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Posted: 22 May 2020 9:59 PM
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Five days after Downing street claimed Cummings was self isolating with his wife and son at home during lockdown, he'd actually driven to his parents house 250 miles away in Durham.

A spokesman for Durham Constabulary said: “On Tuesday, March 31, our officers were made aware of reports that an individual had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city.

“Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house.

“In line with national policing guidance, officers explained to the family the guidelines around self-isolation and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-cummings-investigated-police-after-22072579
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Posted: 22 May 2020 11:36 PM
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Posted: 23 May 2020 6:28 AM
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Why did he go to such lengths to keep that quiet
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Posted: 23 May 2020 6:46 AM
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Watch ... It needs looking into ... If hes broke the rules then theres no excuse ... Lets remember though hes a Government aide not an MP , unlike Labour MP Mr Ali who the squad have stayed silent on breaking the rules ... Hate runs deep in these haters of ours ... Poor darlings
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:16 AM
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Birdbrain - 2020-05-23 6:46 AM
... Lets remember though hes a Government aide not an MP ,

and apparently wields more power than an elected MP....
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:19 AM
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Birdbrain - 2020-05-23 6:46 AM

. It needs looking into ...

and thanks to the Guardian it is being looked into - despite all the attempts to cover it up
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:19 AM
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Anyone ??? ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/29/stephen-kinnock-targeted-by-police-for-visiting-father-neil
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:19 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 7:16 AM

Birdbrain - 2020-05-23 6:46 AM
... Lets remember though hes a Government aide not an MP ,

and apparently wields more power than an elected MP....


Proof ???
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:21 AM
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:21 AM
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:23 AM
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:26 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 7:21 AM

Firing Civil Servants who are not 'on message' and replacing them with his 'wierdos and misfits' who are


Proof ???
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:27 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 7:23 AM

Being in on the SAGE committee....


Chuckle ... Is that it ???
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:32 AM
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Several differences, the most obvious difference, which it seems I need to point out, is that Stephen Kinnock didn't try to cover it up - he did just the opposite
PS do I also need to point out that Stephen Kinnock was not spreading the virus?


Edited by John52 2020-05-23 7:59 AM
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:35 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 6:28 AM Why did he go to such lengths to keep that quiet


What "lengths" did DC go to exactly to keep this quiet? The police gave advice to his parents after someone reported concerns to them but I've not heard that they spoke to DC himself. It does sound like DC driving to Durham is open to challenge as non-essential but there may be an adequate explanation. Let's not jump to conclusions just because a few Labour activists have done so.
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:42 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 6:28 AM Why did he go to such lengths to keep that quiet


What "lengths" did DC go to exactly to keep this quiet? The police gave advice to his parents after someone reported concerns to them but I've not heard that they spoke to DC himself. It does sound like DC driving to Durham is open to challenge as non-essential but there may be an adequate explanation. Let's not jump to conclusions just because a few Labour activists have done so.


Cummings is one of the most newsworthy people in the country. The media camps outside his house. Common sense tells us he must have gone to some lengths to avoid them finding this out. BoJo's stooges rebuffed all attempts to find out where he was.
Those in other parties have been fired for this.
But then since BoJo (and Charlie) took the virus to their second homes how can he fire Cummings for doing the same
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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:44 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 6:28 AM Why did he go to such lengths to keep that quiet


What "lengths" did DC go to exactly to keep this quiet? The police gave advice to his parents after someone reported concerns to them but I've not heard that they spoke to DC himself. It does sound like DC driving to Durham is open to challenge as non-essential but there may be an adequate explanation. Let's not jump to conclusions just because a few Labour activists have done so.


What I find highly amusing is that Cummings is a Geordie like our Barry .........

One his own has helped bring about Brexit .........

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Posted: 23 May 2020 7:55 AM
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How did he get from London to Durham without risking spreading his virus
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Posted: 23 May 2020 9:06 AM
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What I find highly amusing is that Cummings is a Geordie like our Barry .........

One his own has helped bring about Brexit .........



What I find highly amusing ids that with every new scandal BoJo is going to have to send us even more of YOUR money to maintain HIS empire
Either he sends us more of your money to bribe us, or we vote for fishface and we get rid of him
so its a Win/Win situation for us 'Losers'
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Posted: 23 May 2020 9:20 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 7:32 AM



Several differences, the most obvious difference, which it seems I need to point out, is that Stephen Kinnock didn't try to cover it up - he did just the opposite
PS do I also need to point out that Stephen Kinnock was not spreading the virus?


Not covering it up makes it right in your book obviously ... At that time how did Stephen Kinnock know he wasn't spreading the virus ... Educate me
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Posted: 23 May 2020 9:30 AM
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Several differences, the most obvious difference, which it seems I need to point out, is that Stephen Kinnock didn't try to cover it up - he did just the opposite
PS do I also need to point out that Stephen Kinnock was not spreading the virus?


Not covering it up makes it right in your book obviously ... At that time how did Stephen Kinnock know he wasn't spreading the virus ... Educate me


Do I need to point out you should be more careful when you know you have got Covid19, than you are when you have got no symptoms?
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Posted: 23 May 2020 9:33 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 6:28 AM Why did he go to such lengths to keep that quiet


What "lengths" did DC go to exactly to keep this quiet? The police gave advice to his parents after someone reported concerns to them but I've not heard that they spoke to DC himself. It does sound like DC driving to Durham is open to challenge as non-essential but there may be an adequate explanation. Let's not jump to conclusions just because a few Labour activists have done so.


What I find highly amusing is that Cummings is a Geordie like our Barry .........

One his own has helped bring about Brexit .........



Geographically challenged as well as mentally challenged then. Since when has someone from the North Yorkshire Dales been a Geordie?

As for the President of the ununited state of kingdoms breaking the rules, he probably makes the rules now so can just change it so it doesnt apply to him.
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Posted: 23 May 2020 9:36 AM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 9:30 AM

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Several differences, the most obvious difference, which it seems I need to point out, is that Stephen Kinnock didn't try to cover it up - he did just the opposite
PS do I also need to point out that Stephen Kinnock was not spreading the virus?


Not covering it up makes it right in your book obviously ... At that time how did Stephen Kinnock know he wasn't spreading the virus ... Educate me


Do I need to point out you should be more careful when you know you have got Covid19, than you are when you have got no symptoms?


You havent answered my question ???
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Posted: 23 May 2020 10:12 AM
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As for the President of the ununited state of kingdoms breaking the rules, he probably makes the rules now so can just change it so it doesnt apply to him.



Well, at least, by the end of next week, we will get confirmation of who is in charge in No.10 Downing St..

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Posted: 23 May 2020 12:03 PM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 7:55 AM

How did he get from London to Durham without risking spreading his virus


How did you get to Cornwall from Scotland without risking spreading the virus?

Edited by globebuster 2020-05-23 12:05 PM
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Posted: 23 May 2020 12:20 PM
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John52 - 2020-05-23 7:55 AM

How did he get from London to Durham without risking spreading his virus


How did you get to Cornwall from Scotland without risking spreading the virus?



As far as we know John52 didn't "know" he had the virus when he travelled to Cornwall from Scotland.

It seems that when Cummings drove from London to Durham he DID know he was taking the virus with him.

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Posted: 23 May 2020 12:37 PM
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malc d - 2020-05-23 12:20 PM...……………..
As far as we know John52 didn't "know" he had the virus when he travelled to Cornwall from Scotland.
It seems that when Cummings drove from London to Durham he DID know he was taking the virus with him.

Well, yes, but...………………………...two things.

First, almost everyone who becomes infected begins to shed the virus before the symptoms appear, and

Second, many who are infected either don't develop symptom, or have symptoms so mild they are not recognised.

So what John "knew" about his infectivity at the time he travelled is inherently unreliable, and it is entirely possible that he may have remained infective but asymptomatic for up to three weeks after he actually, still unknown to him, became infected.

Those possibilities are the reason the guidance was framed as it was: that car travel was only permissible for medical reasons, to provide care or to help vulnerable people, to travel to and from work (but only when you cannot work from home) and to shop for basic necessities such as food. The government additionally advised to do this as infrequently as possible, and to use delivery services instead if possible.

Only John seems to understand how his trip fits into those categories!
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Posted: 23 May 2020 1:26 PM
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malc d - 2020-05-23 12:20 PM...……………..
As far as we know John52 didn't "know" he had the virus when he travelled to Cornwall from Scotland.
It seems that when Cummings drove from London to Durham he DID know he was taking the virus with him.

Well, yes, but...………………………...two things.

First, almost everyone who becomes infected begins to shed the virus before the symptoms appear, and

Second, many who are infected either don't develop symptom, or have symptoms so mild they are not recognised.

So what John "knew" about his infectivity at the time he travelled is inherently unreliable, and it is entirely possible that he may have remained infective but asymptomatic for up to three weeks after he actually, still unknown to him, became infected.

Those possibilities are the reason the guidance was framed as it was: that car travel was only permissible for medical reasons, to provide care or to help vulnerable people, to travel to and from work (but only when you cannot work from home) and to shop for basic necessities such as food. The government additionally advised to do this as infrequently as possible, and to use delivery services instead if possible.

Only John seems to understand how his trip fits into those categories!



I think the point is that if John, or Fred or Bill ( or any other ordinary member of the public ) drove from London to Durham knowingly carrying the virus I'm quite sure that both the Left and Right wing in this country would accuse him of ignoring the governments guidelines.
But if it is an advisor to a Tory government - the Left say he broke the guidelines ( the right say he didn't ).
If it was an advisor to a Labour government - the Right would say he broke the guidelines ( the left would say he didn't ).

It doesn't seem to me to be a matter of politics - surely it's common sense NOT to knowingly take the virus to Durham, regardless of what job you've got.




Edited by malc d 2020-05-23 1:28 PM
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Posted: 23 May 2020 1:43 PM
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malc d - 2020-05-23 1:26 PM..................It doesn't seem to me to be a matter of politics - surely it's common sense NOT to knowingly take the virus to Durham, regardless of what job you've got.

Ah, but that is common-sense, Malc, and those raising objections (and defences) are so immersed in the politics they can no longer see common-sense.

Admittedly Cummings was ill when making that decision, but that he did so knowing he was ill casts doubt on the quality of his judgement.

The denials that he broke the rules are predictable. No-one likes being exposed worshiping a false God! He is the useful idiot of a segment of the Conservative party. Fortunately, that does not include all Conservatives (though it does seem to afflict most "new Conservative" supporters on here )!
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Posted: 23 May 2020 2:02 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-05-23 1:43 PM

malc d - 2020-05-23 1:26 PM..................It doesn't seem to me to be a matter of politics - surely it's common sense NOT to knowingly take the virus to Durham, regardless of what job you've got.



The denials that he broke the rules are predictable. No-one likes being exposed worshiping a false God! He is the useful idiot of a segment of the Conservative party. Fortunately, that does not include all Conservatives (though it does seem to afflict most "new Conservative" supporters on here )!


He's certainly an odd character. Seems to have made a lot of enemies both inside and outside the Tory party.



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