Birdbrain Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 ... I thought those EU ****ries were dealing much better with China Virus than weak old had it Britain ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676845/Macron-warns-France-faces-national-lockdown-7-379-cases-24-hours.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline ... Must be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I think the main gripe is we had a head start on mainland Europe and wasted it thanks to our Moron in Chief. France hasnt coped much better than we have to be fair but they had less warning, other countries have though but the unforgivable thing here is our government ignored the warnings and lost our vital two week advantage and ever since have just U turned and run around like headless chickens and leaped from blunder to blunder. Be honest, do you really have confidence in them? Their latest plan is to lay the blame on Public Health England and disband them right in the middle of a pandemic! 8-) If its going tits up in Europe again then there is a good chance we wont be far behind. Our so called world beating track and trace system is rubbish. Schools back, more worrying Universities back soon, they need to get on the ball and get it right this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Stupid boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-30 8:22 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Stupid boy. Take it that means you cant clear up the 20.000 difference between you and ya girlfriend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. So the FT is talking "global" not just the UK ??? ... Why dont we just stick to official figures rather than pretend made up stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-30 6:39 PM I think the main gripe is we had a head start on mainland Europe and wasted it thanks to our Moron in Chief. France hasnt coped much better than we have to be fair but they had less warning, other countries have though but the unforgivable thing here is our government ignored the warnings and lost our vital two week advantage and ever since have just U turned and run around like headless chickens and leaped from blunder to blunder. Be honest, do you really have confidence in them? Their latest plan is to lay the blame on Public Health England and disband them right in the middle of a pandemic! 8-) If its going tits up in Europe again then there is a good chance we wont be far behind. Our so called world beating track and trace system is rubbish. Schools back, more worrying Universities back soon, they need to get on the ball and get it right this time. It's going tits up everywhere ;-) ............ Fortunately in a 122 days we will no longer have to pick up the tab for basket case EU economies >:-) .......... http://daystobrexit.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 6:15 AM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. So the FT is talking "global" not just the UK ??? ... Why dont we just stick to official figures rather than pretend made up stuff I suspect in most cases people do stick to the official figures but the figures of sixty thousand plus come from the Office of national statistics and its easy to see why the actual death toll is much higher as many cases especially in the elderly in care homes etc have been undiagnosed and unreported as Corona related deaths but clearly if you read the report its highly likely that these excess deaths were because of Covid 19. There are also many cases where people have died of other ailments because they were unable to get treated because of the Lock Down. So the figure of Covid or Covid related deaths is now probably around 65000 in the UK. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/analysisofdeathregistrationsnotinvolvingcoronaviruscovid19englandandwales28december2019to1may2020/technicalannex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-31 8:20 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 6:15 AM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. So the FT is talking "global" not just the UK ??? ... Why dont we just stick to official figures rather than pretend made up stuff I suspect in most cases people do stick to the official figures but the figures of sixty thousand plus come from the Office of national statistics and its easy to see why the actual death toll is much higher as many cases especially in the elderly in care homes etc have been undiagnosed and unreported as Corona related deaths but clearly if you read the report its highly likely that these excess deaths were because of Covid 19. There are also many cases where people have died of other ailments because they were unable to get treated because of the Lock Down. So the figure of Covid or Covid related deaths is now probably around 65000 in the UK. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/analysisofdeathregistrationsnotinvolvingcoronaviruscovid19englandandwales28december2019to1may2020/technicalannex You fail to grasp that while many weren't put down to Covid because those poor souls who died had other health issues many others were even though the other health issues were the cause of death ... Stick to the official figures princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 11:33 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-31 8:20 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 6:15 AM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. So the FT is talking "global" not just the UK ??? ... Why dont we just stick to official figures rather than pretend made up stuff I suspect in most cases people do stick to the official figures but the figures of sixty thousand plus come from the Office of national statistics and its easy to see why the actual death toll is much higher as many cases especially in the elderly in care homes etc have been undiagnosed and unreported as Corona related deaths but clearly if you read the report its highly likely that these excess deaths were because of Covid 19. There are also many cases where people have died of other ailments because they were unable to get treated because of the Lock Down. So the figure of Covid or Covid related deaths is now probably around 65000 in the UK. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/analysisofdeathregistrationsnotinvolvingcoronaviruscovid19englandandwales28december2019to1may2020/technicalannex You fail to grasp that while many weren't put down to Covid because those poor souls who died had other health issues many others were even though the other health issues were the cause of death ... Stick to the official figures princess Were they? How do you know that? I suppose its possible if you had Covid and then got run over by a bus or suddenly had a heart attack but I am not aware of vast numbers of people being recorded as Covid deaths who actually were killed by something else. These are not my figures. If the ONS and the FT are quoting them then perhaps we should pay attention to them. However I accept that the true number is never going to be accurate whichever way you calculate them. The sad fact remains that the number of deaths are one of the worst in the world and according to the experts tens of thousands of those could have been avoided had we not wasted so much time. There is no getting away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-31 11:42 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 11:33 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-31 8:20 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 6:15 AM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. So the FT is talking "global" not just the UK ??? ... Why dont we just stick to official figures rather than pretend made up stuff I suspect in most cases people do stick to the official figures but the figures of sixty thousand plus come from the Office of national statistics and its easy to see why the actual death toll is much higher as many cases especially in the elderly in care homes etc have been undiagnosed and unreported as Corona related deaths but clearly if you read the report its highly likely that these excess deaths were because of Covid 19. There are also many cases where people have died of other ailments because they were unable to get treated because of the Lock Down. So the figure of Covid or Covid related deaths is now probably around 65000 in the UK. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/analysisofdeathregistrationsnotinvolvingcoronaviruscovid19englandandwales28december2019to1may2020/technicalannex You fail to grasp that while many weren't put down to Covid because those poor souls who died had other health issues many others were even though the other health issues were the cause of death ... Stick to the official figures princess Were they? How do you know that? I suppose its possible if you had Covid and then got run over by a bus or suddenly had a heart attack but I am not aware of vast numbers of people being recorded as Covid deaths who actually were killed by something else. These are not my figures. If the ONS and the FT are quoting them then perhaps we should pay attention to them. However I accept that the true number is never going to be accurate whichever way you calculate them. The sad fact remains that the number of deaths are one of the worst in the world and according to the experts tens of thousands of those could have been avoided had we not wasted so much time. There is no getting away from that. ... https://fullfact.org/health/covid-deaths/ ... Nice to see you accept "that the true number is never going to be accurate" but yet you still prefer to edge on the Hollywood total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 6:15 AM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. So the FT is talking "global" not just the UK ??? ... Why dont we just stick to official figures rather than pretend made up stuff UK is included and i simply explained how the 65000 figure came about. It's not rocket science to work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-31 11:42 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 11:33 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-31 8:20 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 6:15 AM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. So the FT is talking "global" not just the UK ??? ... Why dont we just stick to official figures rather than pretend made up stuff I suspect in most cases people do stick to the official figures but the figures of sixty thousand plus come from the Office of national statistics and its easy to see why the actual death toll is much higher as many cases especially in the elderly in care homes etc have been undiagnosed and unreported as Corona related deaths but clearly if you read the report its highly likely that these excess deaths were because of Covid 19. There are also many cases where people have died of other ailments because they were unable to get treated because of the Lock Down. So the figure of Covid or Covid related deaths is now probably around 65000 in the UK. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/analysisofdeathregistrationsnotinvolvingcoronaviruscovid19englandandwales28december2019to1may2020/technicalannex You fail to grasp that while many weren't put down to Covid because those poor souls who died had other health issues many others were even though the other health issues were the cause of death ... Stick to the official figures princess The sad fact remains that the number of deaths are one of the worst in the world and according to the experts tens of thousands of those could have been avoided had we not wasted so much time. There is no getting away from that. That Covid occurred under Johnsons watch whose band of fools he'd chosen to surround himself with that went on to wreak havoc, not helped in the least by mis-management of his predecessors who were forewarned three years prior but chose to ignore, has been a very bitter pill for his fanatical supporters to swallow hence their defensive attitude. After all.....they want their oven ready Brexit. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 11:54 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-31 11:42 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 11:33 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-31 8:20 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-31 6:15 AM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 8:13 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 8:01 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-30 7:35 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-30 6:38 PM The article is reporting a figure for France from a 24 hour timeline. The overall total figures for cases and deaths show a very different story. As of 30 August 2020, 2,182, 822 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 332, 752, France 272, 530. As of 30 August 2020, 181 522 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: United Kingdom 41,498 France 30,602 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea Strange BFN says the death figure here is way beyond 60.000 ... You say 41.000 ... Maybe you should have a word with the monkey No Antony, my link says 41,000, not me, not BFN whoever that is, or anyone else. If referring to the FT tracker they stated long back the actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported. What is clear is UK fared much worse overall than France and similar size populated EU countries. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Your link Princess ... The link youve quoted which as you nicely say has been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK ... Which is it your 41.000 or BFNs upwards of 60.000 ... You both normally sing from the same hymn sheet, well Barry does once youve told him what to say Both Puffball if you want to indulge pedantry. The UK figure according to the ECDPC is 41,498 and it doesn't take much to figure the FT's statement of "actual death toll may be 60% higher than reported" comes out at 65,000. So the FT is talking "global" not just the UK ??? ... Why dont we just stick to official figures rather than pretend made up stuff I suspect in most cases people do stick to the official figures but the figures of sixty thousand plus come from the Office of national statistics and its easy to see why the actual death toll is much higher as many cases especially in the elderly in care homes etc have been undiagnosed and unreported as Corona related deaths but clearly if you read the report its highly likely that these excess deaths were because of Covid 19. There are also many cases where people have died of other ailments because they were unable to get treated because of the Lock Down. So the figure of Covid or Covid related deaths is now probably around 65000 in the UK. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/analysisofdeathregistrationsnotinvolvingcoronaviruscovid19englandandwales28december2019to1may2020/technicalannex You fail to grasp that while many weren't put down to Covid because those poor souls who died had other health issues many others were even though the other health issues were the cause of death ... Stick to the official figures princess Were they? How do you know that? I suppose its possible if you had Covid and then got run over by a bus or suddenly had a heart attack but I am not aware of vast numbers of people being recorded as Covid deaths who actually were killed by something else. These are not my figures. If the ONS and the FT are quoting them then perhaps we should pay attention to them. However I accept that the true number is never going to be accurate whichever way you calculate them. The sad fact remains that the number of deaths are one of the worst in the world and according to the experts tens of thousands of those could have been avoided had we not wasted so much time. There is no getting away from that. ... https://fullfact.org/health/covid-deaths/ ... Nice to see you accept "that the true number is never going to be accurate" but yet you still prefer to edge on the Hollywood total That report predates the later ONS one published in the FT and Guardian but if anything it suggests that the figure could indeed be higher. Ive always accepted that the figures could never be 100% accurate but I think its pretty clear that if anything they are higher than the official figure As said though even if you take the official figure its still unacceptable because of the monumental cock ups throughout the entire Pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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