Bulletguy Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 This question was raised by radio broadcaster Terry Christian and i've since seen it posed on a few forums. He makes a valid point. "When warned of the consequences, Leave voters parroted the lies of Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. This was Project Fear – everything would be immediately better after Brexit, no jobs would be lost, the pound would retain its value, the EU would be desperate to sort us a trade deal and it would be the easiest thing in the world. Those of us supporting Remain were called Remoaners and doom mongers. As events unfolded, and the pound tanked and murmurs of a downturn came about, the Farages and Johnsons still called it Project Fear, but then they started to say ‘yes, it may be bumpy for a while, but it’s only short term pain’. These little sound bites – ‘short term pain’, ‘take back control’ – seemed to replace thought when it came to any attempt at a serious discussion of the issues with Brexiters. It was the equivalent of them sticking their fingers in their ears and going ‘la la la la’. I wanted to test this bravado, to see how the Brexiters felt knowing that their ‘short term pain’ and Project Fear bluff was being called, so I tweeted out a poll asking whether, if a business had to make difficult choices about laying workers off because of Brexit, the first to go should be those who voted Leave. After all, the Brexiters had said they didn’t mind short term pain. And as each piece of bad news once dismissed as Project Fear became project fact, they merely said it made no difference, that they knew exactly what they were voting for anyway, that they knew it would be tough at first but, after that, sunlit uplands all the way. The moral case is clear: don’t invite others to own the consequences of your choices. First, you must own them. Still, if it’s any consolation for those Leavers who lose their jobs, it will give them more time to sit at home watching old war films. I don’t celebrate anyone losing their jobs, but Brexit means jobs will go on a massive scale and it really should be those who championed , and continue to champion, this disaster who get to suffer from it. So I say to them, as they contemplate their P45s: “You won. Get over it.”" https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/terry-christian-says-sack-brexit-voters-first-1-5901305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 No doubt he wont name names either ;-) .............. So that us Brexiteers can boycott those firms >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-24 9:10 AM No doubt he wont name names either ;-) .............. So that us Brexiteers can boycott those firms >:-) ........ And you wonder why companies like Honda are cautious about mentioning Brexit for their reasons to leave the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Does that mean that every worker over 55 years of age should be sacked if things go badly after Brexit ? :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 malc d - 2019-02-24 10:02 AM Does that mean that every worker over 55 years of age should be sacked if things go badly after Brexit ? :-| Japanese car factories in the UK would not employ anyone over the age of 40 unless they had specialist skills that were in demand. I know this personally as I passed the tests at Nissan. I had one of the highest scores seen in the written tests and passed all the mechanical tests in their workshop ..... then a technician in that department asked me my age. When I told him, he told me I had wasted my time applying. I was too old ....... he was right but it took them 8 months to inform me that I had been unsuccessful. It was no hardship though, by that time I was earning 5 times the Nissan salary (tax free) overseas. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 It is typical of remoaner whingers to take that attitude and given their scaremongering desperation attitude I doubt anyone is really surprised that they want to abdicate their own responibility and let everyone else suffer for their own lack of moral fibre and abysmal failure to help build the future of the UK. After all it is in their interests too - or should the UK exclude all remoaners from future prosperity? Most companies will sensibly take a number of factors into account when cutting a workforce and hopefully those with most potential benefit to any company's future will remain whilst those who whinge and moan and destroy morale and generally do not pull their weight will hopefully be first to go. Considering we have not left the EU yet the whingers have managed to do more harm and doubt sowing in two years than even the EU has so far managed to wreak on the UK. If in two years time the UK econony is failing, then will be the time to whinge and blame everyone else - except their own whingeing of course as they are unable to see far enough into the future to consider their own part in this saga. It's a new future and nobody knows how it will pan out but the remoaners are taking the unknown and with no evidence saying it will be worse than the known past and this takes no account of how the EU might change as that too has no evidence because it too has not happened yet. From what I see of the known EU I prefer the unknown as a future to a 1/28th part in an ever more powerful authoritarian control freak EU. Everyone is so keen to blame anyone else that the point seems to be lost that in negotiations it takes two parties to tango and nobody ever negotiated anything from a position of weakness so to remove 'no deal' from the negotiating table now would be suicidal and tantamout to surrender. I don't think the government has made a very good job of Brexit so far but given the opposition from all and sundry and even from within her own party it is hardly surprising and I have the utmost respect for Mrs May for seeing it through so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Tracker - 2019-02-24 1:53 PM It is typical of remoaner whingers to take that attitude and given their scaremongering desperation attitude I doubt anyone is really surprised that they want to abdicate their own responibility and let everyone else suffer for their own lack of moral fibre and abysmal failure to help build the future of the UK. After all it is in their interests too - or should the UK exclude all remoaners from future prosperity? Most companies will sensibly take a number of factors into account when cutting a workforce and hopefully those with most potential benefit to any company's future will remain whilst those who whinge and moan and destroy morale and generally do not pull their weight will hopefully be first to go. Considering we have not left the EU yet the whingers have managed to do more harm and doubt sowing in two years than even the EU has so far managed to wreak on the UK. If in two years time the UK econony is failing, then will be the time to whinge and blame everyone else - except their own whingeing of course as they are unable to see far enough into the future to consider their own part in this saga. It's a new future and nobody knows how it will pan out but the remoaners are taking the unknown and with no evidence saying it will be worse than the known past and this takes no account of how the EU might change as that too has no evidence because it too has not happened yet. From what I see of the known EU I prefer the unknown as a future to a 1/28th part in an ever more powerful authoritarian control freak EU. Everyone is so keen to blame anyone else that the point seems to be lost that in negotiations it takes two parties to tango and nobody ever negotiated anything from a position of weakness so to remove 'no deal' from the negotiating table now would be suicidal and tantamout to surrender. I don't think the government has made a very good job of Brexit so far but given the opposition from all and sundry and even from within her own party it is hardly surprising and I have the utmost respect for Mrs May for seeing it through so far Calm down Rich! Its not really a serious thread (I dont think) Ill address a few comments if I may though. Point one (in bold). I am happy to accept that as long as it works both ways. B-) Point two (in bold) We keep getting told that nothing we say or do on social media or with our Rallies etc will change anything so how can it be us wreaking the harm? Brexit has wreaked the harm and will continue to do so. Before this referendum most of the population didnt even know what the fecking EU was! (2nd most googled phrase AFTER the referendum "What is the EU") Point three (in bold). As a reasonable rational sort of person (lol) with a reasonable education and probably average intelligence I have spent three years researching as much about the EU, Brexit and the possible consequences of our exit. I have studied the "evidence", the Governments own analysis and debated it endlessly across social media and IMO there is so much evidence against Brexit showing it will be detrimental to our economy and way of life its overwhelming. None of that matters to the devoted hard Brexiteers though as they refuse to look at any of it or accept it as its now a cult for some of them while the massive majority who voted leave have simply been oblivious to the evidence built up over the past two and a half years as they dropped out of the debate ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 2:17 PM As a reasonable rational sort of person (lol) with a reasonable education and probably average intelligence Really!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Tracker - 2019-02-24 2:45 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 2:17 PM As a reasonable rational sort of person (lol) with a reasonable education and probably average intelligence Really!! No, I'm actually above average intelligence apparently, I just didn't want to come across as a clever sod (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 malc d - 2019-02-24 10:02 AM Does that mean that every worker over 55 years of age should be sacked if things go badly after Brexit ? :-| No, those who voted Brexit which screwed up the business. I don't see where age should have any bearing. Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 2:17 PM Calm down Rich! Its not really a serious thread (I dont think) Whilst i think his comment was probably a bit tongue in cheek, if you read the whole article he raises some very valid thought provoking points actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-24 3:15 PM malc d - 2019-02-24 10:02 AM Does that mean that every worker over 55 years of age should be sacked if things go badly after Brexit ? :-| No, those who voted Brexit which screwed up the business. I don't see where age should have any bearing. . ------ and just how do you intend to identify those who voted for Brexit ? It's Barry who thinks you can identify Brexiteers by age - not me. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 3:11 PM Tracker - 2019-02-24 2:45 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-24 2:17 PM As a reasonable rational sort of person (lol) with a reasonable education and probably average intelligence Really!! I just didn't want to come across as a clever sod There's no risk of that Barry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-24 3:15 PM Whilst i think his comment was probably a bit tongue in cheek, if you read the whole article he raises some very valid thought provoking points actually. Really, I suppose if you are a remoaner wet they might be seen as valid points but to normal folk it is just more of the same old same old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 malc d - 2019-02-24 3:53 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-24 3:15 PM malc d - 2019-02-24 10:02 AM Does that mean that every worker over 55 years of age should be sacked if things go badly after Brexit ? :-| No, those who voted Brexit which screwed up the business. I don't see where age should have any bearing. . ------ and just how do you intend to identify those who voted for Brexit ? It's Barry who thinks you can identify Brexiteers by age - not me. ;-) They can't hide their 'persuasions' for a start...it doesn't take much to suss 'em out!** As for the age demographic, i know the general consensus is old 'gammons' = Brexit voters where younger generation = Remain, yet i've seen and heard the reverse on discussion progs, forums and news reports. **edit....and bang on cue, you can see what i mean by the above post! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Back in 2016 all the motorhome forums ran polls on Brexit and they were all massively in favour of leaving. I cant find the one on here (although I p*ssed myself seeing some of the many Brexit related titles over the past three years) but I think it was as high as 75% in favour of leaving. I think other motorhome forums were similar although the one on FACTS not as high and later post referendum polls on there showed a swing to remain. Motorhomers are generally old, thats a fact and you would have thought that it was like Turkeys voting for Christmas but vote for Brexit they did so I think its pretty clear that the older generation massively favoured leaving the EU and the younger generation that will have to live with that decision the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-02-25 12:24 PM Back in 2016 all the motorhome forums ran polls on Brexit and they were all massively in favour of leaving. I cant find the one on here (although I p*ssed myself seeing some of the many Brexit related titles over the past three years) but I think it was as high as 75% in favour of leaving. I think other motorhome forums were similar although the one on FACTS not as high and later post referendum polls on there showed a swing to remain. Motorhomers are generally old, thats a fact and you would have thought that it was like Turkeys voting for Christmas but vote for Brexit they did so I think its pretty clear that the older generation massively favoured leaving the EU and the younger generation that will have to live with that decision the opposite. So your conclusions on the " old " folk of Britain are based on motorhome forums. …………. what about all the motorhomers who don't let us all know what they think, on forums ? Come to think of it - how about all the " old " people who haven't got motorhomes ( which is probably most old people ) - how did you decide what they think ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 malc d - 2019-02-25 3:24 PM Barryd999 - 2019-02-25 12:24 PM Back in 2016 all the motorhome forums ran polls on Brexit and they were all massively in favour of leaving. I cant find the one on here (although I p*ssed myself seeing some of the many Brexit related titles over the past three years) but I think it was as high as 75% in favour of leaving. I think other motorhome forums were similar although the one on FACTS not as high and later post referendum polls on there showed a swing to remain. Motorhomers are generally old, thats a fact and you would have thought that it was like Turkeys voting for Christmas but vote for Brexit they did so I think its pretty clear that the older generation massively favoured leaving the EU and the younger generation that will have to live with that decision the opposite. So your conclusions on the " old " folk of Britain are based on motorhome forums. …………. what about all the motorhomers who don't let us all know what they think, on forums ? Come to think of it - how about all the " old " people who haven't got motorhomes ( which is probably most old people ) - how did you decide what they think ? ;-) Well we know what they think from the vast amount of demographic data that is now out there. The older you were the more likely you were to vote leave and the younger the more likely remain with the middle ground being late 40s. I emphasised that already proved demographic by showing how the polls went on several motorhome forums where clearly most people will be over 50 with the bulk over retirement age. In some respects you would expect an ageing demographic of motorhomers who travel a lot in Europe and the fact that they will face considerable difficulty in continuing to do so post Brexit that their voting choice would be different to the rest of their age group but it clearly wasnt. What it does show though is the stats on age demographic to which way you voted are generally correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I think motorhome owners are an admirable lot. They put the good of their country ahead of their personal life choices. Give yourselves a pat on the back .... it looks like Anthony has a Pat on his back now ..... and a Bullet aimed at him. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Well - they say that wisdom comes with age - so maybe I got it wrong when I voted to remain. In view of all the flak ALL us old 'uns have had from some of the Remainiacs , if there is another referendum maybe I should consider voting for OUT. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 747 - 2019-02-25 5:24 PM I think motorhome owners are an admirable lot. They put the good of their country ahead of their personal life choices. Give yourselves a pat on the back .... it looks like Anthony has a Pat on his back now ..... and a Bullet aimed at him. :D You've noticed ... Dont worry about me I upped my home security last year when Bullet searched out my home address ... I did become a little more concerned though a few weeks ago when he started reciting word for word my 8 year old posts but I have notified the cops ... Looks like his girlfriend Fart Part has an obsession with moi n'all timing how long it takes me to answer him/her/it ... I think ive become family to em both ... Be careful out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-25 5:52 PM 747 - 2019-02-25 5:24 PM I think motorhome owners are an admirable lot. They put the good of their country ahead of their personal life choices. Give yourselves a pat on the back .... it looks like Anthony has a Pat on his back now ..... and a Bullet aimed at him. :D You've noticed ... Dont worry about me I upped my home security last year when Bullet searched out my home address ... I did become a little more concerned though a few weeks ago when he started reciting word for word my 8 year old posts but I have notified the cops ... Looks like his girlfriend Fart Part has an obsession with moi n'all timing how long it takes me to answer him/her/it ... I think ive become family to em both ... Be careful out there PMSL!!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) You're one sick puppy.....get down to the vets. (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-25 5:52 PM 747 - 2019-02-25 5:24 PM I think motorhome owners are an admirable lot. They put the good of their country ahead of their personal life choices. Give yourselves a pat on the back .... it looks like Anthony has a Pat on his back now ..... and a Bullet aimed at him. :D You've noticed ... Dont worry about me I upped my home security last year when Bullet searched out my home address ... I did become a little more concerned though a few weeks ago when he started reciting word for word my 8 year old posts but I have notified the cops ... Looks like his girlfriend Fart Part has an obsession with moi n'all timing how long it takes me to answer him/her/it ... I think ive become family to em both ... Be careful out there https://tinyurl.com/y6kqzgud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 See what I mean 747474 ... The twins wont leave me alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-02-25 6:51 PM See what I mean 747474 ... The twins wont leave me alone Yes ... they seem to have a lot of ... erm ... Momentum. 8-) Have they found out that you might be Jewish? 8-) There is bound to be a file on you now ..... in Moscow. :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 747 - 2019-02-25 7:16 PM antony1969 - 2019-02-25 6:51 PM See what I mean 747474 ... The twins wont leave me alone Yes ... they seem to have a lot of ... erm ... Momentum. 8-) Have they found out that you might be Jewish? 8-) There is bound to be a file on you now ..... in Moscow. :'( I actually do have some Jewish blood but for Allahs sake dont tell those 2 anti-Semitwins ... Bullet has more contact with me than his own family , not difficult I suppose even his gas and electric suppliers talk to him more than his family ... Cant think why they dont bother with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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