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Where Johnson dithers, delays, throws parties under lockdown and responsible for 169,020 Covid deaths, Angela Merkel shows true leadership and protects her citizens.

 

Barring unvaccinated from non-essential shops makes perfect sense. What's your problem with that? *-)

 

You're working yourself into a hissy fit over Germany DEBATING making vaccine shots mandatory.......and only an anti-vaxxer would object to that. *-)

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pelmetman - 2021-12-02 7:50 PM

 

The Fourth Reich shows its true colours >:-) ..........

 

"Germany locks down the unvaccinated: Angela Merkel says parliament will debate making shots MANDATORY as she bars the un-jabbed from non-essential shops and leisure facilities"

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10267391/Germany-set-approve-lockdown-unvaccinated-today.html

 

 

Bump >:-) ........

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Daves' got his knickers in a twist again.

 

Angela Merkel has NOT told the EU to obey anything - the proposed rules only apply to Germany.

 

Looks like she's seen the " seven day average " charts that Dave linked to.

 

 

She had a choice - Do something about it - or waffle on about Peppa Pig.

 

;-)

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malc d - 2021-12-02 8:44 PM

 

Daves' got his knickers in a twist again.

 

Angela Merkel has NOT told the EU to obey anything - the proposed rules only apply to Germany.

 

Looks like she's seen the " seven day average " charts that Dave linked to.

 

 

She had a choice - Do something about it - or waffle on about Peppa Pig.

 

;-)

 

I see Merkel has instructed her pet Peppa Pig to tell the EU to OBEY >:-) .........

 

"Von der Leyen's threat of compulsory vaccinations is an ominous reminder of why we left the EU"

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/02/von-der-leyens-threat-compulsory-vaccinations-ominous-reminder/

 

(lol) (lol) (lol).........

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pelmetman - 2021-12-02 8:55 PM

 

malc d - 2021-12-02 8:44 PM

 

Daves' got his knickers in a twist again.

 

Angela Merkel has NOT told the EU to obey anything - the proposed rules only apply to Germany.

 

Looks like she's seen the " seven day average " charts that Dave linked to.

 

 

She had a choice - Do something about it - or waffle on about Peppa Pig.

 

;-)

 

I see Merkel has instructed her pet Peppa Pig to tell the EU to OBEY >:-) .........

 

"Von der Leyen's threat of compulsory vaccinations is an ominous reminder of why we left the EU"

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/02/von-der-leyens-threat-compulsory-vaccinations-ominous-reminder/

 

(lol) (lol) (lol).........

 

 

Where is your evidence that Merkel TOLD Von der Leyen what to do ?????

 

( She hasn't got the authourity to tell her anyway - that's just in your imagination ).

 

Not everyone is as scared of the Germans as you are Dave.

 

 

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I am trying to see what point Dave is trying to make here. I presume its as always to rubbish Germany and the EU while ignoring our own chaos but he seems to be posting a link where we see a "proper" leader (not a clown) taking quick and decisive action to fight covid infections whilst here as usual they are playing it down and telling everyone to carry on as normal at Christmas and go on the lash. Am I missing something here?

 

Its like Groundhog day. Last Christmas was a disaster after they tried to hide the Kent variant until it was out of control and Christmas was on then off then on again, then the kids got sent back for one day and were then sent home again to infect everyone. Its like they never learn anything. A bit like Dave. (lol)

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Barryd999 - 2021-12-02 9:52 PM

 

I am trying to see what point Dave is trying to make here. I presume its as always to rubbish Germany and the EU while ignoring our own chaos but he seems to be posting a link where we see a "proper" leader (not a clown) taking quick and decisive action to fight covid infections whilst here as usual they are playing it down and telling everyone to carry on as normal at Christmas and go on the lash. Am I missing something here?

His "fourth reich" nonsense is all part of his neo-nazi vision of white supremacy. He picks that rubbish up from trawling white supremacist and far right extremist websites. *-)

 

Meantime back on earth with reality he got his nappy in a twist over the German parliament debating the possibility of making vaccine shots mandatory for it's citizens. Only an anti-vaxer would object to that.

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-12-02 10:49 PM

 

141 people died today in the UK, 7,644 people are in hospital

 

Time for a Christmas party anyone?

 

357 people died yesterday in Germany, 4,636 are serious critical.......compared to 931 in the UK :-| ..........

 

So that's called Merkel handling the Pandemic better than Boris? 8-) ..........

 

Boris made his mistakes at the start of the Pandemic......What excuse does Merkel have for making them 2 years later? *-) ........

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Here you go, Dave, from MIT Technology Review 15/11/21. It's a little out of date now, but the analysis seems sound enough. I'm surprised you didn't find it yourself, since all it takes is a "google" search. :-D

 

Germany’s coronavirus case numbers have reached their highest levels since the early days of the pandemic, with warnings that covid is “spreading dramatically” and requires a “quick and unified response.” At the same time, the Netherlands is imposing partial restrictions to control rising case levels, including an 8 p.m. curfew on stores and restaurants, and empty stadiums for professional sports. Austria, meanwhile, has just ordered a strict new lockdown— but only for unvaccinated people.

 

It’s a similar picture across much of Europe, which Reuters reports is now responsible for more than half of all covid cases worldwide—the highest proportion since April 2020. In Croatia, which has 4 million residents, cases and fatalities are now higher than they were during the country’s spring wave. The average of 55 daily deaths exceeds its levels this time a year ago, part of a pattern that is being seen across much of the continent. So what’s happening?

 

The two main drivers are the cold season and the low vaccination coverage,” says Marcel Salathé, an associate professor and digital epidemiologist at EPFL in Switzerland. “Only one of them is inevitable.”

 

Experts point to the different factors feeding into this rise in cases. One is the virus itself, and the continuing spread of the more infectious, faster-spreading delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It first appeared in India in late 2020, meaning that for many countries this is the first winter it will be the dominant strain.

 

At the same time, many mitigation strategies have been relaxed as people try to get away from social distancing and mask use and back to something that looks a bit more like pre-pandemic life. Austria had recently banned unvaccinated people from visiting restaurants, cafés, and—yes—ski lifts, but its new lockdown is far more severe.

 

In a briefing to the Royal Society of Medicine last week, British epidemiologist Tim Spector said we are coming to realize that “vaccines alone, even in countries that have got higher vaccination rates than ours, are not the sort of final solution to this.”

“We need a combination of measures,” said Spector, who runs the ZOE Covid study at King’s College London. “How high we want those rates to be is determined by our complacency and our relaxation to some of the rules we had in place that last year I thought were over the top, and now this year I think are insufficient.”

 

Despite this, vaccination rates are the most important factor that explains the variance between countries like Croatia and Italy.

Many Eastern European countries have lower rates of vaccination than some of their neighbors: Croatia is at 46% fully vaccinated, for example, while Slovakia is at 43%. (The European average is around 56%.) Unvaccinated people are driving the increase in numbers, said Austrian chancellor Alexander Schallenberg when announcing his country’s new lockdown: “The [daily infection] rate for the unvaccinated is at over 1,700, while for the vaccinated it is at 383.”

 

Where vaccination rates are higher, the result is less serious illness and death—even if transmission is high. In the UK 80% of people over 12 have had two doses of covid vaccine, for example.

 

“The countries that are doing best are the ones with high vaccine coverage and effective measures,” says Salathé. “The worst countries are the ones that have neither. Most are in between.”

 

But even when vaccination rates are high and the pressure of cases is relatively low, it may not be enough for long-term protection—especially given the fading effectiveness of vaccines over time.

 

“The UK rolled out a vaccination program earlier than most countries, and therefore has experienced the impact of waning immunity earlier,” says Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health at the University of Southampton. “The boosters here in the UK are clearly having an impact around hospital admissions and new cases in older populations.”

 

That means continuing to vaccinate people, and boosting the immune response of people who were vaccinated early in the cycle, remains vitally important.

 

“Where we see uncontrolled outbreaks, we also see emergence of new variants of interest and concern, and we really don’t want any new variants to become dominant and have a greater impact upon the effectiveness of our vaccines,” he says. “Ultimately, the world cannot fully relax until the vast majority of the world is vaccinated. The combination of vaccine hesitancy and lack of access to vaccines is everyone’s problem.”

 

This part had a particularly familiar ring. "At the same time, many mitigation strategies have been relaxed as people try to get away from social distancing and mask use and back to something that looks a bit more like pre-pandemic life." How many times has that error been repeated here? Is it 3, or 4? And aren't we doing exactly the same in the face of Omicron? Chickens, roost, and when to start counting? :-S

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pelmetman - 2021-12-03 10:53 AM

 

CurtainRaiser - 2021-12-02 10:49 PM

 

141 people died today in the UK, 7,644 people are in hospital

 

Time for a Christmas party anyone?

 

357 people died yesterday in Germany, 4,636 are serious critical.......compared to 931 in the UK :-| ..........

 

So that's called Merkel handling the Pandemic better than Boris? 8-) ..........

 

Boris made his mistakes at the start of the Pandemic......

As if breaking lockdown rules wasn't enough, he continues to make "mistakes" he's made time and time again.

 

Meantime in Germany their figures do not come anywhere remotely close to our appalling statistic which your boy is responsible for.

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Brian Kirby - 2021-12-03 12:25 PM

 

Here you go, Dave, from MIT Technology Review 15/11/21. It's a little out of date now, but the analysis seems sound enough. I'm surprised you didn't find it yourself, since all it takes is a "google" search. :-D

 

Germany’s coronavirus case numbers have reached their highest levels since the early days of the pandemic, with warnings that covid is “spreading dramatically” and requires a “quick and unified response.” At the same time, the Netherlands is imposing partial restrictions to control rising case levels, including an 8 p.m. curfew on stores and restaurants, and empty stadiums for professional sports. Austria, meanwhile, has just ordered a strict new lockdown— but only for unvaccinated people.

 

It’s a similar picture across much of Europe, which Reuters reports is now responsible for more than half of all covid cases worldwide—the highest proportion since April 2020. In Croatia, which has 4 million residents, cases and fatalities are now higher than they were during the country’s spring wave. The average of 55 daily deaths exceeds its levels this time a year ago, part of a pattern that is being seen across much of the continent. So what’s happening?

 

The two main drivers are the cold season and the low vaccination coverage,” says Marcel Salathé, an associate professor and digital epidemiologist at EPFL in Switzerland. “Only one of them is inevitable.”

 

Experts point to the different factors feeding into this rise in cases. One is the virus itself, and the continuing spread of the more infectious, faster-spreading delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It first appeared in India in late 2020, meaning that for many countries this is the first winter it will be the dominant strain.

 

At the same time, many mitigation strategies have been relaxed as people try to get away from social distancing and mask use and back to something that looks a bit more like pre-pandemic life. Austria had recently banned unvaccinated people from visiting restaurants, cafés, and—yes—ski lifts, but its new lockdown is far more severe.

 

In a briefing to the Royal Society of Medicine last week, British epidemiologist Tim Spector said we are coming to realize that “vaccines alone, even in countries that have got higher vaccination rates than ours, are not the sort of final solution to this.”

“We need a combination of measures,” said Spector, who runs the ZOE Covid study at King’s College London. “How high we want those rates to be is determined by our complacency and our relaxation to some of the rules we had in place that last year I thought were over the top, and now this year I think are insufficient.”

 

Despite this, vaccination rates are the most important factor that explains the variance between countries like Croatia and Italy.

Many Eastern European countries have lower rates of vaccination than some of their neighbors: Croatia is at 46% fully vaccinated, for example, while Slovakia is at 43%. (The European average is around 56%.) Unvaccinated people are driving the increase in numbers, said Austrian chancellor Alexander Schallenberg when announcing his country’s new lockdown: “The [daily infection] rate for the unvaccinated is at over 1,700, while for the vaccinated it is at 383.”

 

Where vaccination rates are higher, the result is less serious illness and death—even if transmission is high. In the UK 80% of people over 12 have had two doses of covid vaccine, for example.

 

“The countries that are doing best are the ones with high vaccine coverage and effective measures,” says Salathé. “The worst countries are the ones that have neither. Most are in between.”

 

But even when vaccination rates are high and the pressure of cases is relatively low, it may not be enough for long-term protection—especially given the fading effectiveness of vaccines over time.

 

“The UK rolled out a vaccination program earlier than most countries, and therefore has experienced the impact of waning immunity earlier,” says Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health at the University of Southampton. “The boosters here in the UK are clearly having an impact around hospital admissions and new cases in older populations.”

 

That means continuing to vaccinate people, and boosting the immune response of people who were vaccinated early in the cycle, remains vitally important.

 

“Where we see uncontrolled outbreaks, we also see emergence of new variants of interest and concern, and we really don’t want any new variants to become dominant and have a greater impact upon the effectiveness of our vaccines,” he says. “Ultimately, the world cannot fully relax until the vast majority of the world is vaccinated. The combination of vaccine hesitancy and lack of access to vaccines is everyone’s problem.”

 

This part had a particularly familiar ring. "At the same time, many mitigation strategies have been relaxed as people try to get away from social distancing and mask use and back to something that looks a bit more like pre-pandemic life." How many times has that error been repeated here? Is it 3, or 4? And aren't we doing exactly the same in the face of Omicron? Chickens, roost, and when to start counting? :-S

 

So Merkel hasn't managed the Pandemic any better than Boris ;-) ............

 

Just as I thought >:-) .........

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pelmetman - 2021-12-03 7:32 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2021-12-03 12:25 PM

 

Here you go, Dave, from MIT Technology Review 15/11/21. It's a little out of date now, but the analysis seems sound enough. I'm surprised you didn't find it yourself, since all it takes is a "google" search. :-D

 

Germany’s coronavirus case numbers have reached their highest levels since the early days of the pandemic, with warnings that covid is “spreading dramatically” and requires a “quick and unified response.” At the same time, the Netherlands is imposing partial restrictions to control rising case levels, including an 8 p.m. curfew on stores and restaurants, and empty stadiums for professional sports. Austria, meanwhile, has just ordered a strict new lockdown— but only for unvaccinated people.

 

It’s a similar picture across much of Europe, which Reuters reports is now responsible for more than half of all covid cases worldwide—the highest proportion since April 2020. In Croatia, which has 4 million residents, cases and fatalities are now higher than they were during the country’s spring wave. The average of 55 daily deaths exceeds its levels this time a year ago, part of a pattern that is being seen across much of the continent. So what’s happening?

 

The two main drivers are the cold season and the low vaccination coverage,” says Marcel Salathé, an associate professor and digital epidemiologist at EPFL in Switzerland. “Only one of them is inevitable.”

 

Experts point to the different factors feeding into this rise in cases. One is the virus itself, and the continuing spread of the more infectious, faster-spreading delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It first appeared in India in late 2020, meaning that for many countries this is the first winter it will be the dominant strain.

 

At the same time, many mitigation strategies have been relaxed as people try to get away from social distancing and mask use and back to something that looks a bit more like pre-pandemic life. Austria had recently banned unvaccinated people from visiting restaurants, cafés, and—yes—ski lifts, but its new lockdown is far more severe.

 

In a briefing to the Royal Society of Medicine last week, British epidemiologist Tim Spector said we are coming to realize that “vaccines alone, even in countries that have got higher vaccination rates than ours, are not the sort of final solution to this.”

“We need a combination of measures,” said Spector, who runs the ZOE Covid study at King’s College London. “How high we want those rates to be is determined by our complacency and our relaxation to some of the rules we had in place that last year I thought were over the top, and now this year I think are insufficient.”

 

Despite this, vaccination rates are the most important factor that explains the variance between countries like Croatia and Italy.

Many Eastern European countries have lower rates of vaccination than some of their neighbors: Croatia is at 46% fully vaccinated, for example, while Slovakia is at 43%. (The European average is around 56%.) Unvaccinated people are driving the increase in numbers, said Austrian chancellor Alexander Schallenberg when announcing his country’s new lockdown: “The [daily infection] rate for the unvaccinated is at over 1,700, while for the vaccinated it is at 383.”

 

Where vaccination rates are higher, the result is less serious illness and death—even if transmission is high. In the UK 80% of people over 12 have had two doses of covid vaccine, for example.

 

“The countries that are doing best are the ones with high vaccine coverage and effective measures,” says Salathé. “The worst countries are the ones that have neither. Most are in between.”

 

But even when vaccination rates are high and the pressure of cases is relatively low, it may not be enough for long-term protection—especially given the fading effectiveness of vaccines over time.

 

“The UK rolled out a vaccination program earlier than most countries, and therefore has experienced the impact of waning immunity earlier,” says Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health at the University of Southampton. “The boosters here in the UK are clearly having an impact around hospital admissions and new cases in older populations.”

 

That means continuing to vaccinate people, and boosting the immune response of people who were vaccinated early in the cycle, remains vitally important.

 

“Where we see uncontrolled outbreaks, we also see emergence of new variants of interest and concern, and we really don’t want any new variants to become dominant and have a greater impact upon the effectiveness of our vaccines,” he says. “Ultimately, the world cannot fully relax until the vast majority of the world is vaccinated. The combination of vaccine hesitancy and lack of access to vaccines is everyone’s problem.”

 

This part had a particularly familiar ring. "At the same time, many mitigation strategies have been relaxed as people try to get away from social distancing and mask use and back to something that looks a bit more like pre-pandemic life." How many times has that error been repeated here? Is it 3, or 4? And aren't we doing exactly the same in the face of Omicron? Chickens, roost, and when to start counting? :-S

 

So Merkel has managed the Pandemic better than Boris ;-) ............

 

Just as I thought >:-) .........

Correct......you're beginning to learn after getting regularly skewered on those other threads (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)

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malc d - 2021-12-03 12:54 PM

 

I bet Dave doesn't read it.

 

;-)

 

I wonder if you will read this? ;-) .........

 

"Her most important ally, however, is Angela Merkel, whom von der Leyen has stuck by through thick and thin. Merkel has returned the loyalty by leaving von der Leyen in place despite mounting problems at the defense ministry — and by backing her for the Commission leadership."

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-biography-career-inconvenient-truth/

 

It's a pretty damning critic and proves to me that Merkel ensured her pet poodle was put in charge of the EU >:-) ........

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Bulletguy - 2021-12-03 7:39 PM

 

pelmetman - 2021-12-03 7:32 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2021-12-03 12:25 PM

 

Here you go, Dave, from MIT Technology Review 15/11/21. It's a little out of date now, but the analysis seems sound enough. I'm surprised you didn't find it yourself, since all it takes is a "google" search. :-D

 

Germany’s coronavirus case numbers have reached their highest levels since the early days of the pandemic, with warnings that covid is “spreading dramatically” and requires a “quick and unified response.” At the same time, the Netherlands is imposing partial restrictions to control rising case levels, including an 8 p.m. curfew on stores and restaurants, and empty stadiums for professional sports. Austria, meanwhile, has just ordered a strict new lockdown— but only for unvaccinated people.

 

It’s a similar picture across much of Europe, which Reuters reports is now responsible for more than half of all covid cases worldwide—the highest proportion since April 2020. In Croatia, which has 4 million residents, cases and fatalities are now higher than they were during the country’s spring wave. The average of 55 daily deaths exceeds its levels this time a year ago, part of a pattern that is being seen across much of the continent. So what’s happening?

 

The two main drivers are the cold season and the low vaccination coverage,” says Marcel Salathé, an associate professor and digital epidemiologist at EPFL in Switzerland. “Only one of them is inevitable.”

 

Experts point to the different factors feeding into this rise in cases. One is the virus itself, and the continuing spread of the more infectious, faster-spreading delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It first appeared in India in late 2020, meaning that for many countries this is the first winter it will be the dominant strain.

 

At the same time, many mitigation strategies have been relaxed as people try to get away from social distancing and mask use and back to something that looks a bit more like pre-pandemic life. Austria had recently banned unvaccinated people from visiting restaurants, cafés, and—yes—ski lifts, but its new lockdown is far more severe.

 

In a briefing to the Royal Society of Medicine last week, British epidemiologist Tim Spector said we are coming to realize that “vaccines alone, even in countries that have got higher vaccination rates than ours, are not the sort of final solution to this.”

“We need a combination of measures,” said Spector, who runs the ZOE Covid study at King’s College London. “How high we want those rates to be is determined by our complacency and our relaxation to some of the rules we had in place that last year I thought were over the top, and now this year I think are insufficient.”

 

Despite this, vaccination rates are the most important factor that explains the variance between countries like Croatia and Italy.

Many Eastern European countries have lower rates of vaccination than some of their neighbors: Croatia is at 46% fully vaccinated, for example, while Slovakia is at 43%. (The European average is around 56%.) Unvaccinated people are driving the increase in numbers, said Austrian chancellor Alexander Schallenberg when announcing his country’s new lockdown: “The [daily infection] rate for the unvaccinated is at over 1,700, while for the vaccinated it is at 383.”

 

Where vaccination rates are higher, the result is less serious illness and death—even if transmission is high. In the UK 80% of people over 12 have had two doses of covid vaccine, for example.

 

“The countries that are doing best are the ones with high vaccine coverage and effective measures,” says Salathé. “The worst countries are the ones that have neither. Most are in between.”

 

But even when vaccination rates are high and the pressure of cases is relatively low, it may not be enough for long-term protection—especially given the fading effectiveness of vaccines over time.

 

“The UK rolled out a vaccination program earlier than most countries, and therefore has experienced the impact of waning immunity earlier,” says Michael Head, a senior research fellow in global health at the University of Southampton. “The boosters here in the UK are clearly having an impact around hospital admissions and new cases in older populations.”

 

That means continuing to vaccinate people, and boosting the immune response of people who were vaccinated early in the cycle, remains vitally important.

 

“Where we see uncontrolled outbreaks, we also see emergence of new variants of interest and concern, and we really don’t want any new variants to become dominant and have a greater impact upon the effectiveness of our vaccines,” he says. “Ultimately, the world cannot fully relax until the vast majority of the world is vaccinated. The combination of vaccine hesitancy and lack of access to vaccines is everyone’s problem.”

 

This part had a particularly familiar ring. "At the same time, many mitigation strategies have been relaxed as people try to get away from social distancing and mask use and back to something that looks a bit more like pre-pandemic life." How many times has that error been repeated here? Is it 3, or 4? And aren't we doing exactly the same in the face of Omicron? Chickens, roost, and when to start counting? :-S

 

So Merkel hasn't managed the Pandemic better than Boris ;-) ............

 

Just as I thought >:-) .........

 

BullSH1Tguy is a Twerp

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pelmetman - 2021-12-03 8:10 PM

 

malc d - 2021-12-03 12:54 PM

 

I bet Dave doesn't read it.

 

;-)

 

I wonder if you will read this? ;-) .........

 

"Her most important ally, however, is Angela Merkel, whom von der Leyen has stuck by through thick and thin. Merkel has returned the loyalty by leaving von der Leyen in place despite mounting problems at the defense ministry — and by backing her for the Commission leadership."

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-biography-career-inconvenient-truth/

 

It's a pretty damning critic and proves to me that Merkel ensured her pet poodle was put in charge of the EU >:-) ........

 

They are both very good at their jobs. They are not taking £500k bungs to get someone a £500m taxpayer funded contract. Or whipping their MPs to overturn a report exposing corruption that they haven't even read.

Have you realised who is the LOSER paying for that yet *-)

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pelmetman - 2021-12-03 7:32 PM................................

So Merkel hasn't managed the Pandemic any better than Boris ;-) ............

Just as I thought >:-) .........

Well, she's gone now, so we'll just have to wait to see. But Germany hasn't managed the pandemic overall any worse than the UK, has it? They have now responded strongly to the present infection surge, while we are saying carry on partying and relying wholly on the vaccines. That seems to me unwise, and potentially liable to result in a further mutation that gets around the present vaccine protection. But, again, we shall have to wait and see.

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-12-04 3:17 PM

 

I can't believe that she never mentioned Peppa Pig?

 

Germany elected a mature leader where UK elected a bone idle irresponsible immature clown.

 

16 years and four terms of office as Chancellor shows how well respected Angela Merkel was by her people, I only hope Scholz proves as good.

 

 

 

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pelmetman - 2021-12-03 7:32 PM................................

So Merkel hasn't managed the Pandemic any better than Boris ;-) ............

Just as I thought >:-) .........

Well, she's gone now, so we'll just have to wait to see. But Germany hasn't managed the pandemic overall any worse than the UK, has it? They have now responded strongly to the present infection surge, while we are saying carry on partying and relying wholly on the vaccines. That seems to me unwise, and potentially liable to result in a further mutation that gets around the present vaccine protection. But, again, we shall have to wait and see.

 

"But Germany hasn't managed the pandemic overall any worse than the UK, has it?"

 

See accepting the truth wasn't that hard was it? ;-) ..........

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pelmetman - 2021-12-03 7:32 PM................................

So Merkel hasn't managed the Pandemic any better than Boris ;-) ............

Just as I thought >:-) .........

Well, she's gone now, so we'll just have to wait to see. But Germany hasn't managed the pandemic overall any worse than the UK, has it? They have now responded strongly to the present infection surge, while we are saying carry on partying and relying wholly on the vaccines. That seems to me unwise, and potentially liable to result in a further mutation that gets around the present vaccine protection. But, again, we shall have to wait and see.

"But Germany hasn't managed the pandemic overall any worse than the UK, has it?"

See accepting the truth wasn't that hard was it? ;-) ..........

Eh?? If it hasn't managed it worse, it must have managed it the same, or better, mustn't it? You argument has consistently been that it has been doing worse.

 

So, ahem, to coin a phrase: "See, accepting the truth wasn't that hard was it?" (lol) (lol) But perhaps you were standing on your head when you wrote that, so it looked logical at the time.

 

You also consistently compare the raw numbers of deaths and infections for Germany and UK, omitting to correct for Germany's population of about 84,000,000, compared to UK population of 68,400,000, a difference of 15,600,000 - or close to the population of Somalia! So, if population is taken into account, as it should be, Germany emerges considerably better off than the raw data alone suggests.

 

Which again highlights your fixation with "proving" UK better than Germany, on the flimsiest of (usually wrong) pretexts, and why that is. You didn't pick up something nasty in Germany when you were in the navy, did you? (lol) (lol) (lol)

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pelmetman - 2021-12-05 8:53 AM

 

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pelmetman - 2021-12-03 7:32 PM................................

So Merkel hasn't managed the Pandemic any better than Boris ;-) ............

Just as I thought >:-) .........

Well, she's gone now, so we'll just have to wait to see. But Germany hasn't managed the pandemic overall any worse than the UK, has it? They have now responded strongly to the present infection surge, while we are saying carry on partying and relying wholly on the vaccines. That seems to me unwise, and potentially liable to result in a further mutation that gets around the present vaccine protection. But, again, we shall have to wait and see.

 

"But Germany hasn't managed the pandemic overall any worse than the UK, has it?"

 

See accepting the truth wasn't that hard was it? ;-) ..........

 

How can you keep saying that? Go away and find out the total number of deaths from Covid for both countries and then consider the population numbers. Vaccines and the NHS pulled the UK out of the sh1t after Johnson gave us the worst death rate in the world on more than one occasion. We got lucky with the timing in recent months and countries like Germany have been hit harder but if you really think Germany has not handled the pandemic better than the UK overall then you really are stark raving mad.

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