Bulletguy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Some 54% of people said they would stay in the EU if the 2016 referendum were held tomorrow – when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed. Good debate though typically Farage threw his toys out of his pram soon as he saw the poll result - forgetting his 'unfinished business' quote and call for a second referendum when he thought Remain would win. *-) https://www.channel4.com/news/major-new-brexit-poll-shows-voters-swinging-towards-remain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-07 1:58 AM Some 54% of people said they would stay in the EU if the 2016 referendum were held tomorrow – when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed. "when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed." So it's not 54% of the electorate is it Lord Haw Haw? :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-07 7:40 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-07 1:58 AM Some 54% of people said they would stay in the EU if the 2016 referendum were held tomorrow – when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed. "when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed." So it's not 54% of the electorate is it Lord Haw Haw? :D ......... Nor was the referendum result. Sauce, goose & gander? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Looks like there aint guna be much of the EU left for those who want to stay in anyway ... One by one they are waking up ... Poland next ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 About as likely as Farage getting a knighthood or Banks not being a crook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Like any polls the vote will swing according to the individuals perception of the fear factor and the answer you get will always depend very largely on when you ask and what specific question is asked. The vote for Brexit was based on the fear of immigration and what the EU might become in years to come and the cost to the UK taxpayer. The vote to remain is currently based on the fear of how EU retribution for the UK having the temerity to say 'no thanks' and taking our contributions away from the EU budget might impact adversely on each voter's lifestyle. The real vote should be 'would you vote to remain or leave the EU if the economic future was the same in or out' thus removing project fear from the equation. If I were working to support a home, a family and a mortgage and my perception, rightly or wrongly, was that my lifestyle was at risk by leaving the EU, then I would probably vote remain, not because I love the EU particularly but because of my own fear of leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-11-07 11:22 AM pelmetman - 2018-11-07 7:40 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-07 1:58 AM Some 54% of people said they would stay in the EU if the 2016 referendum were held tomorrow – when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed. "when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed." So it's not 54% of the electorate is it Lord Haw Haw? :D ......... Nor was the referendum result. Sauce, goose & gander? :-D Spot on Brian. Naturally as one of the few Brextremists left he wouldn't have figured that....just as he hasn't understood the poll either which had he taken the trouble to listen, he'd have learnt how it was conducted. It's one of the largest polls done and there's a link to the company explaining the questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I just noticed in Bullet's original CH4 link right at the bottom there is an Excel spreadsheet download of all the data. Its quite comprehensive. Just reading through just one question which is Question 11 proves without doubt that there is an appetite and a majority in favour of a vote on the final deal with an option to remain. Q11. If the UK and the EU agree a deal on the terms of Brexit, would you support or oppose holding a referendum in which voters were asked to choose between:Accepting the deal or Remaining in the EU Out of 12 regions in the UK only the "East" and "South West" would be narrowly against a second vote. Every other region of the country would vote in favour of a vote on the deal with an option to remain. The objectors in all regions are older voters and the objection percentage increases the older they are with those over 75 55% against, 31% in favour (Rest are dont know). Other areas where the objectors are higher are the low qualified or Tory voters. Without doubt though, this country is in favour of a vote on the final deal I would say so why are the government so dead against it? (at the moment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 11:15 AM I just noticed in Bullet's original CH4 link right at the bottom there is an Excel spreadsheet download of all the data. Its quite comprehensive. I wondered when someone would finally find that! It's an embedded link but i knew it would only be noted by anyone who read the article or watched the clip. Krishnan Guru-Murthy mentions it in the vid clip and i pointed to it in the second post! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-11-07 11:22 AM pelmetman - 2018-11-07 7:40 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-07 1:58 AM Some 54% of people said they would stay in the EU if the 2016 referendum were held tomorrow – when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed. "when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed." So it's not 54% of the electorate is it Lord Haw Haw? :D ......... Nor was the referendum result. Sauce, goose & gander? :-D I know my memory is not what it was Brian ;-) ........ But I don't recall a "Don't Know" box on the ballot paper on the 23/06/2016 :-S ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-08 12:56 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 11:15 AM I just noticed in Bullet's original CH4 link right at the bottom there is an Excel spreadsheet download of all the data. Its quite comprehensive. I wondered when someone would finally find that! It's an embedded link but i knew it would only be noted by anyone who read the article or watched the clip. Krishnan Guru-Murthy mentions it in the vid clip and i pointed to it in the second post! ;-) Only Sado Remoaners clutching at straws can be bothered ;-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 11:15 AM . The objectors in all regions are older voters and the objection percentage increases the older they are with those over 75 55% against, 31% in favour (Rest are dont know). Other areas where the objectors are higher are the low qualified or Tory voters. Quite clearly, in any future referendum, only people who are aged under sixty, and hold a degree obtained from a recognised college or university, should be allowed to vote. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 malc d - 2018-11-08 2:56 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 11:15 AM . The objectors in all regions are older voters and the objection percentage increases the older they are with those over 75 55% against, 31% in favour (Rest are dont know). Other areas where the objectors are higher are the low qualified or Tory voters. Quite clearly, in any future referendum, only people who are aged under sixty, and hold a degree obtained from a recognised college or university, should be allowed to vote. :-| Strangely the most virulent Remoaners on here apart from Barry....... are older than me and Antony :D ......... Just sayin ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 malc d - 2018-11-08 2:56 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 11:15 AM . The objectors in all regions are older voters and the objection percentage increases the older they are with those over 75 55% against, 31% in favour (Rest are dont know). Other areas where the objectors are higher are the low qualified or Tory voters. Quite clearly, in any future referendum, only people who are aged under sixty, and hold a degree obtained from a recognised college or university, should be allowed to vote. :-| Good idea. Well it seems fair seeing as nearly two million young voters have turned 18 since the referendum yet have had no say in the future out of the EU where they will be the ones left to deal with it. In the Scottish referendum 16 year old were allowed to vote on their future so if that had happened here you can double that number and it should have. Rich old motorhomers are not the ones that will be left to deal with the mess. I hope they feel proud of their actions as they while away the winters in Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 4:21 PM malc d - 2018-11-08 2:56 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 11:15 AM . The objectors in all regions are older voters and the objection percentage increases the older they are with those over 75 55% against, 31% in favour (Rest are dont know). Other areas where the objectors are higher are the low qualified or Tory voters. Quite clearly, in any future referendum, only people who are aged under sixty, and hold a degree obtained from a recognised college or university, should be allowed to vote. :-| Good idea. Well it seems fair seeing as nearly two million young voters have turned 18 since the referendum yet have had no say in the future out of the EU where they will be the ones left to deal with it. In the Scottish referendum 16 year old were allowed to vote on their future so if that had happened here you can double that number and it should have. Rich old motorhomers are not the ones that will be left to deal with the mess. I hope they feel proud of their actions as they while away the winters in Spain. I'm more than proud that I wasn't a Gobs**te surrender monkey prepared to give away what my grandad endured as a rear gunner on Wellingtons for :-| ......... Some of us ain't prepared to sell their soul for smelly French cheese and Belgium piss water 8-) ......... Your such a bleedin heart snowflake Barry *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 4:21 PM Good idea. Well it seems fair seeing as nearly two million young voters have turned 18 since the referendum yet have had no say in the future out of the EU where they will be the ones left to deal with it. In the Scottish referendum 16 year old were allowed to vote on their future so if that had happened here you can double that number and it should have. Rich old motorhomers are not the ones that will be left to deal with the mess. I hope they feel proud of their actions as they while away the winters in Spain. Brilliant idea Barry, lets hope they all vote socialist too giving loadsa benefits and freebies for all and we can all have the last laugh knowing it is those very same know it all youngsters who think money grows on trees that will have to foot the bill in years to come. Bigger pensions = more cash to spend. Bigger NHS = better health = longer life = more time away = yippee - the good times is a comin' back!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Tracker - 2018-11-08 4:50 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 4:21 PM Good idea. Well it seems fair seeing as nearly two million young voters have turned 18 since the referendum yet have had no say in the future out of the EU where they will be the ones left to deal with it. In the Scottish referendum 16 year old were allowed to vote on their future so if that had happened here you can double that number and it should have. Rich old motorhomers are not the ones that will be left to deal with the mess. I hope they feel proud of their actions as they while away the winters in Spain. Brilliant idea Barry, lets hope they all vote socialist too giving loadsa benefits and freebies for all and we can all have the last laugh knowing it is those very same know it all youngsters who think money grows on trees that will have to foot the bill in years to come. Bigger pensions = more cash to spend. Bigger NHS = better health = longer life = more time away = yippee - the good times is a comin' back!! Ah so we shouldnt give them the vote in case they dont vote Tory. They are going to turn 18 at some point Rich. Whichever way you look at it unless there is a final vote on Brexit there are going to be several million adults paying into the system that are inheriting your mess that never even got a chance to vote on it. Brexit has dragged on way too long and is way too much of a mess as it is not to have a vote on the final outcome and those people deserve a chance to have their say. Or did Democracy end on June 23 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-08 4:36 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 4:21 PM malc d - 2018-11-08 2:56 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 11:15 AM . The objectors in all regions are older voters and the objection percentage increases the older they are with those over 75 55% against, 31% in favour (Rest are dont know). Other areas where the objectors are higher are the low qualified or Tory voters. Quite clearly, in any future referendum, only people who are aged under sixty, and hold a degree obtained from a recognised college or university, should be allowed to vote. :-| Good idea. Well it seems fair seeing as nearly two million young voters have turned 18 since the referendum yet have had no say in the future out of the EU where they will be the ones left to deal with it. In the Scottish referendum 16 year old were allowed to vote on their future so if that had happened here you can double that number and it should have. Rich old motorhomers are not the ones that will be left to deal with the mess. I hope they feel proud of their actions as they while away the winters in Spain. I'm more than proud that I wasn't a Gobs**te surrender monkey prepared to give away what my grandad endured as a rear gunner on Wellingtons for :-| ......... Some of us ain't prepared to sell their soul for smelly French cheese and Belgium piss water 8-) ......... Your such a bleedin heart snowflake Barry *-) ......... My Granddad was a tail gunner in a Lancaster Bomber. So what? I bet he wouldnt have voted for this bollox. The only people that are surrendering is those that want to run away from the biggest trading bloc in the world and pull up the drawbridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 5:35 PM Tracker - 2018-11-08 4:50 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 4:21 PM Good idea. Well it seems fair seeing as nearly two million young voters have turned 18 since the referendum yet have had no say in the future out of the EU where they will be the ones left to deal with it. In the Scottish referendum 16 year old were allowed to vote on their future so if that had happened here you can double that number and it should have. Rich old motorhomers are not the ones that will be left to deal with the mess. I hope they feel proud of their actions as they while away the winters in Spain. Brilliant idea Barry, lets hope they all vote socialist too giving loadsa benefits and freebies for all and we can all have the last laugh knowing it is those very same know it all youngsters who think money grows on trees that will have to foot the bill in years to come. Bigger pensions = more cash to spend. Bigger NHS = better health = longer life = more time away = yippee - the good times is a comin' back!! Ah so we shouldnt give them the vote in case they dont vote Tory. They are going to turn 18 at some point Rich. Whichever way you look at it unless there is a final vote on Brexit there are going to be several million adults paying into the system that are inheriting your mess that never even got a chance to vote on it. Brexit has dragged on way too long and is way too much of a mess as it is not to have a vote on the final outcome and those people deserve a chance to have their say. Or did Democracy end on June 23 2016? I was to young to vote in 74 ;-) ........... So your argument is nonsensical unless you want to deny my views twice? :-S ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 5:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-11-08 4:36 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 4:21 PM malc d - 2018-11-08 2:56 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 11:15 AM . The objectors in all regions are older voters and the objection percentage increases the older they are with those over 75 55% against, 31% in favour (Rest are dont know). Other areas where the objectors are higher are the low qualified or Tory voters. Quite clearly, in any future referendum, only people who are aged under sixty, and hold a degree obtained from a recognised college or university, should be allowed to vote. :-| Good idea. Well it seems fair seeing as nearly two million young voters have turned 18 since the referendum yet have had no say in the future out of the EU where they will be the ones left to deal with it. In the Scottish referendum 16 year old were allowed to vote on their future so if that had happened here you can double that number and it should have. Rich old motorhomers are not the ones that will be left to deal with the mess. I hope they feel proud of their actions as they while away the winters in Spain. I'm more than proud that I wasn't a Gobs**te surrender monkey prepared to give away what my grandad endured as a rear gunner on Wellingtons for :-| ......... Some of us ain't prepared to sell their soul for smelly French cheese and Belgium piss water 8-) ......... Your such a bleedin heart snowflake Barry *-) ......... My Granddad was a tail gunner in a Lancaster Bomber. So what? I bet he wouldnt have voted for this bollox. The only people that are surrendering is those that want to run away from the biggest trading bloc in the world and pull up the drawbridge. Who said anything about pulling up the drawbridge??? :-S ......... We have traded with Europe for 1000's of years ;-) ......... But once the trade becomes toooo much in their favour then its time to change the rules :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 5:35 PM Ah so we shouldnt give them the vote in case they dont vote Tory. They are going to turn 18 at some point Rich. Whichever way you look at it unless there is a final vote on Brexit there are going to be several million adults paying into the system that are inheriting your mess that never even got a chance to vote on it. Brexit has dragged on way too long and is way too much of a mess as it is not to have a vote on the final outcome and those people deserve a chance to have their say. Or did Democracy end on June 23 2016? Nice try Barry but that is not what I said and you know it! On the contrary let's give 10 year olds the vote as they can't make a bigger balls up of running the country than the so called adults have. It's not my mess, I only ever voted for a free market, not the self serving top heavy cash consuming monolith that is the EU. Nobody asked me for many years if it was what I wanted, and it ain't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-08 2:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-11-07 11:22 AM pelmetman - 2018-11-07 7:40 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-07 1:58 AM Some 54% of people said they would stay in the EU if the 2016 referendum were held tomorrow – when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed. "when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed." So it's not 54% of the electorate is it Lord Haw Haw? :D ......... Nor was the referendum result. Sauce, goose & gander? :-D I know my memory is not what it was Brian ;-) ........ But I don't recall a "Don't Know" box on the ballot paper on the 23/06/2016 :-S ......... None of the lies Brexit used to subvert democracy were on the ballot paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-08 8:54 PM pelmetman - 2018-11-08 2:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-11-07 11:22 AM pelmetman - 2018-11-07 7:40 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-07 1:58 AM Some 54% of people said they would stay in the EU if the 2016 referendum were held tomorrow – when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed. "when those who refused to vote or answered “don’t know” were removed." So it's not 54% of the electorate is it Lord Haw Haw? :D ......... Nor was the referendum result. Sauce, goose & gander? :-D I know my memory is not what it was Brian ;-) ........ But I don't recall a "Don't Know" box on the ballot paper on the 23/06/2016 :-S ......... None of the lies Brexit used to subvert democracy were on the ballot paper. Nor were the Remoaners Lies >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Tracker - 2018-11-08 5:50 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 5:35 PM Ah so we shouldnt give them the vote in case they dont vote Tory. They are going to turn 18 at some point Rich. Whichever way you look at it unless there is a final vote on Brexit there are going to be several million adults paying into the system that are inheriting your mess that never even got a chance to vote on it. Brexit has dragged on way too long and is way too much of a mess as it is not to have a vote on the final outcome and those people deserve a chance to have their say. Or did Democracy end on June 23 2016? Nice try Barry but that is not what I said and you know it! On the contrary let's give 10 year olds the vote as they can't make a bigger balls up of running the country than the so called adults have. It's not my mess, I only ever voted for a free market, not the self serving top heavy cash consuming monolith that is the EU. Nobody asked me for many years if it was what I wanted, and it ain't! Well it is kind of what you said "Brilliant idea Barry, lets hope they all vote socialist" What ever happens next is your mess and everyone who campaigned for Brexit. I wonder who you will all blame for all the problems once (or if) we leave. I know who I will be blaming when it all goes tits up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 9:40 PM Tracker - 2018-11-08 5:50 PM Barryd999 - 2018-11-08 5:35 PM Ah so we shouldnt give them the vote in case they dont vote Tory. They are going to turn 18 at some point Rich. Whichever way you look at it unless there is a final vote on Brexit there are going to be several million adults paying into the system that are inheriting your mess that never even got a chance to vote on it. Brexit has dragged on way too long and is way too much of a mess as it is not to have a vote on the final outcome and those people deserve a chance to have their say. Or did Democracy end on June 23 2016? Nice try Barry but that is not what I said and you know it! On the contrary let's give 10 year olds the vote as they can't make a bigger balls up of running the country than the so called adults have. It's not my mess, I only ever voted for a free market, not the self serving top heavy cash consuming monolith that is the EU. Nobody asked me for many years if it was what I wanted, and it ain't! Well it is kind of what you said "Brilliant idea Barry, lets hope they all vote socialist" What ever happens next is your mess and everyone who campaigned for Brexit. I wonder who you will all blame for all the problems once (or if) we leave. I know who I will be blaming when it all goes tits up. You're a natural Socialist Barry ;-) .......... Willing to blame anyone except yourselves for what's going on in the world *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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