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Posted: 30 November 2018 2:30 PM
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rupert123 - 2018-11-30 12:04 PM

This is turning into the worlds biggest yawn. Who the hell cares, have we not heard all these forecasts two years ago, what happened, nothing. Let us just get out, sure there will be a bit of chaos at the ports for a few days and a few French fisherman will throw their toys out of the pram but in the end business sense will prevail. Why bother with paying £39 billion, just leave. The border with Ireland will remain open, another nothing issue, the flow of goods via there should be interesting if tariffs are installed elsewhere.


So we didnt have the biggest drop in our currency against the dollar in 35 years almost overnight and go from the highest level of growth in the G7 to the bottom which has cost the UK roughly £450m a week since the vote? The rest of the dire predictions we were saved the worst from due to a world wide economic boom which coincided with the vote.

The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.

Edited by Barryd999 2018-11-30 2:31 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-11-30 2:30 PM



The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.


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Barryd999 - 2018-11-30 2:30 PM



The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.



any forecasts?
so they don't believe the Brexiteer's forecasts - (and why should they when they are even less reliable than the Government's.)
So why are they voting for Brexit?

Edited by John52 2018-11-30 4:08 PM
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The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.



any forecasts?
so they don't believe the Brexiteer's forecasts - (and why should they when they are even less reliable than the Government's.)



So why are they voting for Brexit?




My guess is it's mainly because of uncontrolled immigration .

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Posted: 30 November 2018 4:35 PM
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The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.




Well anyone that thinks walking away with no deal will not lead to a hard border in NI and that we still wont have to pay off our debts cant possibly have been listening. As for Fishermen. The ones likely to be throwing their toys out of the pram will be our British Shell fishing industry as according to the WFA they will be out of business in four weeks as they wont be able to export their catch to their market place, Europe.
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Barryd999 - 2018-11-30 2:30 PM



The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.




Well anyone that thinks walking away with no deal will not lead to a hard border in NI and that we still wont have to pay off our debts cant possibly have been listening. As for Fishermen. The ones likely to be throwing their toys out of the pram will be our British Shell fishing industry as according to the WFA they will be out of business in four weeks as they wont be able to export their catch to their market place, Europe.



Pity that Cameron didn't think of all that before he gave us a referendum.



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Posted: 30 November 2018 4:58 PM
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The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.




Well anyone that thinks walking away with no deal will not lead to a hard border in NI and that we still wont have to pay off our debts cant possibly have been listening. As for Fishermen. The ones likely to be throwing their toys out of the pram will be our British Shell fishing industry as according to the WFA they will be out of business in four weeks as they wont be able to export their catch to their market place, Europe.



Pity that Cameron didn't think of all that before he gave us a referendum.





None of them knew feck all! A lot of them still dont or are still simply trying to hoodwink and drive their own agendas. We now know a lot of the consequences and problems we will face. We also know that the only deal on the table is the worst deal in history. The most logical thing in the world to do in light of that is to ask the public if they want to accept Mays deal or remain in the EU. The problem is of course most of the public dont have a clue about any of it. Thats not me calling the public thick just that its very complex and most of them just got on with their lives and didnt become Brexit nerds. All I keep hearing is "Just get on with it" or "We demand the Brexit we voted for" like a child stamping its feet.

Edited by Barryd999 2018-11-30 4:59 PM
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Posted: 30 November 2018 6:01 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-11-30 2:30 PM
The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.

Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.

any forecasts?
so they don't believe the Brexiteer's forecasts - (and why should they when they are even less reliable than the Government's.)
So why are they voting for Brexit?

You have to understand that all forecasts are produced by "the elite" (AKA "the establishment"), aimed at confusing "the people" (anyone who is not the elite) into doing things that are against their interest, but in the interest of "the elite" (AKA "the establishment").

Since "the people" like simple answers to very complex issues, they tend to read only the summary of any forecast (usually as published in a newspaper, which almost invariably fails to report all the assumptions and caveats on which the forecast is based), and then expect it to come true just like a Christmas pudding wish.

Then, if events don't exactly match the forecast (as reported in whichever paper) they write off the whole forecast as rubbish, reasoning that anything else called a forecast will also be rubbish. The problem for forecasters, of course, is that some forecasts simply are wrong, because they were based on duff information, or because the forecasters made mistakes. Forecasting is a high risk activity. Were it not, we should not need forecasts.

The people need to understand that forecasts are no more than projections into the future of present trends, as adjusted to take account of changes that will alter the trajectories of the trends. So, they are educated, fact based, sophisticated, guesses - with an inevitably high probability of being to some extent wrong.

That inherent fallibility means that all the stated caveats etc. have to be read and understood, which makes the forecasts themselves complex, which "the people" don't like because they want the world to be simple and easy to understand with nice, neat, outcomes.

So, when things get complicated "the people" lose concentration, write the whole thing off as a "big yawn", ignore all the warnings that don't support what they instinctively want, take comfort from the anything (irrespective of its credibility) that supports what they instinctively want, and proceed accordingly.

Then, if it goes wrong for them, they complain that no-one told them about all the things they'd ignored!
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Posted: 30 November 2018 6:37 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-11-30 2:30 PM



The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.



any forecasts?
so they don't believe the Brexiteer's forecasts - (and why should they when they are even less reliable than the Government's.)



So why are they voting for Brexit?




My guess is it's mainly because of uncontrolled immigration .


Brexiters thought foreign folk came from EU countries.

https://www.ft.com/content/e5352c28-f3bc-11e8-9623-d7f9881e729f

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/11/29/non-eu-net-migration-up-while-eu-figure-continues-to-fall/
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Posted: 30 November 2018 7:09 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-11-30 4:35 PM...…………...Well anyone that thinks walking away with no deal will not lead to a hard border in NI ..................… can't possibly have been listening. ……………..

The elephant in the room is smuggling. It may well be possible to install electronic customs clearance systems that will deal with bona fide goods to the satisfaction of all.

However, the NI/Eire border is notoriously "leaky".

The Brexiters expect to be able to out-trade the EU by converting the UK into a low tax state while trading with non EU states on a low tariff basis. Ignoring where the government's revenues would come from under that scenario, this (if it can be done) means a sharp price differential would exist across that border, with increased incentive to circumvent border checks and use the openness of the border to advantage.

So, at some time, it seems to me, the cross border leakage will become unacceptable, and someone will begin to want to close off the leaks.

Given that the border is 310 miles long, with 270 crossing points on roads (that in some cases repeatedly meander across the border - one road reportedly crossing it seven times!), passes through Pettigo and Carrickmore, crosses farms and even fields, and runs beside and crosses rivers and loughs, trying to deal with smuggling without some form of permanent installation looks to me just about impossible.

If both sides point blank refuse to police that border, it will remain open to whatever it is financially expedient to take across it.

So now consider that this will become the only land border between the UK and the EU, and ponder upon what it may become advantageous to spirit across it. After all, there are be no checks between the Mediterranean and that border, so plenty of opportunity for all kinds of movements, apart from livestock and any other goods that are differently priced on either side.
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Posted: 30 November 2018 7:20 PM
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Tusk ..." No deal or no Brexit if May plan is rejected " ... Well its going to be rejected so which one is it ... Bingo , a sweet no deal ... Lordy I cant wait ... Christmas smells a lot sweeter this year
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The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.




Well anyone that thinks walking away with no deal will not lead to a hard border in NI and that we still wont have to pay off our debts cant possibly have been listening. As for Fishermen. The ones likely to be throwing their toys out of the pram will be our British Shell fishing industry as according to the WFA they will be out of business in four weeks as they wont be able to export their catch to their market place, Europe.



Pity that Cameron didn't think of all that before he gave us a referendum.





None of them knew feck all! A lot of them still dont or are still simply trying to hoodwink and drive their own agendas. We now know a lot of the consequences and problems we will face. We also know that the only deal on the table is the worst deal in history. The most logical thing in the world to do in light of that is to ask the public if they want to accept Mays deal or remain in the EU. The problem is of course most of the public dont have a clue about any of it. Thats not me calling the public thick just that its very complex and most of them just got on with their lives and didnt become Brexit nerds. All I keep hearing is "Just get on with it" or "We demand the Brexit we voted for" like a child stamping its feet.

What a pompous bugger you are Barry. The local genius on all things EU which the rest of us thick 'o' completed do not understand. Why keep whinging for another vote, just how many do you need, best of five perhaps. As for your assertions about growth suggest you take a look at the other EU countries since we voted to leave, take the rose tinted glasses of though. As for your latest wfa forecast just another load of rubbish, a forecast that simply will not happen.

Edited by rupert123 2018-11-30 9:02 PM
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antony1969 - 2018-11-30 7:20 PM

Tusk ..." No deal or no Brexit if May plan is rejected " ... Well its going to be rejected so which one is it ... Bingo , a sweet no deal ... Lordy I cant wait ... Christmas smells a lot sweeter this year


I would put the celebrations on ice if I were you. Parliament will not allow a no deal and if Starmer gets his amendment through it will be impossible. If you still want to Brexit then your only choice might be Mays deal which is frankly awful and totally bonkers. A lot of Brexiteers are now saying they would rather stay in than accept this dreadful fudge.
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The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.



any forecasts?
so they don't believe the Brexiteer's forecasts - (and why should they when they are even less reliable than the Government's.)



So why are they voting for Brexit?




My guess is it's mainly because of uncontrolled immigration .


Brexiters thought foreign folk came from EU countries.

https://www.ft.com/content/e5352c28-f3bc-11e8-9623-d7f9881e729f

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/11/29/non-eu-net-migration-up-while-eu-figure-continues-to-fall/


As predicted many many times on here. I think this is what we would call an "own goal".
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Posted: 30 November 2018 9:17 PM
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The rest of your post just tells me that like the majority of the British Public you simply do not understand Brexit.




Or Ruperts post tells us that he, like the majority of the British public ,no longer believe in any forecasts.



any forecasts?
so they don't believe the Brexiteer's forecasts - (and why should they when they are even less reliable than the Government's.)



So why are they voting for Brexit?




My guess is it's mainly because of uncontrolled immigration .


Brexiters thought foreign folk came from EU countries.

https://www.ft.com/content/e5352c28-f3bc-11e8-9623-d7f9881e729f

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/11/29/non-eu-net-migration-up-while-eu-figure-continues-to-fall/


As predicted many many times on here. I think this is what we would call an "own goal".

Sweet justice. Not content with turning the country into a pariah state, the whole of Europe must be laughing at their insanity yet still the lemmings line up for Kamikaze duty.
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Tusk ..." No deal or no Brexit if May plan is rejected " ... Well its going to be rejected so which one is it ... Bingo , a sweet no deal ... Lordy I cant wait ... Christmas smells a lot sweeter this year


I would put the celebrations on ice if I were you. Parliament will not allow a no deal and if Starmer gets his amendment through it will be impossible. If you still want to Brexit then your only choice might be Mays deal which is frankly awful and totally bonkers. A lot of Brexiteers are now saying they would rather stay in than accept this dreadful fudge.


Barry if the deal as expected is rejected and if Tusk and the EU dont budge further , much further and if sore loser Starmer doesnt get his way by stomping his feet then we will be leaving with a no deal in just 118 days
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Barryd999 - 2018-11-30 9:00 PM
A lot of Brexiteers are now saying they would rather stay in than accept this dreadful fudge.


Really?........How many Brexiteers do you know Barry .........

Coz all the ones I know just wanna "get the hell out of Dodge" .......(as in Dodgy EU) .......

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Ive seen a fair few both on TV and social media in recent days say exactly that. They still want to leave the EU but many are stating that if its a choice of accepting this deal or remaining then remaining would be a better option. Thats how bad it is.

There is no way Parliament will allow a no deal to pass. That does not mean we wont end up with no deal but it seems increasingly unlikely that it will be an option. To be honest if its a choice of no deal or Mays deal i would prefer no deal, its that bad and it would be our fastest route back in but I reckon your going to be faced with a choice of Mays deal or No Brexit, probably via a second referendum or even without one.
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Coz all the ones I know just wanna "get the hell out of Dodge" .......(as in Dodgy EU) .......



Out of the EU and in to what
Are they really daft enough to think the Brexit politicians they are handing power to will care about them
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rupert123 - 2018-11-30 8:59 PM.....................…. The local genius on all things EU which the rest of us thick 'o' completed do not understand. ……………...

OK Henry, as you clearly think you are better informed than Barry, how about you give those of us who can't see what you can, a precis of what the present EU deal actually entails?

Might be more constructive than calling people who disagree with you pompous.
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-01 1:27 PM

Might be more constructive than calling people who disagree with you pompous.


Is that worse than Remoaners calling Brexiteers xenophobes & racists? ..........

Cant say I'm bothered by the Remoaner name calling ........As I suspects its just entrenched us Brexiteers voting intentions .......

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rupert123 - 2018-11-30 8:59 PM.....................…. The local genius on all things EU which the rest of us thick 'o' completed do not understand. ……………...

OK Henry, as you clearly think you are better informed than Barry, how about you give those of us who can't see what you can, a precis of what the present EU deal actually entails?

Might be more constructive than calling people who disagree with you pompous.

Pompous probably the wrong word Brian, arrogant would be better. It is a pointless argument anyway. I have never said I disagree just cannot abide the constant you do not understand attitude of Barry. I am no better informed than anyone else, we are all guessing anyway, no one knows what is going to happen. Yes I mistrust all the predictions, as I did two years ago and it turned out it was right to do so. I suggest we get back to this in twelve months time to see who is correct.
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Coz all the ones I know just wanna "get the hell out of Dodge" .......(as in Dodgy EU) .......



Out of the EU and in to what
Are they really daft enough to think the Brexit politicians they are handing power to will care about them


We'll be handing over power to those WE can vote out ...........

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pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:15 PM...……………...
We'll be handing over power to those WE can vote out ...........

I know I've asked this before, but I don't think I ever got an answer.

Which EU legislation is it you so dislike that you want to leave?
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pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:15 PM...……………...
We'll be handing over power to those WE can vote out ...........

I know I've asked this before, but I don't think I ever got an answer.

Which EU legislation is it you so dislike that you want to leave?


All of it ........

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pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:15 PM...……………...
We'll be handing over power to those WE can vote out ...........

I know I've asked this before, but I don't think I ever got an answer.

Which EU legislation is it you so dislike that you want to leave?


All of it ........

On what grounds? That it is all bad legislation?
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pelmetman - 2018-12-01 4:15 PM...……………...
We'll be handing over power to those WE can vote out ...........

I know I've asked this before, but I don't think I ever got an answer.

Which EU legislation is it you so dislike that you want to leave?


All of it ........

On what grounds? That it is all bad legislation?


On the grounds that I object being told what to do in my own country by folk I can not kick out at the ballot box ..........

Unlike you Remoaners Brian......I like living in a democracy .........

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rupert123 - 2018-11-30 8:59 PM.....................…. The local genius on all things EU which the rest of us thick 'o' completed do not understand. ……………...

OK Henry, as you clearly think you are better informed than Barry, how about you give those of us who can't see what you can, a precis of what the present EU deal actually entails?

Might be more constructive than calling people who disagree with you pompous.

Pompous probably the wrong word Brian, arrogant would be better. It is a pointless argument anyway. I have never said I disagree just cannot abide the constant you do not understand attitude of Barry. I am no better informed than anyone else, we are all guessing anyway, no one knows what is going to happen. Yes I mistrust all the predictions, as I did two years ago and it turned out it was right to do so. I suggest we get back to this in twelve months time to see who is correct.

But, in twelve months time we shall have left (or at least that is the present intention) so, if we then find out that we have become poorer as a result, we can't row back. On that basis I don't think the discussion at all pointless. In fact, I think it vitally important. Unfortunately, some people did make disparaging comments about the degree of understanding of those who voted to leave.

Can you say, hand on heart, that you have discovered nothing over the past two years about Brexit and its consequences that you didn't already know. I know I have.

Have you tried reading those 500 odd pages of the present deal and found them easy to understand? I have, and found them almost impenetrable, and I thought I could usually make sense of this stuff. I could no more vote on that agreement, if given the choice, than fly. I assume many of our MPs will be in the same position.

So, lets just agree that many people voted for Brexit because they mistrusted the EU, which is fair enough, but did not vote for what would happen to the UK after we left, because no-one told us in tangible terms what a post Brexit UK would look like. That, I think, is what underlay those "don't understand" comments, not arrogance or pomposity.
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rupert123 - 2018-11-30 8:59 PM.....................…. The local genius on all things EU which the rest of us thick 'o' completed do not understand. ……………...

OK Henry, as you clearly think you are better informed than Barry, how about you give those of us who can't see what you can, a precis of what the present EU deal actually entails?

Might be more constructive than calling people who disagree with you pompous.

Pompous probably the wrong word Brian, arrogant would be better. It is a pointless argument anyway. I have never said I disagree just cannot abide the constant you do not understand attitude of Barry. I am no better informed than anyone else, we are all guessing anyway, no one knows what is going to happen. Yes I mistrust all the predictions, as I did two years ago and it turned out it was right to do so. I suggest we get back to this in twelve months time to see who is correct.

But, in twelve months time we shall have left (or at least that is the present intention) so, if we then find out that we have become poorer as a result, we can't row back. On that basis I don't think the discussion at all pointless. In fact, I think it vitally important. Unfortunately, some people did make disparaging comments about the degree of understanding of those who voted to leave.

Can you say, hand on heart, that you have discovered nothing over the past two years about Brexit and its consequences that you didn't already know. I know I have.

Have you tried reading those 500 odd pages of the present deal and found them easy to understand? I have, and found them almost impenetrable, and I thought I could usually make sense of this stuff. I could no more vote on that agreement, if given the choice, than fly. I assume many of our MPs will be in the same position.

So, lets just agree that many people voted for Brexit because they mistrusted the EU, which is fair enough, but did not vote for what would happen to the UK after we left, because no-one told us in tangible terms what a post Brexit UK would look like. That, I think, is what underlay those "don't understand" comments, not arrogance or pomposity.

No one told us what post Brexit UK would look like Brian because no one knows. Why would we row back, we had democratic vote, or did I miss something here. The deal of Mrs May seems the only one that will work so sign it and get on with sorting out the many bits in the future; it is not a complete deal after all just a beginning. We will end up with an open Irish border, which will be interesting, goods will flow via this regardless of tariffs, all the benefits with no payments. Ireland should do really well from this.
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rupert123 - 2018-11-30 8:59 PM.....................…. The local genius on all things EU which the rest of us thick 'o' completed do not understand. ……………...

OK Henry, as you clearly think you are better informed than Barry, how about you give those of us who can't see what you can, a precis of what the present EU deal actually entails?

Might be more constructive than calling people who disagree with you pompous.

Pompous probably the wrong word Brian, arrogant would be better. It is a pointless argument anyway. I have never said I disagree just cannot abide the constant you do not understand attitude of Barry. I am no better informed than anyone else, we are all guessing anyway, no one knows what is going to happen. Yes I mistrust all the predictions, as I did two years ago and it turned out it was right to do so. I suggest we get back to this in twelve months time to see who is correct.

You say you 'mistrust all predictions', one of which being the infamous £350m a week lie which got debunked as pure nonsense even before the referendum, so would certainly have been 'right to mistrust'......yet still went ahead and voted Brexit.
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