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userBirdbrain
Posted: 28 July 2020 7:58 PM
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Posted: 29 July 2020 10:24 AM
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Who knows? I guess it depends how much track, tracing and testing is going on. Different countries do it differently, its nothing to do with the EU really.

Looks like we are still top of the leader board but our 14 day cumulative total of new infections is much lower than some countries. Worryingly though our death total per 100000 is higher than most.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Maybe our figures are going down because most of the vulnerable are already now dead.

Edited by Barryd999 2020-07-29 10:24 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-29 10:24 AM

Who knows? I guess it depends how much track, tracing and testing is going on. Different countries do it differently, its nothing to do with the EU really.

Looks like we are still top of the leader board but our 14 day cumulative total of new infections is much lower than some countries. Worryingly though our death total per 100000 is higher than most.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea



Seeing as in the UK we record anyone who dies WITH the virus......Not just those who die of the virus, its a bit early to compare scores on the doors ...........

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Posted: 30 July 2020 10:32 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:53 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-29 10:24 AM

Who knows? I guess it depends how much track, tracing and testing is going on. Different countries do it differently, its nothing to do with the EU really.

Looks like we are still top of the leader board but our 14 day cumulative total of new infections is much lower than some countries. Worryingly though our death total per 100000 is higher than most.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea



Seeing as in the UK we record anyone who dies WITH the virus......Not just those who die of the virus, its a bit early to compare scores on the doors ...........



What is the difference? We only record deaths where testing has proved the virus is present. There are many we dont record where its just "suspected". IF you had it, the only way Covid might not have played a role in your death is if you were maybe run over by a bus and otherwise perfectly healthy. In which case they wouldnt be testing you for Covid anyway.

Edited by Barryd999 2020-07-30 10:32 AM
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Posted: 30 July 2020 10:00 PM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-30 10:32 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:53 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-29 10:24 AM

Who knows? I guess it depends how much track, tracing and testing is going on. Different countries do it differently, its nothing to do with the EU really.

Looks like we are still top of the leader board but our 14 day cumulative total of new infections is much lower than some countries. Worryingly though our death total per 100000 is higher than most.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea



Seeing as in the UK we record anyone who dies WITH the virus......Not just those who die of the virus, its a bit early to compare scores on the doors ...........



What is the difference? We only record deaths where testing has proved the virus is present. There are many we dont record where its just "suspected". IF you had it, the only way Covid might not have played a role in your death is if you were maybe run over by a bus and otherwise perfectly healthy. In which case they wouldnt be testing you for Covid anyway.


The difference is.......No country has been using the same method to count their deaths ........

Not that it makes a lot of difference in a pandemic, as the authorities will always be one step behind a virus ........

The only difference in Blighty is that we have 48% population of bitter and twisted Losers .........

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Posted: 31 July 2020 8:46 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-30 10:00 PM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-30 10:32 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:53 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-29 10:24 AM

Who knows? I guess it depends how much track, tracing and testing is going on. Different countries do it differently, its nothing to do with the EU really.

Looks like we are still top of the leader board but our 14 day cumulative total of new infections is much lower than some countries. Worryingly though our death total per 100000 is higher than most.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea



Seeing as in the UK we record anyone who dies WITH the virus......Not just those who die of the virus, its a bit early to compare scores on the doors ...........



What is the difference? We only record deaths where testing has proved the virus is present. There are many we dont record where its just "suspected". IF you had it, the only way Covid might not have played a role in your death is if you were maybe run over by a bus and otherwise perfectly healthy. In which case they wouldnt be testing you for Covid anyway.


The difference is.......No country has been using the same method to count their deaths ........

Not that it makes a lot of difference in a pandemic, as the authorities will always be one step behind a virus ........

The only difference in Blighty is that we have 48% population of bitter and twisted Losers .........



You clearly never saw yesterdays news then. The ONS has calculated the death rates for all of Europe using the same methods and guess who came top of the leader board.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-england-longest-peak-deaths-europe-cases-latest-ons-a9645256.html
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Posted: 31 July 2020 8:53 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-31 8:46 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-30 10:00 PM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-30 10:32 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:53 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-29 10:24 AM

Who knows? I guess it depends how much track, tracing and testing is going on. Different countries do it differently, its nothing to do with the EU really.

Looks like we are still top of the leader board but our 14 day cumulative total of new infections is much lower than some countries. Worryingly though our death total per 100000 is higher than most.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea



Seeing as in the UK we record anyone who dies WITH the virus......Not just those who die of the virus, its a bit early to compare scores on the doors ...........



What is the difference? We only record deaths where testing has proved the virus is present. There are many we dont record where its just "suspected". IF you had it, the only way Covid might not have played a role in your death is if you were maybe run over by a bus and otherwise perfectly healthy. In which case they wouldnt be testing you for Covid anyway.


The difference is.......No country has been using the same method to count their deaths ........

Not that it makes a lot of difference in a pandemic, as the authorities will always be one step behind a virus ........

The only difference in Blighty is that we have 48% population of bitter and twisted Losers .........



You clearly never saw yesterdays news then. The ONS has calculated the death rates for all of Europe using the same methods and guess who came top of the leader board.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-england-longest-peak-deaths-europe-cases-latest-ons-a9645256.html


Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........

But that wouldn't suit your Loser Boris Bashing agenda would it? ..........

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Posted: 31 July 2020 9:41 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-31 8:53 AM


Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........






Scientists advise.

Politicians decide.

( ... even Boris Johnson has told us that ).

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Posted: 31 July 2020 10:24 AM
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malc d - 2020-07-31 9:41 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-31 8:53 AM


Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........






Scientists advise.

Politicians decide.

( ... even Boris Johnson has told us that ).



Yep........they base their descions on the what the scientists advise......ergo its the scientists who are to blame if their advice proves to be wrong ...........

Not that the Boris Bashing LLLLB on here will accept that fact ..........



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Posted: 31 July 2020 10:39 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-31 10:24 AM

malc d - 2020-07-31 9:41 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-31 8:53 AM


Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........






Scientists advise.

Politicians decide.

( ... even Boris Johnson has told us that ).



Yep........they base their descions on the what the scientists advise......ergo its the scientists who are to blame if their advice proves to be wrong ...........

Not that the Boris Bashing LLLLB on here will accept that fact ..........






Johnson wasn't around when a lot of the early ( bad ) decisions were made - so I wouldn't put it all down to him.

( Although I don't think he is running things even now ).

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Posted: 31 July 2020 10:51 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-31 8:53 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-31 8:46 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-30 10:00 PM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-30 10:32 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-30 8:53 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-29 10:24 AM

Who knows? I guess it depends how much track, tracing and testing is going on. Different countries do it differently, its nothing to do with the EU really.

Looks like we are still top of the leader board but our 14 day cumulative total of new infections is much lower than some countries. Worryingly though our death total per 100000 is higher than most.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea



Seeing as in the UK we record anyone who dies WITH the virus......Not just those who die of the virus, its a bit early to compare scores on the doors ...........



What is the difference? We only record deaths where testing has proved the virus is present. There are many we dont record where its just "suspected". IF you had it, the only way Covid might not have played a role in your death is if you were maybe run over by a bus and otherwise perfectly healthy. In which case they wouldnt be testing you for Covid anyway.


The difference is.......No country has been using the same method to count their deaths ........

Not that it makes a lot of difference in a pandemic, as the authorities will always be one step behind a virus ........

The only difference in Blighty is that we have 48% population of bitter and twisted Losers .........



You clearly never saw yesterdays news then. The ONS has calculated the death rates for all of Europe using the same methods and guess who came top of the leader board.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-england-longest-peak-deaths-europe-cases-latest-ons-a9645256.html


Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........

But that wouldn't suit your Loser Boris Bashing agenda would it? ..........



No he didnt! Him and Cummings were dabbling with herd immunity while the worlds scientists and leaders from countries like Italy were screaming at him to lock down. He also swerved 5 Cobra meetings and in January when it started to kick off was more interested in Brexit bongs!

The scientists have already started to break ranks, eventually the truth will out. This is the Tories and Johnsons doing and nobody elses.
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Posted: 31 July 2020 2:18 PM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-31 10:24 AM

malc d - 2020-07-31 9:41 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-31 8:53 AM


Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........






Scientists advise.

Politicians decide.

( ... even Boris Johnson has told us that ).



Yep........they base their descions on the what the scientists advise......ergo its the scientists who are to blame if their advice proves to be wrong ...........

Typical Brexit mindset. When it goes wrong it's ALWAYS somebody elses fault.

You lot have got to start taking accountability.
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Posted: 31 July 2020 2:23 PM
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malc d - 2020-07-31 10:39 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-31 10:24 AM

malc d - 2020-07-31 9:41 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-31 8:53 AM


Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........






Scientists advise.

Politicians decide.

( ... even Boris Johnson has told us that ).



Yep........they base their descions on the what the scientists advise......ergo its the scientists who are to blame if their advice proves to be wrong ...........

Not that the Boris Bashing LLLLB on here will accept that fact ..........






Johnson wasn't around when a lot of the early ( bad ) decisions were made - so I wouldn't put it all down to him.

( Although I don't think he is running things even now ).


Most of the time he spends hidden away until his puppet master boss dreams up some new silly soundbites for him to parrot to the cult adherents.
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Posted: 31 July 2020 7:15 PM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-31 10:24 AM
...........................….Yep........they base their descions on the what the scientists advise......ergo its the scientists who are to blame if their advice proves to be wrong ...........
Not that the Boris Bashing LLLLB on here will accept that fact ..........

It is never that simple, though, is it? There is a panel of scientists, all specialists in different fields. The question they are being asked is, in essence, "what should we do next"? Their advice, like that of economists or other specialists, will be nuanced, and in some respects contradictory. They are being asked to forecast how to achieve the best, overall, outcome. But, they will not be involved in assessing the economic consequences of their recommendations, which also have potentially severe consequences. So, more advice on that front.

The rate of transfer of the virus depends on human behaviour, so advice from the behavioural scientists on the probable outcome of any move to change behaviour across the population becomes essential. How will people react, how should the message be framed for greatest success? That becomes the problem.

If it were possible to say that everyone will comply to the letter with whatever instruction is issued, the epidemiologists can use the information they now have to forecast with reasonable, but not exacting, accuracy, how many people will be liable to become infected over a given period of time.

But, the government has a large slice of inbuilt resistance to commanding courses of action that impinge on people's liberty. You can hear this in their responses when interviewed. A lot of that reluctance is political. Some is inevitable, since they have to be liked to be elected, and are nervous about upsetting too many of their supporters. Some is that inbuilt conviction, visible more clearly in the USA, that the state should be small and stay out of people's lives. That, it seems to me, is why the messages seem so often to get mixed and muddled. They have notably held back from "telling it like it is".

It is people who spread the virus. Yet they speak endlessly in terms of the virus, and what it is doing. Simply, the virus does nothing, except making people ill. It has no brain, it has no means of propulsion, it merely goes where people send it, and does what it has evolved to do. They really need to drive home the message that unless people rigorously observe the instruction to maintain social distancing and, where that is not possible, to wear a face covering that conforms to a minimum specification (which needs also to be clearly stated), and to maintain hand washing, they will spread the virus if they become infected, and they won't necessarily know they are infected because of the number of people who remain asymptomatic (apparently estimated to be somewhere in the region of 40% of those infected). In effect, just do it.

Having been criticised (justly, IMO) for being initially too slow to act, they seem now to have veered into acting precipitately, and with inadequate explanation of their strategy. No-one, anywhere in the world, is finding this easy, but our position was set in stone during that delayed initial response. That led to a surge in cases that threatened the NHS and provoked the construction of the "Nightingale" hospitals (which, because the existing hospitals adapted so quickly to the surge were hardly used, despite the impact of those adaptations on non Covid related treatment). So, we just ducked under the NHS barrier, at the expense of a large number of people with non Covid related conditions, and began to bring the infection rate down.

So now we are releasing some of the restrictions to defend the economy, which seems to have been interpreted by too many as indicating that the whole thing has blown over, and are being told that a second wave is developing despite the scientists saying that it is not a second wave, but just a wave in the existing epidemic induced by people misinterpreting the relaxations. The same is happening elsewhere. Our problem is that we initially let the infection rate rise too far, too quickly, and the rest followed inexorably from that.

FWIW, I'm really sorry for all those in government because that one error lies at the root of our high infection and death rates, but also of the economic damage that belatedly trying to get back control, to coin a phrase, has, and is, inflicting on our economy, and they know it. Not an enviable legacy for them individually to have to live with, or for the party that chose to elect Johnson as their leader, and so PM, who then gained his famous electoral victory and selected his inexperienced, one note piano Brexit cabinet, is it?
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Well never mind! Johnson says it will all be over by Christmas and we have Brexit to look forward to!! Wahay!

What could possibly go wrong?
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Posted: 1 August 2020 9:52 AM
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malc d - 2020-07-31 10:39 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-31 10:24 AM

malc d - 2020-07-31 9:41 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-31 8:53 AM


Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........






Scientists advise.

Politicians decide.

( ... even Boris Johnson has told us that ).



Yep........they base their descions on the what the scientists advise......ergo its the scientists who are to blame if their advice proves to be wrong ...........

Not that the Boris Bashing LLLLB on here will accept that fact ..........






Johnson wasn't around when a lot of the early ( bad ) decisions were made - so I wouldn't put it all down to him.

( Although I don't think he is running things even now ).



Correct its not all down to him ..........

Coz Wales, NI and Scottish governments are responsible for their handling of COVID19 ..........

Have they managed any better than Boris?.........NO .........

So why aren't you LOSERS bitching about them???? .........

Oh silly me......they wanted to Remain in the EU didn't they ..........

You Boris Bashers are so ruddy transparent your double glazed ...........
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pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:52 AM.......................
1 Correct its not all down to him ..........
2 Coz Wales, NI and Scottish governments are responsible for their handling of COVID19 ..........
3 Have they managed any better than Boris?.........NO .........
4 So why aren't you LOSERS bitching about them???? .........
5 Oh silly me......they wanted to Remain in the EU didn't they ..........
6 You Boris Bashers are so ruddy transparent your double glazed ...........

1 Arguably true.
2 Largely true.
3 NI and Scotland definitely have. Only Wales is worse.
4 At a guess, because most of us live in England, and Wales is the only UK country where the figures are worse than England's - so it seems inappropriate to crow.
5 No, Wales voted majority leave.
6 Two sheets of glass are less transparent than one. Physics, innit? But both are in any case irrelevant to Covid.
So, 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 are irrelevant to the string, leaving only 3, which is wrong but, as the string seeks to compare the UK as a whole to the EU as a whole, 3 is also irrelevant.

However, since Dave has raised it, there is an uncomfortable (though interesting, even if strictly OT) truth here. Both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remain, and both have better Covid infection, and death, rates than England or Wales. Make of that what you will! Is someone trying to tell someone something unwelcome? Makes you think, doesn't it?
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To exacerbate all this increased infection, the UK had an obesity problem before cv19. According to the latest survey of groups of people before lockdown to now, those who were overweight before have become more overweight thus increasing their likelihood of hospitalisation and death. So if they can’t take that seriously there is little hope for many of them.
Get fat...die early.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-08-01 12:47 PM

pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:52 AM.......................
1 Correct its not all down to him ..........
2 Coz Wales, NI and Scottish governments are responsible for their handling of COVID19 ..........
3 Have they managed any better than Boris?.........NO .........
4 So why aren't you LOSERS bitching about them???? .........
5 Oh silly me......they wanted to Remain in the EU didn't they ..........
6 You Boris Bashers are so ruddy transparent your double glazed ...........

1 Arguably true.
2 Largely true.
3 NI and Scotland definitely have. Only Wales is worse.
4 At a guess, because most of us live in England, and Wales is the only UK country where the figures are worse than England's - so it seems inappropriate to crow.
5 No, Wales voted majority leave.
6 Two sheets of glass are less transparent than one. Physics, innit? But both are in any case irrelevant to Covid.
So, 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 are irrelevant to the string, leaving only 3, which is wrong but, as the string seeks to compare the UK as a whole to the EU as a whole, 3 is also irrelevant.

However, since Dave has raised it, there is an uncomfortable (though interesting, even if strictly OT) truth here. Both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remain, and both have better Covid infection, and death, rates than England or Wales. Make of that what you will! Is someone trying to tell someone something unwelcome? Makes you think, doesn't it?


Hmmm. Yes I see what you mean. Is it also coincidence that populist led countries with morons as leaders are also topping the covid death polls? USA, Mexico, Brazil, UK! Anyone see a pattern here? Morons leading morons!
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Brian Kirby - 2020-08-01 12:47 PM

pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:52 AM.......................
1 Correct its not all down to him ..........
2 Coz Wales, NI and Scottish governments are responsible for their handling of COVID19 ..........
3 Have they managed any better than Boris?.........NO .........
4 So why aren't you LOSERS bitching about them???? .........
5 Oh silly me......they wanted to Remain in the EU didn't they ..........
6 You Boris Bashers are so ruddy transparent your double glazed ...........

1 Arguably true.
2 Largely true.
3 NI and Scotland definitely have. Only Wales is worse.
4 At a guess, because most of us live in England, and Wales is the only UK country where the figures are worse than England's - so it seems inappropriate to crow.
5 No, Wales voted majority leave.
6 Two sheets of glass are less transparent than one. Physics, innit? But both are in any case irrelevant to Covid.
So, 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 are irrelevant to the string, leaving only 3, which is wrong but, as the string seeks to compare the UK as a whole to the EU as a whole, 3 is also irrelevant.

However, since Dave has raised it, there is an uncomfortable (though interesting, even if strictly OT) truth here. Both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remain, and both have better Covid infection, and death, rates than England or Wales. Make of that what you will! Is someone trying to tell someone something unwelcome? Makes you think, doesn't it?


Hmmm. Yes I see what you mean. Is it also coincidence that populist led countries with morons as leaders are also topping the covid death polls? USA, Mexico, Brazil, UK! Anyone see a pattern here? Morons leading morons!

I made the same comment about populist led countries a few weeks back when we had just been overtaken by Brazil as the worlds worst ranking which rankled with the Brexit bunch. Present indisputable (uncomfortable) facts to them as in Brians post and they have no credible answer. Not that any pandemic has political borders as it doesn't, but it does raise the question why such high fatality figures.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-08-01 12:47 PM

pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:52 AM.......................
1 Correct its not all down to him ..........
2 Coz Wales, NI and Scottish governments are responsible for their handling of COVID19 ..........
3 Have they managed any better than Boris?.........NO .........
4 So why aren't you LOSERS bitching about them???? .........
5 Oh silly me......they wanted to Remain in the EU didn't they ..........
6 You Boris Bashers are so ruddy transparent your double glazed ...........

1 Arguably true.
2 Largely true.
3 NI and Scotland definitely have. Only Wales is worse.
4 At a guess, because most of us live in England, and Wales is the only UK country where the figures are worse than England's - so it seems inappropriate to crow.
5 No, Wales voted majority leave.
6 Two sheets of glass are less transparent than one. Physics, innit? But both are in any case irrelevant to Covid.
So, 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 are irrelevant to the string, leaving only 3, which is wrong but, as the string seeks to compare the UK as a whole to the EU as a whole, 3 is also irrelevant.

However, since Dave has raised it, there is an uncomfortable (though interesting, even if strictly OT) truth here. Both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remain, and both have better Covid infection, and death, rates than England or Wales. Make of that what you will! Is someone trying to tell someone something unwelcome? Makes you think, doesn't it?


Hmmm. Yes I see what you mean. Is it also coincidence that populist led countries with morons as leaders are also topping the covid death polls? USA, Mexico, Brazil, UK! Anyone see a pattern here? Morons leading morons!

I made the same comment about populist led countries a few weeks back when we had just been overtaken by Brazil as the worlds worst ranking which rankled with the Brexit bunch. Present indisputable (uncomfortable) facts to them as in Brians post and they have no credible answer. Not that any pandemic has political borders as it doesn't, but it does raise the question why such high fatality figures.


I think the answer is obvious. Populist leaders are incredibly popular with those on "their" side of the massive rift in society they create. Their followers become like disciples and just swallow and believe everything they say without question as they are promising them the earth which is how they get elected. When something like this comes along it fly's in the face of their "Can do promise the earth" attitude that got them elected so they play it down. Say stuff like "Take it on the chin", "of course its alright to shake hands", "it will all be over by christmas" etc etc etc (look at some of the sh1t Trump came out with). So their disciples think "Wahay! it will all be fine, we just do what we like", "Maybe go on a day out to Barnard Castle.

The Populist leaders cant afford to upset the Apple Cart they lied their way into filling and by the time they are forced to because everyone is dying, its too late.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-08-01 12:47 PM

pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:52 AM.......................
1 Correct its not all down to him ..........
2 Coz Wales, NI and Scottish governments are responsible for their handling of COVID19 ..........
3 Have they managed any better than Boris?.........NO .........
4 So why aren't you LOSERS bitching about them???? .........
5 Oh silly me......they wanted to Remain in the EU didn't they ..........
6 You Boris Bashers are so ruddy transparent your double glazed ...........

1 Arguably true.
2 Largely true.
3 NI and Scotland definitely have. Only Wales is worse.
4 At a guess, because most of us live in England, and Wales is the only UK country where the figures are worse than England's - so it seems inappropriate to crow.
5 No, Wales voted majority leave.
6 Two sheets of glass are less transparent than one. Physics, innit? But both are in any case irrelevant to Covid.
So, 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 are irrelevant to the string, leaving only 3, which is wrong but, as the string seeks to compare the UK as a whole to the EU as a whole, 3 is also irrelevant.

However, since Dave has raised it, there is an uncomfortable (though interesting, even if strictly OT) truth here. Both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of remain, and both have better Covid infection, and death, rates than England or Wales. Make of that what you will! Is someone trying to tell someone something unwelcome? Makes you think, doesn't it?


So you agree with 1 & 2 .......

3..........Considering their populations are tiny compared to England......It's hardly surprising .........

4..........It hasn't stopped you LLLLB folk crowing .......

5..........Yep against the wishes of their government ........

6.........Pyhsics didn't stop you Losing in 2016........It's your Loser problem that is stopping you from moving on with your Loser Life .........

Move on Losers ........

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pelmetman - 2020-07-31 10:24 AM



Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........







Did they advise BoJo to miss the first 5 Cobra meetings, and go around shaking hands whilst other countries were securing all the PPE and locking down
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Move on Losers ........



Brian has just demolished every point you made, and that is your reply
Can I just ask again what we have lost that you haven't ?
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pelmetman - 2020-07-31 10:24 AM



Seeing as Boris followed the advice of the scientists ...........

It's them you should be blaming for getting it wrong ...........







Did they advise BoJo to miss the first 5 Cobra meetings, and go around shaking hands whilst other countries were securing all the PPE and locking down


So which countries secured all the PPE? ...........

Wales?? .......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52339103

Scotland ??? .......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-52516136

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Move on Losers ........



Brian has just demolished every point you made, and that is your reply
Can I just ask again what we have lost that you haven't ?


Only a briandead "Loser" would think that .........


















































PS its not a typo .........
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John52 - 2020-08-01 8:10 PM

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Move on Losers ........



Brian has just demolished every point you made, and that is your reply

What else than 'lefty, liberal, losers' can be expected from such low intellect?
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Move on Losers ........



Brian has just demolished every point you made, and that is your reply

What else than 'lefty, liberal, losers' can be expected from such low intellect?


I'd rather be low intellect a winner.....Than a high intellect whiner .......

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suggest you check facts. Number of infections and deaths in Wales , Northern Ireland and Scotland in the last week alone.
Number of deaths and infections in England. There is a big problem with the pandemic in England and your leader and the media are not telling you the full story and too many people are just accepting the false guidance and instruction you are getting. People are sill being infected and dying and in big numbers in England.
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forgot to say
coronavirus death figures for July
NI 5
Sc 6
Wa 46
En 2,230

You can understand why the media & UK Gov dress up the results as the UK figures. Doing everything to hide their incompetence. UK & England are interchangeable as far as media us concerned.
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