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Posted: 2 December 2018 9:57 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-12-02 7:08 PM

Percent we're roughly in line with Germany and France who are the two other major contributors in what we spend and receive. This is a very useful site;
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/budgetataglance/default_en.html#united_kingdom



Conveniently you forget that the EU is run by the Fourth Reich .......

But as you are a Left wing Socialist I'm not surprised .........

You are never very far from your right wing .......

There are currently 28 member states in the EU with each country having it's own democratically elected representatives, and as has been pointed out to you so many times before, you have the opportunity to cast votes at the ballot box for your MEP. I suspect you never bothered though which is another reason i find your critcism of the EU somewhat hypocritical.
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Posted: 2 December 2018 9:59 PM
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Once again there are so many holes in the logic of your reply that if you can't see them you are probably beyond help so there is no point in me bothering to respond.
It is quite clear that your mind is closed and you are hell bent on imposing your own bias on everyone one else so I see little point in continuing this line of debate.
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Posted: 2 December 2018 10:52 PM
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antony1969 - 2018-12-02 8:54 PM

If the UK population have now seen through the lies and the mood has changed then why in the 2 years since the vote haven't we seen a Macron style drop in the polls ... Macrons have dropped faster than Bullet can say racist in the18 months since the election as the French see through his twaddle yet the polls for Brexit have hardly changed even with all yours and others endless doom and gloom ... Just don't add up


They have changed slowly. The latest poll now shows 56% in favour of remain. I agree, its still not much but the penny is yet to drop that the Brexit that was promised cannot and will not be delivered. As I said. Only a very small minority actually want us to crash out with nothing but so far there is an even smaller minority that seem to back Mays deal. So there are a lot of Brexiteers that claim they still want Brexit but neither of those options suit them it would seem. Maybe they were the ones that fell for the rubbish about us getting this incredible deal with all the benefits whilst still leaving they were promised or perhaps they backed Farage and Hannon when they said we could be like Norway and stay in the Single Market.

So in any second referendum there wont be an option that fits those Brexiteers version of Brexit. It could actually be Mays deal or remain. Going on the current polls on that it would be a landslide. If its No deal, Mays deal and remain there is no doubt that by splitting the vote Remain would win and in a vote for No deal or remain I suspect many would bottle it and vote remain.

I could be wildly wrong of course but I dont think so.
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I see Katie Hopkins "no deal" Brexit rally did really well.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/kate-hopkins-pro-brexit-rally-13678476

The no dealers make a lot of noise on social media but I reckon they just dont have the numbers,
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Posted: 2 December 2018 11:35 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 10:59 PM

I see Katie Hopkins "no deal" Brexit rally did really well.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/kate-hopkins-pro-brexit-rally-13678476

The no dealers make a lot of noise on social media but I reckon they just dont have the numbers,

Those folks are a very scarce breed today. Look at the little group of just 10 people on the bridge.....oh dear!

I liked this comment, "Is that a demonstration or the bus queue?"
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Posted: 3 December 2018 6:22 AM
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antony1969 - 2018-12-02 8:54 PM

If the UK population have now seen through the lies and the mood has changed then why in the 2 years since the vote haven't we seen a Macron style drop in the polls ... Macrons have dropped faster than Bullet can say racist in the18 months since the election as the French see through his twaddle yet the polls for Brexit have hardly changed even with all yours and others endless doom and gloom ... Just don't add up


They have changed slowly. The latest poll now shows 56% in favour of remain. I agree, its still not much but the penny is yet to drop that the Brexit that was promised cannot and will not be delivered. As I said. Only a very small minority actually want us to crash out with nothing but so far there is an even smaller minority that seem to back Mays deal. So there are a lot of Brexiteers that claim they still want Brexit but neither of those options suit them it would seem. Maybe they were the ones that fell for the rubbish about us getting this incredible deal with all the benefits whilst still leaving they were promised or perhaps they backed Farage and Hannon when they said we could be like Norway and stay in the Single Market.

So in any second referendum there wont be an option that fits those Brexiteers version of Brexit. It could actually be Mays deal or remain. Going on the current polls on that it would be a landslide. If its No deal, Mays deal and remain there is no doubt that by splitting the vote Remain would win and in a vote for No deal or remain I suspect many would bottle it and vote remain.

I could be wildly wrong of course but I dont think so.


Well once again I dint know who your talking to in your bedroom but it aint what Im hearing ... Leave and get on with it is what I get and leave means leave as its always done ... 116 days tick tock tick tock
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Posted: 3 December 2018 8:32 AM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-02 10:52 PM

They have changed slowly. The latest poll now shows 56% in favour of remain. I agree, its still not much


They're back to where they were on the 22/06/2016 ........

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Posted: 3 December 2018 10:32 AM
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Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.
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Posted: 3 December 2018 11:40 AM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???


Because I enjoy the debate Antony! Anyway there is no certainty there will be a second vote so we have to keep pushing for one. I could ask the same of the Brexiteers. They seem certain they will win another vote so whats their problem with having one? I am not sure they have counted on there being two leave options though with not a cat in hells chance of a majority for either or combined probably. It would be fairer to just have two options really and Im good with that as long as one of them is remain.

Theresa is still repeating the mantra this morning that there will not be a second vote but I still cant make up my mind if she is playing a remainer long game or is just a bat sh1t crazy Brexiteers now. If the latter she is doing a crap job for your lot so far.

I do not know if there will be a Labour Government within 116 days but its quite possible as is just about anything now really.
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Posted: 3 December 2018 12:31 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???


Because I enjoy the debate Antony! Anyway there is no certainty there will be a second vote so we have to keep pushing for one. I could ask the same of the Brexiteers. They seem certain they will win another vote so whats their problem with having one? I am not sure they have counted on there being two leave options though with not a cat in hells chance of a majority for either or combined probably. It would be fairer to just have two options really and Im good with that as long as one of them is remain.

Theresa is still repeating the mantra this morning that there will not be a second vote but I still cant make up my mind if she is playing a remainer long game or is just a bat sh1t crazy Brexiteers now. If the latter she is doing a crap job for your lot so far.

I do not know if there will be a Labour Government within 116 days but its quite possible as is just about anything now really.


By all accounts the earliest you could have a peoples vote is May ..........

Kinda bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted dontcha think? ..........

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Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???


Because I enjoy the debate Antony! Anyway there is no certainty there will be a second vote so we have to keep pushing for one. I could ask the same of the Brexiteers. They seem certain they will win another vote so whats their problem with having one? I am not sure they have counted on there being two leave options though with not a cat in hells chance of a majority for either or combined probably. It would be fairer to just have two options really and Im good with that as long as one of them is remain.

Theresa is still repeating the mantra this morning that there will not be a second vote but I still cant make up my mind if she is playing a remainer long game or is just a bat sh1t crazy Brexiteers now. If the latter she is doing a crap job for your lot so far.

I do not know if there will be a Labour Government within 116 days but its quite possible as is just about anything now really.


I wasn't questioning your debate enjoyment just why any debate is required when youve already told us whats going to happen though you do now seem to have changed your Labour Government stance somewhat
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Tracker - 2018-12-02 5:31 PM...……………...We certaimly have learned and become informed about just how controlling and manipulative the EU is and how they are not prepared to let us leave on any terms but theirs. …………………………….…....

Not sure I understand this, Rich. Controlling and manipulative seem out of step with the process as I have been watching it. Patient and long suffering I think would be a fairer characterisation.

HMG (though I struggle to give our present government so grand a title) spent (wasted) more time negotiating with each other and occasionally resigning, than they spent in constructive negotiation with the EU.

It became abundantly clear to me over the past two and a half years that there was no settled vision of what a post Brexit Britain should be, so there could be no strategy for realising that vision.

If one puts one's self in the position of the EU negotiators, charged with securing a deal on behalf of 27 other countries (all of which have national interests they wish to protect) which finds a way to satisfy their various interests, it becomes almost impossible to understand how any negotiations can have taken place at all.

We seem to have done little more than take our place at the table, smiled, and than said "guess what we want". In that context, someone had to play the role of the grown up. If our cabinet couldn't agree what they were trying to achieve, how was it ever possible to negotiate on how to get there? Get where?

We seem to have tried to negotiate withdrawal from all the bits of the EU that the cabinet, in pursuit of their own various agendas, wished to claim were what "the people voted for" (while knowing full well that they didn't know what the people voted for, as no-one had asked), while remaining attached to the EU for all the bits they could agree were desirable and could be retained without "the people" complaining they hadn't delivered what they had wanted. This was done with (mostly) good intent, because most of the cabinet recognised the economic damage that "what the people wanted" would do to the UK.

What the Lisbon Treaty provides for is simple withdrawal from the EU. Any future relationship with the EU then falls to be negotiated from scratch under the provisions of (mainly) the Maastricht Treaty. That sequence of events is inherent in the Lisbon Treaty as signed by the UK government. A classic case of read and understand the treaty before you sign it! Plainly most of those ministers making the biggest noise on the ease of leaving hadn't understood the treaties.

We could quite easily have negotiated to leave, had we not wanted to remain "close" (in effect to remain a "country" member) in order to minimise economic damage without too many people noticing that the objective always was BRINO. That in turn was the inevitable consequence of asking such a foolishly simple question about such a complex issue.

But then, we were daft enough to elect that government, so we get what we deserve!
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Posted: 3 December 2018 6:19 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-03 12:31 PM...............….By all accounts the earliest you could have a peoples vote is May ..........

Kinda bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted dontcha think? ..........

It is surprising what government and parliament can do if they are united over wanting to do it. However, as the EU obviously want us to stay, I wouldn't be surprised if the provision in Article 50 for an extension of time were agreed.
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-03 6:19 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-03 12:31 PM...............….By all accounts the earliest you could have a peoples vote is May ..........

Kinda bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted dontcha think? ..........

It is surprising what government and parliament can do if they are united over wanting to do it. However, as the EU obviously want us to stay, I wouldn't be surprised if the provision in Article 50 for an extension of time were agreed.


Boris was Right.......TM deal would mean we'll just be a vassal state of the EU ........

Imagine how that is going to play out with the voters at any new referendum .........

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pelmetman - 2018-12-03 6:42 PM......……………...
Boris was Right.......TM deal would mean we'll just be a vassal state of the EU ........

Imagine how that is going to play out with the voters at any new referendum .........

Boris is right, it is a bad deal. It is worse than membership, which has emerged as economically the best deal overall.

How that simple realisation (which has only just been dragged out of the government, and was never made clear - among any number of other things - before the referendum vote) will play out with the electorate is yet to be revealed.

With any luck, that is exactly what will happen - though it would be far better if our collective MPs actually do what they are paid to do, make the decision themselves on the basis of what they judge to be overall best in the national interest, and then instruct the government to get on with it. Now that really would be British democracy working as it is intended to work. How about that?
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???


Because I enjoy the debate Antony! Anyway there is no certainty there will be a second vote so we have to keep pushing for one. I could ask the same of the Brexiteers. They seem certain they will win another vote so whats their problem with having one? I am not sure they have counted on there being two leave options though with not a cat in hells chance of a majority for either or combined probably. It would be fairer to just have two options really and Im good with that as long as one of them is remain.

Theresa is still repeating the mantra this morning that there will not be a second vote but I still cant make up my mind if she is playing a remainer long game or is just a bat sh1t crazy Brexiteers now. If the latter she is doing a crap job for your lot so far.

I do not know if there will be a Labour Government within 116 days but its quite possible as is just about anything now really.


I wasn't questioning your debate enjoyment just why any debate is required when youve already told us whats going to happen though you do now seem to have changed your Labour Government stance somewhat


I told you ages ago that it was a distinct possibility and you fell about laughing. I never said it was certain but right now it seems one of several possible outcomes. I bet your not laughing now though huh?

Somethings got to give soon. all the options are terrible apart from remaining in the EU. Could be a change of government, could be article 50 is extended for a second referendum. The EU have long agreed that this is possible for either scenario or as we have found out today we can just revoke Article 50 on our own and pretend it never happened. That would be the easiest option.
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???


Because I enjoy the debate Antony! Anyway there is no certainty there will be a second vote so we have to keep pushing for one. I could ask the same of the Brexiteers. They seem certain they will win another vote so whats their problem with having one? I am not sure they have counted on there being two leave options though with not a cat in hells chance of a majority for either or combined probably. It would be fairer to just have two options really and Im good with that as long as one of them is remain.

Theresa is still repeating the mantra this morning that there will not be a second vote but I still cant make up my mind if she is playing a remainer long game or is just a bat sh1t crazy Brexiteers now. If the latter she is doing a crap job for your lot so far.

I do not know if there will be a Labour Government within 116 days but its quite possible as is just about anything now really.


I wasn't questioning your debate enjoyment just why any debate is required when youve already told us whats going to happen though you do now seem to have changed your Labour Government stance somewhat


I told you ages ago that it was a distinct possibility and you fell about laughing. I never said it was certain but right now it seems one of several possible outcomes. I bet your not laughing now though huh?

Somethings got to give soon. all the options are terrible apart from remaining in the EU. Could be a change of government, could be article 50 is extended for a second referendum. The EU have long agreed that this is possible for either scenario or as we have found out today we can just revoke Article 50 on our own and pretend it never happened. That would be the easiest option.


Or it could just be a change of leader .........

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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 5:10 PM....................Or it could just be a change of leader .........

So, who are you backing for the new leader? Then we'll know the worth of your judgements!
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 5:10 PM....................Or it could just be a change of leader .........

So, who are you backing for the new leader? Then we'll know the worth of your judgements!


Not overly fussed ........

So long as they're a proper Brexiteer .........

Remoaners trying to do a Brexiteers job is why we are where we are ........

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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 5:10 PM....................Or it could just be a change of leader .........

So, who are you backing for the new leader? Then we'll know the worth of your judgements!


Not overly fussed ........

So long as they're a proper Brexiteer .........

Remoaners trying to do a Brexiteers job is why we are where we are ........



What do you think a Brexiteer leader would be able to do differently now Dave now that Parliament have control? You got what you wanted though. Parliament has proven how sovereign it is today.
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???


Because I enjoy the debate Antony! Anyway there is no certainty there will be a second vote so we have to keep pushing for one. I could ask the same of the Brexiteers. They seem certain they will win another vote so whats their problem with having one? I am not sure they have counted on there being two leave options though with not a cat in hells chance of a majority for either or combined probably. It would be fairer to just have two options really and Im good with that as long as one of them is remain.

Theresa is still repeating the mantra this morning that there will not be a second vote but I still cant make up my mind if she is playing a remainer long game or is just a bat sh1t crazy Brexiteers now. If the latter she is doing a crap job for your lot so far.

I do not know if there will be a Labour Government within 116 days but its quite possible as is just about anything now really.


I wasn't questioning your debate enjoyment just why any debate is required when youve already told us whats going to happen though you do now seem to have changed your Labour Government stance somewhat


I told you ages ago that it was a distinct possibility and you fell about laughing. I never said it was certain but right now it seems one of several possible outcomes. I bet your not laughing now though huh?

Somethings got to give soon. all the options are terrible apart from remaining in the EU. Could be a change of government, could be article 50 is extended for a second referendum. The EU have long agreed that this is possible for either scenario or as we have found out today we can just revoke Article 50 on our own and pretend it never happened. That would be the easiest option.


Nope you told us all Labour would be in Government before Brexit in March with a monkey in charge ... If thats not certain I dont know what is
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 5:10 PM....................Or it could just be a change of leader .........

So, who are you backing for the new leader? Then we'll know the worth of your judgements!


Not overly fussed ........

So long as they're a proper Brexiteer .........

Remoaners trying to do a Brexiteers job is why we are where we are ........



What do you think a Brexiteer leader would be able to do differently now Dave now that Parliament have control? You got what you wanted though. Parliament has proven how sovereign it is today.


But it hasn't.....has it ........

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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 5:10 PM....................Or it could just be a change of leader .........

So, who are you backing for the new leader? Then we'll know the worth of your judgements!


Not overly fussed ........

So long as they're a proper Brexiteer .........

Remoaners trying to do a Brexiteers job is why we are where we are ........



What do you think a Brexiteer leader would be able to do differently now Dave now that Parliament have control? You got what you wanted though. Parliament has proven how sovereign it is today.


But it hasn't.....has it ........



Well it has as far as your no deal is concerned.
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???


Because I enjoy the debate Antony! Anyway there is no certainty there will be a second vote so we have to keep pushing for one. I could ask the same of the Brexiteers. They seem certain they will win another vote so whats their problem with having one? I am not sure they have counted on there being two leave options though with not a cat in hells chance of a majority for either or combined probably. It would be fairer to just have two options really and Im good with that as long as one of them is remain.

Theresa is still repeating the mantra this morning that there will not be a second vote but I still cant make up my mind if she is playing a remainer long game or is just a bat sh1t crazy Brexiteers now. If the latter she is doing a crap job for your lot so far.

I do not know if there will be a Labour Government within 116 days but its quite possible as is just about anything now really.


I wasn't questioning your debate enjoyment just why any debate is required when youve already told us whats going to happen though you do now seem to have changed your Labour Government stance somewhat


I told you ages ago that it was a distinct possibility and you fell about laughing. I never said it was certain but right now it seems one of several possible outcomes. I bet your not laughing now though huh?

Somethings got to give soon. all the options are terrible apart from remaining in the EU. Could be a change of government, could be article 50 is extended for a second referendum. The EU have long agreed that this is possible for either scenario or as we have found out today we can just revoke Article 50 on our own and pretend it never happened. That would be the easiest option.


Nope you told us all Labour would be in Government before Brexit in March with a monkey in charge ... If thats not certain I dont know what is


Well Corbyn is a bit of a Chimp. Could happen still.
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-05 12:41 PM

antony1969 - 2018-12-05 6:16 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-04 4:59 PM

antony1969 - 2018-12-03 12:33 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 12:27 PM

antony1969 - 2018-12-03 11:40 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-03 10:32 AM

Well whether you believe the polls or not by January if nobody changes their mind there will not be a majority in favour of Brexit simply on the number of voters that have died and new voters that are eligible to vote. Polls are more accurate now than they were in 2016 as well.

As I said though any vote now is going to be on the choices of a crap deal, no deal or remaining and the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain. you will never get a majority for Mays deal or no deal.


I dont understand why you feel the need to tell us anything about Brexit given what youve posted ... "the only one with a huge majority out of those three will be remain" ... So whats your problem ??? ... Youve already told us a Labour government will be in power before Brexit in 116 days ... Its all going rosy for ya so why stress ???


Because I enjoy the debate Antony! Anyway there is no certainty there will be a second vote so we have to keep pushing for one. I could ask the same of the Brexiteers. They seem certain they will win another vote so whats their problem with having one? I am not sure they have counted on there being two leave options though with not a cat in hells chance of a majority for either or combined probably. It would be fairer to just have two options really and Im good with that as long as one of them is remain.

Theresa is still repeating the mantra this morning that there will not be a second vote but I still cant make up my mind if she is playing a remainer long game or is just a bat sh1t crazy Brexiteers now. If the latter she is doing a crap job for your lot so far.

I do not know if there will be a Labour Government within 116 days but its quite possible as is just about anything now really.


I wasn't questioning your debate enjoyment just why any debate is required when youve already told us whats going to happen though you do now seem to have changed your Labour Government stance somewhat


I told you ages ago that it was a distinct possibility and you fell about laughing. I never said it was certain but right now it seems one of several possible outcomes. I bet your not laughing now though huh?

Somethings got to give soon. all the options are terrible apart from remaining in the EU. Could be a change of government, could be article 50 is extended for a second referendum. The EU have long agreed that this is possible for either scenario or as we have found out today we can just revoke Article 50 on our own and pretend it never happened. That would be the easiest option.


Nope you told us all Labour would be in Government before Brexit in March with a monkey in charge ... If thats not certain I dont know what is


Well Corbyn is a bit of a Chimp. Could happen still.


Corbyn wont "win" a election .......he'll only reach number 10 by default ........

Coz if you do manage to prevent Brexit then the Tories UKIP voters will desert them again ........

So the country will have to endure a regime far worse than Brexit .........

Glad I've got my padron and a escape route ..........

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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:54 PM...……………...So the country will have to endure a regime far worse than Brexit .........

No, not worse than Brexit (which I thought you think good, not bad ) but possibly an expedient (though IMO undesirable) way to escape Brexit.

A Corbyn government would last five years max, after which, if it cocks-up, it can be changed. Brexit is irreversible, so if it cocks-up, everyone loses - basically for ever. It is a choice between limited short term damage, and permanent damage. No brainer, really!
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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:54 PM...……………...So the country will have to endure a regime far worse than Brexit .........

No, not worse than Brexit (which I thought you think good, not bad ) but possibly an expedient (though IMO undesirable) way to escape Brexit.

A Corbyn government would last five years max, after which, if it cocks-up, it can be changed. Brexit is irreversible, so if it cocks-up, everyone loses - basically for ever. It is a choice between limited short term damage, and permanent damage. No brainer, really!


Exactly. Guardian live today stated only 38% of the public still think Brexit is a good idea. Corbyn should come all out against Brexit and he will probably win. Or better still just clear off and let Starmer take over then Labour will definitely win.

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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:54 PM...……………...So the country will have to endure a regime far worse than Brexit .........

No, not worse than Brexit (which I thought you think good, not bad ) but possibly an expedient (though IMO undesirable) way to escape Brexit.

A Corbyn government would last five years max, after which, if it cocks-up, it can be changed. Brexit is irreversible, so if it cocks-up, everyone loses - basically for ever. It is a choice between limited short term damage, and permanent damage. No brainer, really!


So 5 years serious Corbyn damage is better than Brexit, that you think might damage the UK? .......

Coz unless we leave you wont "Actually" know will you Brian? ...........

I'm kinda looking forward to a Corbyn government now .........

Viewed from Spain of course .........

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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:54 PM...……………...So the country will have to endure a regime far worse than Brexit .........

No, not worse than Brexit (which I thought you think good, not bad ) but possibly an expedient (though IMO undesirable) way to escape Brexit.

A Corbyn government would last five years max, after which, if it cocks-up, it can be changed. Brexit is irreversible, so if it cocks-up, everyone loses - basically for ever. It is a choice between limited short term damage, and permanent damage. No brainer, really!


Exactly. Guardian live today stated only 38% of the public still think Brexit is a good idea. Corbyn should come all out against Brexit and he will probably win. Or better still just clear off and let Starmer take over then Labour will definitely win.


Is that 38% of Guardian readers? ...........

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