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Excellent news......wonder how many more in the rogues gallery we can hope to see dished their just desserts over their folly? I think an appropriate fine would be £350m and send Johnson to an NHS hospital doing unpaid work as a cleaner or porter for a few years. That should straighten his mind out.

 

Boris Johnson has been warned he faces private prosecution over his famous claim that the UK sends £350,000,000 a week to Brussels. Marcus Ball said he had notified the former foreign secretary on Saturday of his intention to bring a court case over alleged misconduct in public office.

 

Mr Ball alleges the claim, made or endorsed by Mr Johnson during the 2016 referendum campaign, that the UK ‘sends £350 million a week to the EU’ was knowingly false and made with the intention to sway votes.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/22/boris-johnson-could-face-prosecution-over-his-big-red-brexit-bus-8167982/

 

 

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Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 1:16 AM

 

 

Let's not make light of this Barry. Johnson and his cronies who've plunged the country into chaos through lying and deceiving now need to be held to account.

 

 

Pathetic semantics *-) ..........

 

Especially as its true that we hand over control of £350 million a week to the EU >:-) .........

 

 

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derek pringle - 2018-11-23 8:43 AM

 

Hi,

On a slightly different note, when the PM is asked about the 39/40 billion we are due to pay the EU she says nothing is agreed oil all is agreed and yet she says this money is to honour commitments already made. Does this mean we have to pay this money EVEN if we leave with no deal.?

cheers

derek

 

 

If we signed contracts saying we would pay - then surely we have no alternative.

 

:-|

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malc d - 2018-11-23 9:59 AM

 

derek pringle - 2018-11-23 8:43 AM

 

Hi,

On a slightly different note, when the PM is asked about the 39/40 billion we are due to pay the EU she says nothing is agreed oil all is agreed and yet she says this money is to honour commitments already made. Does this mean we have to pay this money EVEN if we leave with no deal.?

cheers

derek

 

 

If we signed contracts saying we would pay - then surely we have no alternative.

 

:-|

 

Only if its a legal requirement ... Some with far more knowledge on the legalities of it suggest its not a legal requirement ... Another thread on here talks of the legalities of revoking article 50 , cuts both ways

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pelmetman - 2018-11-23 8:36 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 1:16 AM

 

 

Let's not make light of this Barry. Johnson and his cronies who've plunged the country into chaos through lying and deceiving now need to be held to account.

 

 

Pathetic semantics *-) ..........

 

Especially as its true that we hand over control of £350 million a week to the EU >:-) .........

Except it's not true at all and you should know that by now. The figure was intentionally misrepresented in order to con the naive (like you) into believing it as fact. Even Brexit campaign director Dominic Cummings has since admitted it and the ONS asked Johnson to remove the signage. Even most Brexiters distanced themselves from it long ago by attempting to excuse it as "just a suggestion". You need to catch up.

 

In a letter to Johnson, Sir David Norgrove slapped down the use of the £350m figure, arguing: “This confuses gross and net contributions. It also assumes that payments currently made to the UK by the EU, including, for example, for the support of agriculture and scientific research, will not be paid by the UK government when we leave.”

 

It added: “It is a clear misuse of official statistics.”

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

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derek pringle - 2018-11-23 8:43 AM

 

Hi,

On a slightly different note, when the PM is asked about the 39/40 billion we are due to pay the EU she says nothing is agreed oil all is agreed and yet she says this money is to honour commitments already made. Does this mean we have to pay this money EVEN if we leave with no deal.?

Derek it's been explained before and perhaps the best way of looking at it is if you buy a car on finance or take out a mortgage to buy a property, then decide after a few months you don't like the colour of the car or regret buying the house.....you can't simply stop making payments as you've signed into a legal agreement.

 

Are you going to tell Farage and co they can't have their MEP pensions because you refuse to pay for them?

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Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 3:08 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 8:36 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 1:16 AM

 

 

Let's not make light of this Barry. Johnson and his cronies who've plunged the country into chaos through lying and deceiving now need to be held to account.

 

 

Pathetic semantics *-) ..........

 

Especially as its true that we hand over control of £350 million a week to the EU >:-) .........

Except it's not true at all and you should know that by now. The figure was intentionally misrepresented in order to con the naive (like you) into believing it as fact. Even Brexit campaign director Dominic Cummings has since admitted it and the ONS asked Johnson to remove the signage. Even most Brexiters distanced themselves from it long ago by attempting to excuse it as "just a suggestion". You need to catch up.

 

In a letter to Johnson, Sir David Norgrove slapped down the use of the £350m figure, arguing: “This confuses gross and net contributions. It also assumes that payments currently made to the UK by the EU, including, for example, for the support of agriculture and scientific research, will not be paid by the UK government when we leave.”

 

It added: “It is a clear misuse of official statistics.”

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

 

Oh ......according to the Guardian .......and Fullfact .......Who are both funded by Rabid Lefties >:-) .........

 

If its all the same to you Bullet ;-) ........

 

I'll view their non biased views with a cynical eye :D .......

 

 

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malc d - 2018-11-23 9:59 AM

 

derek pringle - 2018-11-23 8:43 AM

 

Hi,

On a slightly different note, when the PM is asked about the 39/40 billion we are due to pay the EU she says nothing is agreed oil all is agreed and yet she says this money is to honour commitments already made. Does this mean we have to pay this money EVEN if we leave with no deal.?

cheers

derek

 

 

If we signed contracts saying we would pay - then surely we have no alternative.

 

:-|

 

Not if it was a unfair contract ;-) ..........

 

 

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pelmetman - 2018-11-23 3:32 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 9:59 AM

 

derek pringle - 2018-11-23 8:43 AM

 

Hi,

On a slightly different note, when the PM is asked about the 39/40 billion we are due to pay the EU she says nothing is agreed oil all is agreed and yet she says this money is to honour commitments already made. Does this mean we have to pay this money EVEN if we leave with no deal.?

cheers

derek

 

 

If we signed contracts saying we would pay - then surely we have no alternative.

 

:-|

 

Not if it was a unfair contract ;-) ..........

 

 

We won't be paying those.

 

:-|

 

 

What we should have done is include in each contract the paragraph :

 

" If the politicians run the EU in such a way that that half our electorate vote to leave, we are excused from any further payments of this contract "

 

 

Unfortunately we didn't see it coming.

 

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malc d - 2018-11-23 3:38 PM

 

Unfortunately we didn't see it coming.

 

Some of us did ;-) ........

 

History does have a habit of repeating it self after all :-| .........

 

Which makes me wonder why some folk slag off the British Empire, whilst wanting to build a Fourth Reich 8-) ........

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pelmetman - 2018-11-23 3:47 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 3:38 PM

 

Unfortunately we didn't see it coming.

 

Some of us did ;-) ........

 

.

 

But the people who saw it coming were not the people signing the contracts.

 

….and the people signing the contracts were not in touch with the electorate.

 

 

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malc d - 2018-11-23 3:56 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 3:47 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 3:38 PM

 

Unfortunately we didn't see it coming.

 

Some of us did ;-) ........

 

.

 

But the people who saw it coming were not the people signing the contracts.

 

….and the people signing the contracts were not in touch with the electorate.

 

 

On the 23 of June 2016 you had the opportunity to stop them signing those contracts ;-) ........

 

But you didn't......did you? :D .....

 

I'm beginning to think you've been on that fence for so long, your incapable of getting off it Malc :-) ........

 

 

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pelmetman - 2018-11-23 4:12 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 3:56 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 3:47 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 3:38 PM

 

Unfortunately we didn't see it coming.

 

Some of us did ;-) ........

 

.

 

But the people who saw it coming were not the people signing the contracts.

 

….and the people signing the contracts were not in touch with the electorate.

 

 

On the 23 of June 2016 you had the opportunity to stop them signing those contracts ;-) ........

 

But you didn't......did you? :D .....

 

 

 

 

That's because I don't think we will be any better off if we leave.

 

I live in a constituency which is a " safe seat " - and as anyone who lives in a safe seat knows - voting in general elections is pointless.

 

Westminster is as distant as Brussels.

 

So, I regard the idea that "WE" are getting back control as codswallop.

 

 

;-)

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All cabinet ministers, and especially Bulls**t Boris, should spend two days and nights on a trolley in a noisy A&E corridor, then be moved for two more days and nights to a busy corridor near a ward, preferably close to a door that bangs shut every time it is used, then two more nights on the same trolley in the corner of a ward next to where the nurses play silly buggers all night and the floorboards creak and move, then at last two days and nights on a real ward bed, before being sent home because they are deemed to be 'stable'. It happens in todays caring NHS and £350,000,000 a week would go a long way to improving that, once all the managers have had a good payrise of course.

 

Time to buy shares in the firms making hospital trolleys?

 

 

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malc d - 2018-11-23 4:21 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 4:12 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 3:56 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 3:47 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 3:38 PM

 

Unfortunately we didn't see it coming.

 

Some of us did ;-) ........

 

.

 

But the people who saw it coming were not the people signing the contracts.

 

….and the people signing the contracts were not in touch with the electorate.

 

 

On the 23 of June 2016 you had the opportunity to stop them signing those contracts ;-) ........

 

But you didn't......did you? :D .....

 

 

 

 

That's because I don't think we will be any better off if we leave.

 

I live in a constituency which is a " safe seat " - and as anyone who lives in a safe seat knows - voting in general elections is pointless.

 

Westminster is as distant as Brussels.

 

So, I regard the idea that "WE" are getting back control as codswallop.

 

 

;-)

 

That's a cop out Malc...............You don't start taking back control by giving "IN" it to another 27 countries *-) ..........

 

 

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Tracker - 2018-11-23 4:25 PM

 

All cabinet ministers should spend two days and nights on a trolley in a noisy A&E corridor, then be moved for two more days and nights to a busy corridor near a ward, preferably close to a door that bangs shut every time it is used, then two more nights on the same trolley in the corner of a ward next to where the nurses play silly buggers all night and the floorboards creak and move, then at last two days and nights on a real ward bed, before being sent home because they are deemed to be 'stable'. It happens in todays caring NHS and £350,000,000 a week would go a long way to improving that, once all the managers have had a good payrise of course.

 

Time to buy shares in the firms making hospital trolleys?

 

 

I've had the pleasure of enjoying that NHS prolly 15 or more years ago ;-) .........

 

The special needs assistant even wiped down my side table with my own p*ss 8-) ........

 

Maybe they knew I was a natural Tory :D ..........

 

Perhaps if the NHS wasn't such a open door carer........ they wouldn't have such obnoxious examples as the bloke from Bulgaria who came here purely to be treated, and treat our nurse friend as a piece of sh*te >:-( .......

 

 

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pelmetman - 2018-11-23 3:30 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 3:08 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 8:36 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 1:16 AM

 

 

Let's not make light of this Barry. Johnson and his cronies who've plunged the country into chaos through lying and deceiving now need to be held to account.

 

 

Pathetic semantics *-) ..........

 

Especially as its true that we hand over control of £350 million a week to the EU >:-) .........

Except it's not true at all and you should know that by now. The figure was intentionally misrepresented in order to con the naive (like you) into believing it as fact. Even Brexit campaign director Dominic Cummings has since admitted it and the ONS asked Johnson to remove the signage. Even most Brexiters distanced themselves from it long ago by attempting to excuse it as "just a suggestion". You need to catch up.

 

In a letter to Johnson, Sir David Norgrove slapped down the use of the £350m figure, arguing: “This confuses gross and net contributions. It also assumes that payments currently made to the UK by the EU, including, for example, for the support of agriculture and scientific research, will not be paid by the UK government when we leave.”

 

It added: “It is a clear misuse of official statistics.”

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

 

Oh ......according to the Guardian .......and Fullfact .......Who are both funded by Rabid Lefties >:-) .........

Nope......they took their figures from the ONS. Are you going to try claiming they are "funded by rabid lefties" too? *-)

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/leavecampaignclaimsduringbrexitdebate

 

https://data.gov.uk/publisher/office-for-national-statistics

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malc d - 2018-11-23 4:21 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 4:12 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 3:56 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 3:47 PM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 3:38 PM

 

Unfortunately we didn't see it coming.

 

Some of us did ;-) ........

 

.

 

But the people who saw it coming were not the people signing the contracts.

 

….and the people signing the contracts were not in touch with the electorate.

 

 

On the 23 of June 2016 you had the opportunity to stop them signing those contracts ;-) ........

 

But you didn't......did you? :D .....

 

 

 

 

That's because I don't think we will be any better off if we leave.

 

I live in a constituency which is a " safe seat " - and as anyone who lives in a safe seat knows - voting in general elections is pointless.

 

Westminster is as distant as Brussels.

 

So, I regard the idea that "WE" are getting back control as codswallop.

 

 

;-)

Careful Malc.....Brexiters have scurried off like rats fleeing a sinking ship (where is the Pelmet plonker right now?) and their numbers are depleting as they watch their 'dream' falling apart. He's trying to recruit you over to the madcap side.

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antony1969 - 2018-11-23 11:26 AM

 

malc d - 2018-11-23 9:59 AM

 

derek pringle - 2018-11-23 8:43 AM

 

Hi,

On a slightly different note, when the PM is asked about the 39/40 billion we are due to pay the EU she says nothing is agreed oil all is agreed and yet she says this money is to honour commitments already made. Does this mean we have to pay this money EVEN if we leave with no deal.?

cheers

derek

 

 

If we signed contracts saying we would pay - then surely we have no alternative.

 

:-|

 

Only if its a legal requirement ... Some with far more knowledge on the legalities of it suggest its not a legal requirement ... Another thread on here talks of the legalities of revoking article 50 , cuts both ways

Two different things, I think, Antony.

 

The first is a matter of whether we have made legally binding commitments to contribute to the cost of various EU projects, however calculated, over whatever period of time. Some of those things will be tangible (infrastructure projects etc) the others intangible (such as EU staff pensions).

 

If we undertook to pay (meaning that the UK government undertook that the UK would make the payments), one can hardly stop paying just because less than half the UK electorate had a hissy fit about continuing our EU membership.

 

I note that (as usual!) none of those who argue we can sever all commitments at the point of departure, and so legally repudiate all those undertakings with no further liability for cost, have set out the legal basis for their claims.

 

What you appear to be implying is that on the one hand the UK government may have entered into illegal commitments (which seems highly unlikely to me), or that the UK government is now proposing to make illegal payments to the EU, (which seems to me equally unlikely).

 

I think, given the preoccupation of the present government with minimising cost, and maintaining a low tax regime, you can be confident that they will have chiselled down the cases under which future obligations to pay are due, and the amount we are due to pay. I think they are a shower, but I don't think they are complete idiots!

 

The question of whether we are able to revoke our Article 50 notice has nothing to do with future commitments or their costs: it is purely to do with whether we can simply withdraw the Article 50 notification and revert to our membership of the EU as it was two years ago, rebate, opt-outs etc. and all.

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Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 4:50 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 3:30 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 3:08 PM

 

pelmetman - 2018-11-23 8:36 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2018-11-23 1:16 AM

 

 

Let's not make light of this Barry. Johnson and his cronies who've plunged the country into chaos through lying and deceiving now need to be held to account.

 

 

Pathetic semantics *-) ..........

 

Especially as its true that we hand over control of £350 million a week to the EU >:-) .........

Except it's not true at all and you should know that by now. The figure was intentionally misrepresented in order to con the naive (like you) into believing it as fact. Even Brexit campaign director Dominic Cummings has since admitted it and the ONS asked Johnson to remove the signage. Even most Brexiters distanced themselves from it long ago by attempting to excuse it as "just a suggestion". You need to catch up.

 

In a letter to Johnson, Sir David Norgrove slapped down the use of the £350m figure, arguing: “This confuses gross and net contributions. It also assumes that payments currently made to the UK by the EU, including, for example, for the support of agriculture and scientific research, will not be paid by the UK government when we leave.”

 

It added: “It is a clear misuse of official statistics.”

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

 

Oh ......according to the Guardian .......and Fullfact .......Who are both funded by Rabid Lefties >:-) .........

Nope......they took their figures from the ONS. Are you going to try claiming they are "funded by rabid lefties" too? *-)

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/leavecampaignclaimsduringbrexitdebate

 

https://data.gov.uk/publisher/office-for-national-statistics

 

From your ONS Link ;-) ........

 

"However, before we do, please note that none of the figures on the money flowing between the UK and EU are fully reflective of the total costs and benefits of EU membership as these are complex and difficult to quantify."

 

Us Brexiteers have quantified it >:-) .........

 

 

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