Bulletguy Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Started on BBC2 last night. The title is self explanatory about people in work, yet barely able to live. None had any savings to speak of and some no pension prospects. A father and son who both lost their full time jobs and also their home, now live in tents. Both on zero hours. A full-time steeleworker for 20years at Port Talbot, his pay has failed to keep up with the rising cost of living and he now earns less after tax than when he started. With three children, a mortgage and credit card debt, he picks up extra shifts to help the family’s tight budget. 12 hour shifts, four on four off....£375 a week after tax. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00071lm/broke-series-1-episode-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 More Loser Doom & Gloom *-) ............ Cheer up we'll be out of the EU soon >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-26 10:23 PM More Loser Doom & Gloom *-) ............ Cheer up we'll be out of the EU soon >:-) .......... Pity you don't view then you'd be able to contribute an adult pov rather than silly inane snipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Credit Card debt? Somebody should have told him how to manage his debt. Instant purchasing power ... slow thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 747 - 2019-07-26 11:10 PM Somebody should have told him how to manage his debt. Yes but recent politics has been about encouraging debt, taking pensions early etc to give the economy a pre-election shot of heroin. I saw the programme. Father and son living illegally in tents - all they could afford on their zero-hours contracts. According to official statistics both working so the economy is booming *-) So they have to make the situation for jobseekers even worse than that to encourage them to get a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 John52 - 2019-07-27 7:54 AM 747 - 2019-07-26 11:10 PM Somebody should have told him how to manage his debt. Yes but recent politics has been about encouraging debt, taking pensions early etc to give the economy a pre-election shot of heroin. I saw the programme. Father and son living illegally in tents - all they could afford on their zero-hours contracts. According to official statistics both working so the economy is booming *-) So they have to make the situation for jobseekers even worse than that to encourage them to get a job. So if Corbyn was in charge the feckless would suddenly become responsible? *-) .......... More deluded tosh from the usual loony lefty suspects :-| .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-27 8:01 AM John52 - 2019-07-27 7:54 AM 747 - 2019-07-26 11:10 PM Somebody should have told him how to manage his debt. Yes but recent politics has been about encouraging debt, taking pensions early etc to give the economy a pre-election shot of heroin. I saw the programme. Father and son living illegally in tents - all they could afford on their zero-hours contracts. According to official statistics both working so the economy is booming *-) So they have to make the situation for jobseekers even worse than that to encourage them to get a job. So if Corbyn was in charge the feckless would suddenly become responsible? *-) .......... More deluded tosh from the usual loony lefty suspects :-| .......... So all you can offer is an allegation that if someone else was in charge it could be worse? I guess you still haven't watched the programme? Maybe you will start to care when you realise its creating millions of people like that who have nothing to lose by committing crime. And fewer police to deal with it - except of course for the VIPs where there were over 100 defending the Steel Barriers of Downing Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 John52 - 2019-07-27 8:08 AM pelmetman - 2019-07-27 8:01 AM John52 - 2019-07-27 7:54 AM 747 - 2019-07-26 11:10 PM Somebody should have told him how to manage his debt. Yes but recent politics has been about encouraging debt, taking pensions early etc to give the economy a pre-election shot of heroin. I saw the programme. Father and son living illegally in tents - all they could afford on their zero-hours contracts. According to official statistics both working so the economy is booming *-) So they have to make the situation for jobseekers even worse than that to encourage them to get a job. So if Corbyn was in charge the feckless would suddenly become responsible? *-) .......... More deluded tosh from the usual loony lefty suspects :-| .......... So all you can offer is an allegation that if someone else was in charge it could be worse? I guess you still haven't watched the programme? Maybe you will start to care when you realise its creating millions of people like that who have nothing to lose by committing crime. And fewer police to deal with it - except of course for the VIPs where there were over 100 defending the Steel Barriers of Downing Street. Nope...... I said if Corbyn was in charge would the feckless suddenly become responsible? ;-) ........ Which is obviously NO *-) ......... They'll always be the feckless who will blame everyone else but themselves for their situation :-| ........and in my experience they're usually Socialists *-) ............ Just as it is always the Socialists who excuse the actions of criminals 8-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-27 8:17 AM in my experience they're usually Socialists *-) ............ Thats because you think everyone to the left of Donald Trump is a 'Socialist' *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 John52 - 2019-07-27 8:22 AM pelmetman - 2019-07-27 8:17 AM in my experience they're usually Socialists *-) ............ Thats because you think everyone to the left of Donald Trump is a 'Socialist' *-) Not at all :-| ............Some of them a limp liberals and Communists :D .......... Fortunately the majority of the UK has always been on the right side........Which is the why the last time Labour got elected was because Blair moved Labour to the right >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 John52 - 2019-07-27 7:54 AM 747 - 2019-07-26 11:10 PM Somebody should have told him how to manage his debt. Yes but recent politics has been about encouraging debt, taking pensions early etc to give the economy a pre-election shot of heroin. I saw the programme. Father and son living illegally in tents - all they could afford on their zero-hours contracts. According to official statistics both working so the economy is booming *-) So they have to make the situation for jobseekers even worse than that to encourage them to get a job. Debt isnt something thats new princess , not taking responsibility for ones debt in our new blame culture world is new though ... You and the OP could divide their wealth a little more to the needy they care so much for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-27 8:34 AM Fortunately the majority of the UK has always been on the right...... Because the media is on the right. What they don't always realise is we haven't got traditional right wing politics, but a rent extracting ecponomy posing as free enterprise. Socialism for the rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 9:33 AM Debt isnt something thats new Who said it was? Whats new is the Government's encouragement to increase debt - whilst creating job insecurity. QE, so-called 'Help to Buy', Take pensions early etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 EU funding intended to alleviate child poverty in the UK has been returned, unspent. "The government had an opportunity to help support the most disadvantaged people in the UK but has instead wasted over half a million pounds," said Lord Jay, chairman of the EU Home Affairs Sub-Committee.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 John52 - 2019-07-27 10:57 AM Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 9:33 AM Debt isnt something thats new Who said it was? Whats new is the Government's encouragement to increase debt - whilst creating job insecurity. QE, so-called 'Help to Buy', Take pensions early etc. Dont know much about Help to Buy but I thought the loan was repaid on selling the property and not a monthly payback , if thats correct how is that a debt that affects your daily life ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 John52 - 2019-07-27 8:54 AM 747 - 2019-07-26 11:10 PM Somebody should have told him how to manage his debt. Yes but recent politics has been about encouraging debt, taking pensions early etc to give the economy a pre-election shot of heroin. I saw the programme. Father and son living illegally in tents - all they could afford on their zero-hours contracts. According to official statistics both working so the economy is booming *-) So they have to make the situation for jobseekers even worse than that to encourage them to get a job. The economy is booming and people are better off. See this from the ONS, which is an independent body staffed by civil servants of all political persuasions. You of course won't believe it, although you're happy to use statistics when they suit your cause! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/26/household-incomes-hit-record-high-rising-pay-lower-taxes-boost/ No matter how good the economy is, and whatever party is in power, there are people who'll be in dire straits, though their own mismanagement or just bad luck. Fortunately there'll be far fewer under this government than under a Corbyn-led Venezuelan workers' paradise. I have constantly asked others on here to give me the name of one country practising, or which has practised, Corbyn's brand of Socialism, where the masses have been better off than in the western capitalist democracies.. So far no one can list one. Although of course I'm sure we all remember the thousands of people risking their lives climbing the Wall to flee the poverty of West Germany and escape to the Socialist utopia of the DDR! Or the thousands also risking their lives in small craft trying to escape the horrors of the USA for the riches of Cuba! Yep, our 'rent-extracting economy' can't compare to the delights of the USSR, Venezuela and North Korea. But of course Socialism wasn't really done properly in the past and it will definitely work better next time! Regrettably history proves this isn't the case. I really feel sorry for you lefties. You hate capitalism because of your envy of a few people who get rich but you have no answer and no better system, which is why most of the world's communist/socialist countries have embraced capitalism and seen a huge rise in the standard of living of their people. Life must be so frustrating for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Why do all the usual right wing chest thumping hang em high brigade on here automatically assume that being concerned for people, ordinary people who possibly for no real fault of their own have ended up in the s**t and living in tents means your some kind of loony lefty socialist? I watched the program. The father and son living in tents seemed decent enough to me. Under the so called "you have never had it so good" spouted above and the Tory employment figures these two are classed as being employed. Try going up to them in their tent in December and telling them everything is rosy and you have never had it so good. Rising number of food banks, millions of people in poverty, the return of Victorian diseases like Rickets. FFS how much more evidence do you need? Its ok for Rich motorhomers to boast about how much interest they made this month on their stocks and shares (oops sorry wrong forum (lol) ) or to just call people feckless and its their own fault but we dont have to become Venezuela to start using some of our wealth to make peoples lives a bit more tolerable. We just have stop being complete c*nts and we can start with the current set that are now in the cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-07-27 11:53 AM Why do all the usual right wing chest thumping hang em high brigade on here automatically assume that being concerned for people, ordinary people who possibly for no real fault of their own have ended up in the s**t and living in tents means your some kind of loony lefty socialist? I watched the program. The father and son living in tents seemed decent enough to me. Under the so called "you have never had it so good" spouted above and the Tory employment figures these two are classed as being employed. Try going up to them in their tent in December and telling them everything is rosy and you have never had it so good. Rising number of food banks, millions of people in poverty, the return of Victorian diseases like Rickets. FFS how much more evidence do you need? Its ok for Rich motorhomers to boast about how much interest they made this month on their stocks and shares (oops sorry wrong forum (lol) ) or to just call people feckless and its their own fault but we dont have to become Venezuela to start using some of our wealth to make peoples lives a bit more tolerable. We just have stop being complete c*nts and we can start with the current set that are now in the cabinet. You happy to use a bit more of your wealth to make peoples lives a bit more tolerable Barry ??? ... Your young and retired and must have a nice wedge of cash to fund your motorhomoing lifestyle and boozing etc etc ... Tell us "Rich motorhomers" what we should , we need guidance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-07-27 11:53 AM Why do all the usual right wing chest thumping hang em high brigade on here automatically assume that being concerned for people, ordinary people who possibly for no real fault of their own have ended up in the s**t and living in tents means your some kind of loony lefty socialist? Because they're devoid of empathy. I watched the program. The father and son living in tents seemed decent enough to me. Under the so called "you have never had it so good" spouted above and the Tory employment figures these two are classed as being employed. Try going up to them in their tent in December and telling them everything is rosy and you have never had it so good. Exactly but i don't think certain ones quite 'get that'. One hours work a week turns them into an 'employed' stat. As for the bib, you'll be accused of posting "brainless, emotive, playground-level rubbish" and anyone losing their jobs now should "be grateful" at losing it under a Tory government with it's "vibrant economy creating jobs like never before". *-) A reality check on Hastings beach would be good to witness eh? ;-) Rising number of food banks, millions of people in poverty, the return of Victorian diseases like Rickets. FFS how much more evidence do you need? Its ok for Rich motorhomers to boast about how much interest they made this month on their stocks and shares (oops sorry wrong forum (lol) ) or to just call people feckless and its their own fault but we dont have to become Venezuela to start using some of our wealth to make peoples lives a bit more tolerable. We just have stop being complete c*nts and we can start with the current set that are now in the cabinet. All animals are equal.....but some animals are more equal than others. George Orwell had it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 John52 - 2019-07-27 10:53 AM pelmetman - 2019-07-27 8:34 AM Fortunately the majority of the UK has always been on the right...... Because the media is on the right. What they don't always realise is we haven't got traditional right wing politics, but a rent extracting ecponomy posing as free enterprise. Socialism for the rich. The media is on the right because the majority of the British public are on the right ;-) ......... If they weren't, then your left wing Remoaner rag the Gurnard would be the best selling paper in the UK would it not? :D ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-27 12:43 PM All animals are equal.....but some animals are more equal than others. George Orwell had it right. Correct ;-) .......... Corbyn = Ass (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 11:06 AM John52 - 2019-07-27 10:57 AM Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 9:33 AM Debt isnt something thats new Who said it was? Whats new is the Government's encouragement to increase debt - whilst creating job insecurity. QE, so-called 'Help to Buy', Take pensions early etc. Dont know much about Help to Buy but I thought the loan was repaid on selling the property and not a monthly payback , if thats correct how is that a debt that affects your daily life ??? Because throwing taxpayer's money at the housing money to increase demand whilst strangling supply with planning constraints has increased housing costs. Which has increased debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-07-27 11:27 AM John52 - 2019-07-27 8:54 AM 747 - 2019-07-26 11:10 PM Somebody should have told him how to manage his debt. Yes but recent politics has been about encouraging debt, taking pensions early etc to give the economy a pre-election shot of heroin. I saw the programme. Father and son living illegally in tents - all they could afford on their zero-hours contracts. According to official statistics both working so the economy is booming *-) So they have to make the situation for jobseekers even worse than that to encourage them to get a job. The economy is booming and people are better off. See this from the ONS, which is an independent body staffed by civil servants of all political persuasions. You of course won't believe it, although you're happy to use statistics when they suit your cause! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/26/household-incomes-hit-record-high-rising-pay-lower-taxes-boost/ No matter how good the economy is, and whatever party is in power, there are people who'll be in dire straits, though their own mismanagement or just bad luck. Fortunately there'll be far fewer under this government than under a Corbyn-led Venezuelan workers' paradise. I have constantly asked others on here to give me the name of one country practising, or which has practised, Corbyn's brand of Socialism, where the masses have been better off than in the western capitalist democracies.. So far no one can list one. Although of course I'm sure we all remember the thousands of people risking their lives climbing the Wall to flee the poverty of West Germany and escape to the Socialist utopia of the DDR! Or the thousands also risking their lives in small craft trying to escape the horrors of the USA for the riches of Cuba! Yep, our 'rent-extracting economy' can't compare to the delights of the USSR, Venezuela and North Korea. But of course Socialism wasn't really done properly in the past and it will definitely work better next time! Regrettably history proves this isn't the case. I really feel sorry for you lefties. You hate capitalism because of your envy of a few people who get rich but you have no answer and no better system, which is why most of the world's communist/socialist countries have embraced capitalism and seen a huge rise in the standard of living of their people. Life must be so frustrating for you? At the risk of stating the obvious again its about disposable income. Not just average pay - particularly when they quote the mean rather than the median average. People on a good income paying most of it on rent for a slum etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 John52 - 2019-07-27 8:13 PM Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 11:06 AM John52 - 2019-07-27 10:57 AM Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 9:33 AM Debt isnt something thats new Who said it was? Whats new is the Government's encouragement to increase debt - whilst creating job insecurity. QE, so-called 'Help to Buy', Take pensions early etc. Dont know much about Help to Buy but I thought the loan was repaid on selling the property and not a monthly payback , if thats correct how is that a debt that affects your daily life ??? Because throwing taxpayer's money at the housing money to increase demand whilst strangling supply with planning constraints has increased housing costs. Which has increased debt. Planning here in the pits is easier to get than I can remember in my 30 odd years working in the building industry ... Can you post some stuff to back up your planning constraints line please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 8:39 PM John52 - 2019-07-27 8:13 PM Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 11:06 AM John52 - 2019-07-27 10:57 AM Birdbrain - 2019-07-27 9:33 AM Debt isnt something thats new Who said it was? Whats new is the Government's encouragement to increase debt - whilst creating job insecurity. QE, so-called 'Help to Buy', Take pensions early etc. Dont know much about Help to Buy but I thought the loan was repaid on selling the property and not a monthly payback , if thats correct how is that a debt that affects your daily life ??? Because throwing taxpayer's money at the housing money to increase demand whilst strangling supply with planning constraints has increased housing costs. Which has increased debt. Planning here in the pits is easier to get than I can remember in my 30 odd years working in the building industry ... Can you post some stuff to back up your planning constraints line please Sorry but if you have worked in the building industry for 30 years without becoming aware of planning constraints, its pointless me trying to educate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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