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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

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Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

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Conrad - 2019-12-01 8:31 PM

 

It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

.

 

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

 

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

 

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

 

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

 

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

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So you agree with Corbyn that they should be let out? *-) ............

 

Perhaps they should be dumped in West Wales instead of Stoke? :-| ........

 

 

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And behind the Daily wail headline what does it actually say in the article?

 

Seems a balanced and sensible responsible way to behave to me.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-warned-london-bridge-attack-usman-khan-stabbing-terrorist-a9227681.html

 

Were as your man Johnson stated that there were no funds for deradicalization and failing Grayling stripped 50%* funding from the probationary services when he privatised it.

 

 

*Actually ended up costing taxpayers more and the interim all the experienced staff lost. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/probation-services-privatisation-costs-taxpayer-prisons-criminals-repeat-offenders-a8801861.html

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And behind the Daily wail headline what does it actually say in the article?

 

Seems a balanced and sensible responsible way to behave to me.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-warned-london-bridge-attack-usman-khan-stabbing-terrorist-a9227681.html

Nazir Afzals conversation with Johnson about resources is truly damning.

 

Were as your man Johnson stated that there were no funds for deradicalization and failing Grayling stripped 50%* funding from the probationary services when he privatised it.

 

*Actually ended up costing taxpayers more and the interim all the experienced staff lost. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/probation-services-privatisation-costs-taxpayer-prisons-criminals-repeat-offenders-a8801861.html

This sums the Tory government up in one word.....privatise. Giving the job to Failing Grayling just adds insult to injury. *-)

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Fast Pat - 2019-12-02 9:19 AM

 

And behind the Daily wail headline what does it actually say in the article?

 

Seems a balanced and sensible responsible way to behave to me.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-warned-london-bridge-attack-usman-khan-stabbing-terrorist-a9227681.html

 

Were as your man Johnson stated that there were no funds for deradicalization and failing Grayling stripped 50%* funding from the probationary services when he privatised it.

 

 

*Actually ended up costing taxpayers more and the interim all the experienced staff lost. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/probation-services-privatisation-costs-taxpayer-prisons-criminals-repeat-offenders-a8801861.html

 

Cant say I'm surprised that an IRA terrorist sympathizer like you would be on the side of Islamic Terrorists :-| ............

 

Your enemy is my enemy eh? *-) ............

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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

.

 

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

 

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

 

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

 

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

 

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

 

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

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pelmetman - 2019-12-02 8:57 AM

 

John52 - 2019-12-01 10:25 PM

 

Conrad - 2019-12-01 8:31 PM

 

It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

.

 

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

 

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

 

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

 

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

 

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

 

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

 

Easy ;-) ......

 

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

 

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

 

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

Easy ;-) ......

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

Some years ago the metropolitan French had a little expression: all Parisians are French, but not all French are Parisians.

The same is true for Islamist terrorists. All Islamic terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists. You can't lock up all Muslims just in case: it is neither possible nor just.. If you want rule by law, you have to stick to the law.

 

We are all at risk, to varying degrees. We can't remove the risk, because we don't know in advance who, individually, is the threat. If we descend to the level of the Islamists we join them in the same sewer. Is that really the Britain you voted for in the referendum?

 

We have to have the individual courage needed to face the risk, and deal with it constructively in a civilised way. Otherwise, we just invite the next attack, and the following gone, into infinity. We should not be driven to knee-jerk reactions by fear, they won't work. It is hard, but lashing out in frustration is liable to make matters worse, when we need to make them better. We need the cooperation and assistance of the Muslim community to identify the threats, and we are unlikely to gain that by demonising them, as you continually do.

 

I worked in and around London pretty much throughout the period of IRA terrorism, when pillar boxes became suspect objects, and an apparently unattended bag or case made everyone uneasy. The difference between then and now is that Islamist terrorists espouse their own deaths, while IRA terrorists wanted to live.

 

Islamists pose a more severe threat than the IRA for that reason alone. We can't eliminate them, we have to live with, and manage as best we can, their threat, until it passes. They exist, they are real: we have no choice. The best thing any government could do is to say so, and drop this infantile cant about "keeping the public safe". They can't.

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Islamists pose a more severe threat than the IRA for that reason alone. We can't eliminate them, we have to live with, and manage as best we can, their threat, until it passes. They exist, they are real: we have no choice. The best thing any government could do is to say so, and drop this infantile cant about "keeping the public safe". They can't.

 

Or better still keep em locked up :-| ............and tax Liberals for their keep >:-) ........

 

 

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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

Easy ;-) ......

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

Some years ago the metropolitan French had a little expression: all Parisians are French, but not all French are Parisians.

The same is true for Islamist terrorists. All Islamic terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists. You can't lock up all Muslims just in case: it is neither possible nor just.. If you want rule by law, you have to stick to the law.

 

We are all at risk, to varying degrees. We can't remove the risk, because we don't know in advance who, individually, is the threat. If we descend to the level of the Islamists we join them in the same sewer. Is that really the Britain you voted for in the referendum?

 

We have to have the individual courage needed to face the risk, and deal with it constructively in a civilised way. Otherwise, we just invite the next attack, and the following gone, into infinity. We should not be driven to knee-jerk reactions by fear, they won't work. It is hard, but lashing out in frustration is liable to make matters worse, when we need to make them better. We need the cooperation and assistance of the Muslim community to identify the threats, and we are unlikely to gain that by demonising them, as you continually do.

 

I worked in and around London pretty much throughout the period of IRA terrorism, when pillar boxes became suspect objects, and an apparently unattended bag or case made everyone uneasy. The difference between then and now is that Islamist terrorists espouse their own deaths, while IRA terrorists wanted to live.

 

Islamists pose a more severe threat than the IRA for that reason alone. We can't eliminate them, we have to live with, and manage as best we can, their threat, until it passes. They exist, they are real: we have no choice. The best thing any government could do is to say so, and drop this infantile cant about "keeping the public safe". They can't.

 

I thought there was no connection between Muslims and Islamists ??? ... Now your belly aching for Muslims co-operation to out those in their community ... Make your mind up Brian ... Just a dose of reality , Muslim sex gangs , though you prolly call em Islamist sex gangs have been plentiful unfortunately in this country over the last few years and not once have I heard Muslims have outed their own in exposing these perverts , why would they do different and expose Muslim/Islamist terrorists ???

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Conrad - 2019-12-01 8:31 PM

 

It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

.

 

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

 

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

 

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

 

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

 

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

 

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

 

Easy ;-) ......

 

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

 

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

 

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

 

So they are going to tell you they are Muslims if that means you will send them to prison for life *-)

Your most cunning plan since threatening suicide bombers with the death sentence *-)

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pelmetman - 2019-12-02 8:57 AM

 

John52 - 2019-12-01 10:25 PM

 

Conrad - 2019-12-01 8:31 PM

 

It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

.

 

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

 

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

 

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

 

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

 

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

 

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

 

Easy ;-) ......

 

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

 

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

 

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

 

So they are going to tell you they are Muslims if that means you will send them to prison for life *-)

Your most cunning plan since threatening suicide bombers with the death sentence *-)

That sums up Mad Hatters batsh1t crazy logic. :-|

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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

Easy ;-) ......

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

Some years ago the metropolitan French had a little expression: all Parisians are French, but not all French are Parisians.

The same is true for Islamist terrorists. All Islamic terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists. You can't lock up all Muslims just in case: it is neither possible nor just.. If you want rule by law, you have to stick to the law.

 

We are all at risk, to varying degrees. We can't remove the risk, because we don't know in advance who, individually, is the threat. If we descend to the level of the Islamists we join them in the same sewer. Is that really the Britain you voted for in the referendum?

 

We have to have the individual courage needed to face the risk, and deal with it constructively in a civilised way. Otherwise, we just invite the next attack, and the following gone, into infinity. We should not be driven to knee-jerk reactions by fear, they won't work. It is hard, but lashing out in frustration is liable to make matters worse, when we need to make them better. We need the cooperation and assistance of the Muslim community to identify the threats, and we are unlikely to gain that by demonising them, as you continually do.

 

I worked in and around London pretty much throughout the period of IRA terrorism, when pillar boxes became suspect objects, and an apparently unattended bag or case made everyone uneasy. The difference between then and now is that Islamist terrorists espouse their own deaths, while IRA terrorists wanted to live.

 

Islamists pose a more severe threat than the IRA for that reason alone. We can't eliminate them, we have to live with, and manage as best we can, their threat, until it passes. They exist, they are real: we have no choice. The best thing any government could do is to say so, and drop this infantile cant about "keeping the public safe". They can't.

I thought there was no connection between Muslims and Islamists ??? ... Now your belly aching for Muslims co-operation to out those in their community ... Make your mind up Brian ... Just a dose of reality , Muslim sex gangs , though you prolly call em Islamist sex gangs have been plentiful unfortunately in this country over the last few years and not once have I heard Muslims have outed their own in exposing these perverts , why would they do different and expose Muslim/Islamist terrorists ???

Do I really have to spell out the obvious?? Is it that hard? Is this too opaque for you? " All Islamic terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists". That is the connection, as stated above, which you seem not to have read, or unable to understand. It doesn't help when you conflate paedophiles with terrorists, does it?

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John52 - 2019-12-02 12:16 PM

 

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John52 - 2019-12-01 10:25 PM

 

Conrad - 2019-12-01 8:31 PM

 

It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

.

 

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

 

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

 

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

 

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

 

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

 

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

 

Easy ;-) ......

 

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

 

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

 

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

 

So they are going to tell you they are Muslims if that means you will send them to prison for life *-)

Your most cunning plan since threatening suicide bombers with the death sentence *-)

 

They usually drop a few unsubtle clues by shouting "Allahu Akbar" as they stab people to death *-) ........

 

 

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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

Easy ;-) ......

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

Some years ago the metropolitan French had a little expression: all Parisians are French, but not all French are Parisians.

The same is true for Islamist terrorists. All Islamic terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists. You can't lock up all Muslims just in case: it is neither possible nor just.. If you want rule by law, you have to stick to the law.

 

We are all at risk, to varying degrees. We can't remove the risk, because we don't know in advance who, individually, is the threat. If we descend to the level of the Islamists we join them in the same sewer. Is that really the Britain you voted for in the referendum?

 

We have to have the individual courage needed to face the risk, and deal with it constructively in a civilised way. Otherwise, we just invite the next attack, and the following gone, into infinity. We should not be driven to knee-jerk reactions by fear, they won't work. It is hard, but lashing out in frustration is liable to make matters worse, when we need to make them better. We need the cooperation and assistance of the Muslim community to identify the threats, and we are unlikely to gain that by demonising them, as you continually do.

 

I worked in and around London pretty much throughout the period of IRA terrorism, when pillar boxes became suspect objects, and an apparently unattended bag or case made everyone uneasy. The difference between then and now is that Islamist terrorists espouse their own deaths, while IRA terrorists wanted to live.

 

Islamists pose a more severe threat than the IRA for that reason alone. We can't eliminate them, we have to live with, and manage as best we can, their threat, until it passes. They exist, they are real: we have no choice. The best thing any government could do is to say so, and drop this infantile cant about "keeping the public safe". They can't.

I thought there was no connection between Muslims and Islamists ??? ... Now your belly aching for Muslims co-operation to out those in their community ... Make your mind up Brian ... Just a dose of reality , Muslim sex gangs , though you prolly call em Islamist sex gangs have been plentiful unfortunately in this country over the last few years and not once have I heard Muslims have outed their own in exposing these perverts , why would they do different and expose Muslim/Islamist terrorists ???

Do I really have to spell out the obvious?? Is it that hard? Is this too opaque for you? " All Islamic terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists". That is the connection, as stated above, which you seem not to have read, or unable to understand. It doesn't help when you conflate paedophiles with terrorists, does it?

Perhaps try the Brexit analogy with him that not all Brexteers are racist......but all racists voted Brexit.

 

Maybe that might help clear the red mist? Second thoughts it probably won't.....not even a sledgehanner can get through! :-|

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It's also well known that prisons are schools for all sorts of wrongdoing, from courses on being a better burglar, IT scamming and Islamic radicalisation. So easy to appeal to our base instincts to lock people up forever, less easy to be objective about the issue. Yes, the London Bridge attack obviously wouldn't have happened if the perpertrator hadn't been let out, but how many more did he convert to his way of thinking while in prison? And wasn't one of the "brave members of the public" who intervened an ex-con?

Apparently the guy who bravely intervened and stopped the terrorist was a convicted murderer out on day release.

Time for Mad Hatter to change the subject again *-)

But he wasn't a Islamist Terrorist was he? ;-) .........

Just goes to prove the difference between religious nutters and nutters :-| .........

Surely a Lefty Nutter like you can see the difference? :-S .........

Nope prolly not >:-) .......

Go on and explain your cunning plan to us then *-)

How do you propose to separate the 'religious nutters' and 'nutters' so you can give them such wildy different sentences *-)

Easy ;-) ......

If they say they follow a religion that starts with and ends in a "M" :-| .........

Can you name another religion that is currently murdering 10's of 1000's every year *-) .......

Perhaps you Loony Liberals should accept that "a" certain religion plays your Loony Liberal muppet gene like a violin >:-) ........

Some years ago the metropolitan French had a little expression: all Parisians are French, but not all French are Parisians.

The same is true for Islamist terrorists. All Islamic terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists. You can't lock up all Muslims just in case: it is neither possible nor just.. If you want rule by law, you have to stick to the law.

 

We are all at risk, to varying degrees. We can't remove the risk, because we don't know in advance who, individually, is the threat. If we descend to the level of the Islamists we join them in the same sewer. Is that really the Britain you voted for in the referendum?

 

We have to have the individual courage needed to face the risk, and deal with it constructively in a civilised way. Otherwise, we just invite the next attack, and the following gone, into infinity. We should not be driven to knee-jerk reactions by fear, they won't work. It is hard, but lashing out in frustration is liable to make matters worse, when we need to make them better. We need the cooperation and assistance of the Muslim community to identify the threats, and we are unlikely to gain that by demonising them, as you continually do.

 

I worked in and around London pretty much throughout the period of IRA terrorism, when pillar boxes became suspect objects, and an apparently unattended bag or case made everyone uneasy. The difference between then and now is that Islamist terrorists espouse their own deaths, while IRA terrorists wanted to live.

 

Islamists pose a more severe threat than the IRA for that reason alone. We can't eliminate them, we have to live with, and manage as best we can, their threat, until it passes. They exist, they are real: we have no choice. The best thing any government could do is to say so, and drop this infantile cant about "keeping the public safe". They can't.

I thought there was no connection between Muslims and Islamists ??? ... Now your belly aching for Muslims co-operation to out those in their community ... Make your mind up Brian ... Just a dose of reality , Muslim sex gangs , though you prolly call em Islamist sex gangs have been plentiful unfortunately in this country over the last few years and not once have I heard Muslims have outed their own in exposing these perverts , why would they do different and expose Muslim/Islamist terrorists ???

Do I really have to spell out the obvious?? Is it that hard? Is this too opaque for you? " All Islamic terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists". That is the connection, as stated above, which you seem not to have read, or unable to understand. It doesn't help when you conflate paedophiles with terrorists, does it?

 

Who on earth has said all Muslims are terrorists Brian ... Listen twinkle toes I agree with you Islamic terrorism has no connection what so ever with Islam or Muslims and from now on I think it better to say Asianamic terrorism and when those nasty Asianamic terrorists are screaming Allahu Akbar when they are slitting throats and stuff they are just obviously confused aren't they ... Its so easy to get confused isnt it after all

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