03-16 7:52 PM jumpstart - 2021-03-16 5:41 PM I think he is right,now is not the moment to have people's time spent having an enquiry. When we are all back to nearly normal then fine. The idea is that lessons would be learned to stop the Government keep making the same mistakes. They say they are 'guided by science' We need to know what science they were guided by so no one else follows it. Because it must be pretty bad science :-( Good job we dont follow the EU bad science of halting AZ vaccinations and putting millions of people at risk don't you think. Some EU countries have banned the Astra Zeneca vaccine but not all. Still, that’s sovereignty for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-03-16 8:26 PM John52 - 2021-03-16 7:52 PM jumpstart - 2021-03-16 5:41 PM I think he is right,now is not the moment to have people's time spent having an enquiry. When we are all back to nearly normal then fine. The idea is that lessons would be learned to stop the Government keep making the same mistakes. They say they are 'guided by science' We need to know what science they were guided by so no one else follows it. Because it must be pretty bad science :-( Good job we dont follow the EU bad science of halting AZ vaccinations and putting millions of people at risk don't you think. It's not about the EU, it's an inquiry about Johnsons handling of the pandemic in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 If they had agreed to a limited inquiry in the summer, as some people were requesting, a lot of the mistakes made from November onwards might have been avoided and a lot of people would still be alive. But this is a government that can never admit that anything they do is wrong, nor are you allowed to criticise them anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-03-16 9:29 PM jumpstart - 2021-03-16 8:26 PM John52 - 2021-03-16 7:52 PM jumpstart - 2021-03-16 5:41 PM I think he is right,now is not the moment to have people's time spent having an enquiry. When we are all back to nearly normal then fine. The idea is that lessons would be learned to stop the Government keep making the same mistakes. They say they are 'guided by science' We need to know what science they were guided by so no one else follows it. Because it must be pretty bad science :-( Good job we dont follow the EU bad science of halting AZ vaccinations and putting millions of people at risk don't you think. It's not about the EU, it's an inquiry about Johnsons handling of the pandemic in this country. It’s not about Johnson evading an enquiry because he’s not.....there isn’t one yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-03-16 6:11 PM The scope will be widened to include anything remotely connected with Covid, the commencement will be delayed until it is "safe" to have all the relatives of the deceased gathered together, and the findings will be published in about 5 years time - if we're lucky. I think you are a bit optimistic Brian. The inquiry is more likely to start in 5 years time - end in 10 years time - and the results ( heavily redacted ) published in 15 years time. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 John52 - 2021-03-16 5:32 PM .. into the worst death toll per capita of any of the world’s large economies, despite promising it to bereaved families since last July... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/16/pressure-mounts-on-boris-johnson-to-launch-coronavirus-inquiry Seeing as the 3rd wave is hitting Europe having a inquiry now is pointless *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-03-16 9:37 PM If they had agreed to a limited inquiry in the summer, as some people were requesting, a lot of the mistakes made from November onwards might have been avoided and a lot of people would still be alive. But this is a government that can never admit that anything they do is wrong, nor are you allowed to criticise them anymore. Its funny how you LOSERS are refusing to criticise EU Clots??? *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 malc d - 2021-03-16 9:38 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-03-16 6:11 PM The scope will be widened to include anything remotely connected with Covid, the commencement will be delayed until it is "safe" to have all the relatives of the deceased gathered together, and the findings will be published in about 5 years time - if we're lucky. I think you are a bit optimistic Brian. The inquiry is more likely to start in 5 years time - end in 10 years time - and the results ( heavily redacted ) published in 15 years time. :-( The EU might have finished their first round of vaccinations by then :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:03 AM John52 - 2021-03-16 5:32 PM .. into the worst death toll per capita of any of the world’s large economies, despite promising it to bereaved families since last July... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/16/pressure-mounts-on-boris-johnson-to-launch-coronavirus-inquiry Seeing as the 3rd wave is hitting Europe having a inquiry now is pointless *-) .......... That will be down to the spread of the N501Y variant also known as the British variant, something else we've given the world. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56019995 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-03-17 8:14 AM pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:03 AM John52 - 2021-03-16 5:32 PM .. into the worst death toll per capita of any of the world’s large economies, despite promising it to bereaved families since last July... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/16/pressure-mounts-on-boris-johnson-to-launch-coronavirus-inquiry Seeing as the 3rd wave is hitting Europe having a inquiry now is pointless *-) .......... That will be down to the spread of the N501Y variant also known as the British variant, something else we've given the world. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56019995 The FACT that the variant was discovered in Britain doesn't prove it mutated here *-) ....... Only NASTY LOSERS and the EU would try to suggest it did :-| ........... I guess it deflects from the FACT that the first variant mostly arrived from Italy, Spain and France 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-03-17 8:14 AM pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:03 AM John52 - 2021-03-16 5:32 PM .. into the worst death toll per capita of any of the world’s large economies, despite promising it to bereaved families since last July... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/16/pressure-mounts-on-boris-johnson-to-launch-coronavirus-inquiry Seeing as the 3rd wave is hitting Europe having a inquiry now is pointless *-) .......... That will be down to the spread of the N501Y variant also known as the British variant, something else we've given the world. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56019995 What complete rubbish....it’s because it was discovered and recorded here,could have mutated anywhere . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:07 AM malc d - 2021-03-16 9:38 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-03-16 6:11 PM The scope will be widened to include anything remotely connected with Covid, the commencement will be delayed until it is "safe" to have all the relatives of the deceased gathered together, and the findings will be published in about 5 years time - if we're lucky. I think you are a bit optimistic Brian. The inquiry is more likely to start in 5 years time - end in 10 years time - and the results ( heavily redacted ) published in 15 years time. :-( The EU might have finished their first round of vaccinations by then :D ......... I wonder if all the countries in the EU will finish vaccinations before we hear the results of the Grenfell Tower inquiry. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-03-16 9:37 PM If they had agreed to a limited inquiry in the summer, as some people were requesting, a lot of the mistakes made from November onwards might have been avoided and a lot of people would still be alive. But this is a government that can never admit that anything they do is wrong, nor are you allowed to criticise them anymore. Its funny how you LOSERS are refusing to criticise EU Clots??? *-) ......... Why are you changing the subject to the EU? But since you have, I suppose its necessary to point out you have shot yourself in the foot again. Because we know what science the EU was following What we need to know is what science BoJo is following to make sure no one else follows it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 John52 - 2021-03-17 9:12 AM pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-03-16 9:37 PM If they had agreed to a limited inquiry in the summer, as some people were requesting, a lot of the mistakes made from November onwards might have been avoided and a lot of people would still be alive. But this is a government that can never admit that anything they do is wrong, nor are you allowed to criticise them anymore. Its funny how you LOSERS are refusing to criticise EU Clots??? *-) ......... Why are you changing the subject to the EU? But since you have, I suppose its necessary to point out you have shot yourself in the foot again. Because we know what science the EU was following What we need to know is what science BoJo is following to make sure no one else follows it Would you rather Boris was following the EU's example? 8-) ............ You must be running out of feet to shoot (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Perhaps we detected the variant first because we have a more sensitive quicker analysing system than johnny foreigner. Brian B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 John52 - 2021-03-17 9:12 AM pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-03-16 9:37 PM If they had agreed to a limited inquiry in the summer, as some people were requesting, a lot of the mistakes made from November onwards might have been avoided and a lot of people would still be alive. But this is a government that can never admit that anything they do is wrong, nor are you allowed to criticise them anymore. Its funny how you LOSERS are refusing to criticise EU Clots??? *-) ......... Why are you changing the subject to the EU? But since you have, I suppose its necessary to point out you have shot yourself in the foot again. Because we know what science the EU was following What we need to know is what science BoJo is following to make sure no one else follows it Kindly explain what Science the EU countries are following in halting the Oxford vaccinations,putting millions at risk, even the WHO says there is no logic to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-03-17 9:31 AM John52 - 2021-03-17 9:12 AM pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-03-16 9:37 PM If they had agreed to a limited inquiry in the summer, as some people were requesting, a lot of the mistakes made from November onwards might have been avoided and a lot of people would still be alive. But this is a government that can never admit that anything they do is wrong, nor are you allowed to criticise them anymore. Its funny how you LOSERS are refusing to criticise EU Clots??? *-) ......... Why are you changing the subject to the EU? But since you have, I suppose its necessary to point out you have shot yourself in the foot again. Because we know what science the EU was following What we need to know is what science BoJo is following to make sure no one else follows it Kindly explain what Science the EU countries are following in halting the Oxford vaccinations,putting millions at risk, even the WHO says there is no logic to it? It is not EU countries, it is countries worldwide that have a different interpretation of the precautionary principle to others https://www.statista.com/chart/24420/astrazeneca-vaccine-suspensions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-03-17 9:20 AM John52 - 2021-03-17 9:12 AM pelmetman - 2021-03-17 8:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-03-16 9:37 PM If they had agreed to a limited inquiry in the summer, as some people were requesting, a lot of the mistakes made from November onwards might have been avoided and a lot of people would still be alive. But this is a government that can never admit that anything they do is wrong, nor are you allowed to criticise them anymore. Its funny how you LOSERS are refusing to criticise EU Clots??? *-) ......... Why are you changing the subject to the EU? But since you have, I suppose its necessary to point out you have shot yourself in the foot again. Because we know what science the EU was following What we need to know is what science BoJo is following to make sure no one else follows it Would you rather Boris was following the EU's example? 8-) ............ .... Yes because they have a lower death rate and less economic damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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