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Posted: 3 March 2020 8:09 PM
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John52 - 2020-03-01 5:28 PM

Death rate is impossible to calculate.
Probably many mild cases not reported causing over estimation
People who have survived so far may die from it in the future causing under estimation
We may get a vaccine
etc


They say the mortality rate is 2%, Flu is 0.1% I think but as you say many more could have it and not even know they have had it. Most of us have probably had a "Corona Virus" at some point, I think a large
number of colds are Corona Viruses.

Some interesting stuff here https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/why-its-too-early-to-compare-covid-19-with-the-flu

Whats also worrying is the economic impact. If they start shutting down travel, entire cities and places like china grind to a halt. Apparently thats why petrol went down this week. Less demand for oil in china.



That’s the end of global warming then.


Well it could well be. John might be right. If millions die and If the entire world gets grounded and the giant industrial sausage machine grinds to a halt we will all be cast back to the stone age. The planet will self heal. I intend to go out this afternoon and stock up on essentials like Scotch, Cheese and crisps as well as a massive generator and a huge tanker of petrol. Well someone has to keep Rock music alive.


A good percentage of alcohol kills bacteria and viruses. So probably Scotch and some cheep vodka to clean hands and surfaces is a good idea.....a few chugs also won’t hurt ...cheers.


Well put it this way, I hardly ever get colds which is basically often a corona virus and never had the flu. Everyone just stick to a diet of cheese and Scotch and you will be fine.

On a serious note if one fifth of the work force get sick as suggested might happen that's 6 million people. If twenty percent need hospital care that's still well over a million. How will an NHS that already has people lying around in lobbies cope?


The NHS will cope the same as all other countries health services I presume ... Very disrespectful and hateful to play politics with the virus , youve obviously got that from your organ grinder boyfriend who has done the same with this issue and shockingly Grenfell ... Hate on Barry


Of course its not disrespectful! Its a fact that in ten years the Tories have run the health service down to the bones and now all of a sudden there is potentially a huge pandemic crisis on the horizon. If people end up lying around and dying in hospital car parks (assuming they can get anywhere near them) then its no good saying "ah well its not our fault, its a virus".

On the one hand we are lucky as we have an NHS. If it becomes widespread in the USA who is going to look after the sick that have no insurance but if our NHS is already stretched it wont cope either. Johnson says its ready but I think I saw something yesterday from a survey of Nhs staff who say its just not.

China managed to build an entire hospital in six days. The Tories promised us 40 so maybe they should get cracking. One a week might do it. Oh wait.. We sent all the EU nurses packing and stopped the nurse training funding and bursaries. :( Nobody to staff them


Your political point scoring attempt over this is disgraceful ... You know nothing about NHS staffing and have poo-pood those who do who try to inform you your wrong... I have a very close member of my family that works for the NHS now , my missus for 10 years did and her mother all her working life ... We have a friend who's head of a department at our local hospital and what you claim with your Guardian facts is nothing like what we hear ... Youve become so depressed your happy only when hearing bad news ... Hate on chunky
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Posted: 3 March 2020 9:08 PM
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John52 - 2020-03-01 5:28 PM

Death rate is impossible to calculate.
Probably many mild cases not reported causing over estimation
People who have survived so far may die from it in the future causing under estimation
We may get a vaccine
etc


They say the mortality rate is 2%, Flu is 0.1% I think but as you say many more could have it and not even know they have had it. Most of us have probably had a "Corona Virus" at some point, I think a large
number of colds are Corona Viruses.

Some interesting stuff here https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/why-its-too-early-to-compare-covid-19-with-the-flu

Whats also worrying is the economic impact. If they start shutting down travel, entire cities and places like china grind to a halt. Apparently thats why petrol went down this week. Less demand for oil in china.



That’s the end of global warming then.


Well it could well be. John might be right. If millions die and If the entire world gets grounded and the giant industrial sausage machine grinds to a halt we will all be cast back to the stone age. The planet will self heal. I intend to go out this afternoon and stock up on essentials like Scotch, Cheese and crisps as well as a massive generator and a huge tanker of petrol. Well someone has to keep Rock music alive.


A good percentage of alcohol kills bacteria and viruses. So probably Scotch and some cheep vodka to clean hands and surfaces is a good idea.....a few chugs also won’t hurt ...cheers.


Well put it this way, I hardly ever get colds which is basically often a corona virus and never had the flu. Everyone just stick to a diet of cheese and Scotch and you will be fine.

On a serious note if one fifth of the work force get sick as suggested might happen that's 6 million people. If twenty percent need hospital care that's still well over a million. How will an NHS that already has people lying around in lobbies cope?


The NHS will cope the same as all other countries health services I presume ... Very disrespectful and hateful to play politics with the virus , youve obviously got that from your organ grinder boyfriend who has done the same with this issue and shockingly Grenfell ... Hate on Barry


Of course its not disrespectful! Its a fact that in ten years the Tories have run the health service down to the bones and now all of a sudden there is potentially a huge pandemic crisis on the horizon. If people end up lying around and dying in hospital car parks (assuming they can get anywhere near them) then its no good saying "ah well its not our fault, its a virus".

On the one hand we are lucky as we have an NHS. If it becomes widespread in the USA who is going to look after the sick that have no insurance but if our NHS is already stretched it wont cope either. Johnson says its ready but I think I saw something yesterday from a survey of Nhs staff who say its just not.

China managed to build an entire hospital in six days. The Tories promised us 40 so maybe they should get cracking. One a week might do it. Oh wait.. We sent all the EU nurses packing and stopped the nurse training funding and bursaries. :( Nobody to staff them


Your political point scoring attempt over this is disgraceful ... You know nothing about NHS staffing and have poo-pood those who do who try to inform you your wrong... I have a very close member of my family that works for the NHS now , my missus for 10 years did and her mother all her working life ... We have a friend who's head of a department at our local hospital and what you claim with your Guardian facts is nothing like what we hear ... Youve become so depressed your happy only when hearing bad news ... Hate on chunky


You only need to look at the Math to see they won’t cope. You are so blinkered.
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Posted: 9 March 2020 8:43 PM
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Surest way to get people to panic buy is to tell them not to panic buy.
Now the BBC are pouring petrol on the fire by showing pictures of empty supermarket shelves as well
The media is probably doing more damage than the virus

Edited by John52 2020-03-09 8:46 PM
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Posted: 9 March 2020 9:15 PM
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I panic bought beer now I’m panic drunk .....
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Posted: 9 March 2020 9:48 PM
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Posted: 10 March 2020 12:45 PM
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John52 - 2020-03-09 8:43 PM

Surest way to get people to panic buy is to tell them not to panic buy.
Now the BBC are pouring petrol on the fire by showing pictures of empty supermarket shelves as well
The media is probably doing more damage than the virus

But is it panic buying? If people reason that the virus will spread - which we authoritatively advised it will - and then reason that means they may contract it - which is logical - they will recognise that they may at some point need to self-isolate for 14 days.

Since it is a tad difficult to nip down to the shops while self-isolating, it then appears logical to do so now, and pick up sufficient of the non-perishables while a) they can, and b) supplies are still available, so that what supplies they will need to obtain while self-isolating for 14 days are the minimal perishables.

Calling that panic buying seems condescending towards people who seem to me merely to be sensibly preparing for the more or less inevitable. Funny things, human beings, aren't they?
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Posted: 10 March 2020 6:23 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-03-10 12:45 PM

John52 - 2020-03-09 8:43 PM

Surest way to get people to panic buy is to tell them not to panic buy.
Now the BBC are pouring petrol on the fire by showing pictures of empty supermarket shelves as well
The media is probably doing more damage than the virus

But is it panic buying? If people reason that the virus will spread - which we authoritatively advised it will - and then reason that means they may contract it - which is logical - they will recognise that they may at some point need to self-isolate for 14 days.

Since it is a tad difficult to nip down to the shops while self-isolating, it then appears logical to do so now, and pick up sufficient of the non-perishables while a) they can, and b) supplies are still available, so that what supplies they will need to obtain while self-isolating for 14 days are the minimal perishables.

Calling that panic buying seems condescending towards people who seem to me merely to be sensibly preparing for the more or less inevitable. Funny things, human beings, aren't they?


I think a week or so ago it was panic buying as few were self isolating or even thinking about it. Now it has settled down although there is no pasta but it’s probably because none is coming from Italy.
My brother near Washington DC has settled in for. 2 to 3 month self isolation ,though his place is remote they and their kids can work on the Internet. So multiple trips in the van for us .......after we get back from Mallorca.......if it doesn’t get cancelled.
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Posted: 10 March 2020 6:56 PM
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The UK exports around £60m worth of pasta per year.
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Posted: 10 March 2020 7:07 PM
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The UK exports around £60m worth of pasta per year.


They need to export some to Somerset.
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Posted: 10 March 2020 7:10 PM
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Just looked at our spaghetti packet and it comes from Italy.
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Posted: 12 March 2020 9:04 AM
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John52 - 2020-03-09 8:43 PM

Surest way to get people to panic buy is to tell them not to panic buy.
Now the BBC are pouring petrol on the fire by showing pictures of empty supermarket shelves as well *-)
The media is probably doing more damage than the virus :-S

But is it panic buying? If people reason that the virus will spread - which we authoritatively advised it will - and then reason that means they may contract it - which is logical - they will recognise that they may at some point need to self-isolate for 14 days.

Since it is a tad difficult to nip down to the shops while self-isolating, it then appears logical to do so now, and pick up sufficient of the non-perishables while a) they can, and b) supplies are still available, so that what supplies they will need to obtain while self-isolating for 14 days are the minimal perishables.

Calling that panic buying seems condescending towards people who seem to me merely to be sensibly preparing for the more or less inevitable. Funny things, human beings, aren't they? :-D


Good point as usual.
Some have been buying a lot more than 14 days supply though.
Markets have dropped another 20% since Donald Trump advised us to 'buy the dip' *-)
In the space of 12 days he has gone from calling it a Democrat 'Hoax' to banning travel to Europe
Only Britain and Ireland where there are Trump resorts is excluded from his ban *-)
What will he do next ...

Edited by John52 2020-03-12 9:10 AM
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Posted: 12 March 2020 10:24 AM
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jumpstart - 2020-03-10 7:10 PM

Just looked at our spaghetti packet and it comes from Italy.


Yep,. I think most of it does. Question is how long ago did it come from Italy!!
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Posted: 12 March 2020 11:12 AM
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Just looked at our spaghetti packet and it comes from Italy.


Yep,. I think most of it does. Question is how long ago did it come from Italy!!


If you want some I can do you half a pack for a tenner.
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Posted: 12 March 2020 12:53 PM
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Just looked at our spaghetti packet and it comes from Italy.


Yep,. I think most of it does. Question is how long ago did it come from Italy!!


If you want some I can do you half a pack for a tenner.


No thanks. Just send Scotch. They say those 60% alcohol hand wash things get rid of the virus but why spend money on them (if you can find them) just keep yourself soaked in Scotch! Win win!
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Posted: 12 March 2020 1:47 PM
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John52 - 2020-03-09 8:43 PM

Surest way to get people to panic buy is to tell them not to panic buy.
Now the BBC are pouring petrol on the fire by showing pictures of empty supermarket shelves as well
The media is probably doing more damage than the virus

But is it panic buying? If people reason that the virus will spread - which we authoritatively advised it will - and then reason that means they may contract it - which is logical - they will recognise that they may at some point need to self-isolate for 14 days.

Since it is a tad difficult to nip down to the shops while self-isolating, it then appears logical to do so now, and pick up sufficient of the non-perishables while a) they can, and b) supplies are still available, so that what supplies they will need to obtain while self-isolating for 14 days are the minimal perishables.

Calling that panic buying seems condescending towards people who seem to me merely to be sensibly preparing for the more or less inevitable. Funny things, human beings, aren't they?


In the space of 12 days he has gone from calling it a Democrat 'Hoax' to banning travel to Europe
Only Britain and Ireland where there are Trump resorts is excluded from his ban

I think you meant from Europe rather than to, but that and the fact weaponising the virus is his way of having a poke at the EU he so despises. Everyone, apart from his servile sheep, immediately saw through that when he exempted UK! It would be farcical if it wasn't so childish.

Ireland is closing down all its schools and Sturgeon is considering banning gatherings of 500 or more. Hopefully she will ban Trump from jetting in to his golf course too.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/12/trump-coronavirus-travel-europe-resorts-126808

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/11/trump-oval-office-coronavirus-address-126121
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Posted: 12 March 2020 2:29 PM
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Yep,. I think most of it does. Question is how long ago did it come from Italy!! 8-)

You are afraid that it will arrive with spaghetti and instead it seems that you are exporting it.
See mclaren.com
Of course, it's an internal Commonwealth problem.

Max

p.s. Sorry, something went wrong with "quote"

Edited by mtravel 2020-03-12 2:41 PM
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Posted: 12 March 2020 2:57 PM
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Yep,. I think most of it does. Question is how long ago did it come from Italy!!

You are afraid that it will arrive with spaghetti and instead it seems that you are exporting it.
See mclaren.com
Of course, it's an internal Commonwealth problem.

Max

p.s. Sorry, something went wrong with "quote"

Sorted for you. It was Barrys post you were quoting.

Though i know the majority of folk buy dry packed ready made, pasta is very easy to make. There are even recipes on youtube.
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Posted: 13 March 2020 3:07 PM
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Has anyone on this forum had / got the virus?
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Posted: 13 March 2020 10:51 PM
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UK now gone into full on lockdown with all sports fixtures, music concerts and conferences banned.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-coronavirus-uk-lockdown-mass-21690696#source=push

https://tinyurl.com/u23cta8

McLaren F1 pulled their entire team from the Australian Grand Prix after an employee became infected. They placed other team members in quarantine but it was eight hours later before the GP was officially abandoned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51849163


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Posted: 14 March 2020 9:01 AM
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Having just been to Morrisons,it is stacked full of toilet paper,pallets and pallets in the isles. I do think the press has a degree of responsibility here when they show one supermarket with empty shelves and don’t report on the many others that have a plentiful supply. That is what causes panic buying.....No pasta though.

Edited by jumpstart 2020-03-14 9:02 AM
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Having just been to Morrisons,it is stacked full of toilet paper,pallets and pallets in the isles. I do think the press has a degree of responsibility here when they show one supermarket with empty shelves and don’t report on the many others that have a plentiful supply. That is what causes panic buying.....No pasta though.

I've been shopping online at Morrisons the past four month and this is their current stock of toilet roll....out of 45 brands/sizes, just five available;

https://groceries.morrisons.com/search?entry=toilet%20roll

Like toilet roll, pasta will fly off the shelves as it's non-perishable.

Just read a post on another forum whose nephew works at Heathrow and showing symptomatic signs of Covid-19, been told to go home and self-isolate as there's no testing available. His eldest son and 68 year old MIL also symptomatic.
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Over 70s to be told to self-isolate for months even if not ill

The government measure for people over the age of 70 is likely to be enforced within the next 20 days and will be instructed soon by the government to stay in strict isolation for four months as part of a planned response to coronavirus.

Quite how they will police that is another matter. Not enough police as government got shut of 20,000 so perhaps what troops we have left will be out on the streets.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-coronavirus-over-70s-told-21694397#source=push

Other measures being planned included the forced requisitioning of hotels and other buildings as temporary hospitals and the requisitioning of private hospitals.

What happened to those "40 new hospitals" the blond buffoon promised over five months ago? Still not one single brick laid.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-28/boris-johnson-promises-40-new-hospitals-as-he-boosts-spending-on-the-nhs/


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Posted: 15 March 2020 7:04 PM
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Pubs around here are offering take away food and flagon of beer with freshly baked bread on order to pickup.
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Posted: 16 March 2020 12:01 AM
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Disturbing Breaking News;

A biopharmaceutical based in Germany reportedly rejected a proposal by the US to purchase the exclusive rights to a coronavirus vaccine, according to the German news organization Mannheimer Morgen.

CureVac AG, a vaccine and therapeutics developer headquartered in Tübingen, Germany, was approached by the Trump administration to bring the company to the US, in exchange for funding, according to German newspaper Welt am Sonntag.

A German official reportedly claimed that Trump was trying to obtain the scientist's research exclusively, and that the administration wanted to get a potential vaccine "only for the United States."


https://www.businessinsider.com/curevac-rejects-giving-us-exclusive-rights-to-coronavirus-vaccine-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html
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Disturbing Breaking News;

A biopharmaceutical based in Germany reportedly rejected a proposal by the US to purchase the exclusive rights to a coronavirus vaccine, according to the German news organization Mannheimer Morgen.

CureVac AG, a vaccine and therapeutics developer headquartered in Tübingen, Germany, was approached by the Trump administration to bring the company to the US, in exchange for funding, according to German newspaper Welt am Sonntag.

A German official reportedly claimed that Trump was trying to obtain the scientist's research exclusively, and that the administration wanted to get a potential vaccine "only for the United States."


https://www.businessinsider.com/curevac-rejects-giving-us-exclusive-rights-to-coronavirus-vaccine-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html


Yes, I read that this morning. It really is unbeliveable. Hopefully, the Germans will be able to persuade the company to continue to work to produce the virus for world consumption....although perhaps the US could be charged 4 times the price of other countries.
Johnson is happy to develop a strategy which will kill off the old and the sick so that the demand on social care will be considerably reduced. I think us oldies should make sure we self isolate and survive despite Johnson's attempt at mass murder. Cummings is behind the strategy of course and Johnson's experts are all yes men given that he sacked anyone who stood up to him or who tried to ensure the truth mattered. It is such a shame that at this time of national crisis the population cannot trust the corrupt liar leading the country.
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Posted: 16 March 2020 3:06 PM
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Isolate everyone at home and the NHS will be under even more pressure in 9 months time with all the babies being born.
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Only in America..... what’s flying off the shelves.....guns,ammunition,combat gear. Long queues outside gun stores.
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Only in America..... what’s flying off the shelves.....guns,ammunition,combat gear. Long queues outside gun stores.

Well, they've got to defend THEIR virus, haven't they?
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Disturbing Breaking News;

A biopharmaceutical based in Germany reportedly rejected a proposal by the US to purchase the exclusive rights to a coronavirus vaccine, according to the German news organization Mannheimer Morgen.

CureVac AG, a vaccine and therapeutics developer headquartered in Tübingen, Germany, was approached by the Trump administration to bring the company to the US, in exchange for funding, according to German newspaper Welt am Sonntag.

A German official reportedly claimed that Trump was trying to obtain the scientist's research exclusively, and that the administration wanted to get a potential vaccine "only for the United States."


https://www.businessinsider.com/curevac-rejects-giving-us-exclusive-rights-to-coronavirus-vaccine-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html


Yes, I read that this morning. It really is unbeliveable. Hopefully, the Germans will be able to persuade the company to continue to work to produce the virus for world consumption....although perhaps the US could be charged 4 times the price of other countries.
Johnson is happy to develop a strategy which will kill off the old and the sick so that the demand on social care will be considerably reduced. I think us oldies should make sure we self isolate and survive despite Johnson's attempt at mass murder. Cummings is behind the strategy of course and Johnson's experts are all yes men given that he sacked anyone who stood up to him or who tried to ensure the truth mattered. It is such a shame that at this time of national crisis the population cannot trust the corrupt liar leading the country.

Similarly with the NHS he believed to be "on the table", he thinks he can behave the same with Germany but Economy minister Peter Altmaier said, ‘Germany is not for sale’ as he reacted to yesterday’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper headline ‘Trump vs Berlin’.

This is a timeline of Trumps statements on Covid-19;






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