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userpelmetman
Posted: 23 July 2020 3:29 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 8:58 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-22 8:53 PM...…………………..Those of us who recall their NBCD ( Nuclear Biological Chemical Defence ) training will know that a mask will help ......
If used sensibly .......
Which is why I can see why Boris is reluctant in telling our 48% resident Loser population to use them .......
Coz they're as thick as mince ........

Says he who can't see any difference between nuclear fallout and a virus. No s**t, Sherlock!


Did you miss the word Biological Brian? ...........AKA GERM WAREFARE .........

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Posted: 23 July 2020 7:12 PM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-23 3:29 PM
Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 8:58 AM
pelmetman - 2020-07-22 8:53 PM...…………………..Those of us who recall their NBCD ( Nuclear Biological Chemical Defence ) training will know that a mask will help ......
If used sensibly .......
Which is why I can see why Boris is reluctant in telling our 48% resident Loser population to use them .......
Coz they're as thick as mince ........

Says he who can't see any difference between nuclear fallout and a virus. No s**t, Sherlock!

Did you miss the word Biological Brian? ...........AKA GERM WAREFARE .........

Er, no Dave, but it never occurred you'd be wandering around your local Tesco wearing one of those! The requirement is a face covering, not the full NBC Monty. Surely, even you must feel a bit of a tit in that!



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userjumpstart
Posted: 23 July 2020 7:17 PM
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I think that would suit Pelmetfeatures down to the ground.. He said he likes to put his money where his mouth is....but hey presto this should fill the gap between his lips just as well.
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Posted: 24 July 2020 9:32 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 7:12 PM

pelmetman - 2020-07-23 3:29 PM
Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 8:58 AM
pelmetman - 2020-07-22 8:53 PM...…………………..Those of us who recall their NBCD ( Nuclear Biological Chemical Defence ) training will know that a mask will help ......
If used sensibly .......
Which is why I can see why Boris is reluctant in telling our 48% resident Loser population to use them .......
Coz they're as thick as mince ........

Says he who can't see any difference between nuclear fallout and a virus. No s**t, Sherlock!

Did you miss the word Biological Brian? ...........AKA GERM WAREFARE .........

Er, no Dave, but it never occurred you'd be wandering around your local Tesco wearing one of those! The requirement is a face covering, not the full NBC Monty. Surely, even you must feel a bit of a tit in that!


If I could get one I would wear it ..........

I'd rather be a live Tit than a dead Tw t.........

BTW why do you think NHS staff wear a MASK and a VISOR ........

Because they know the virus can enter through the eyes ........



Edited by pelmetman 2020-07-24 9:35 AM
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Posted: 24 July 2020 9:43 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-24 9:32 AM


BTW why do you think NHS staff wear a MASK and a VISOR ........




It's because most of the people they get in close contact with, sometimes for long periods, are ILL, Dave.


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Posted: 24 July 2020 10:58 AM
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Why do you think Hospital staff wearing PPE still died. It’s because they were exposed to so much virus.
The point of the masks we wear is just to limit the risk of us getting it ,not to stop it 100%.
Having just been to two large supermarkets I noticed that whilst every customer was wearing a mask most of the staff were not ,in both stores.
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 24 July 2020 1:09 PM
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jumpstart - 2020-07-24 10:58 AM
1 Why do you think Hospital staff wearing PPE still died. It’s because they were exposed to so much virus.
2 The point of the masks we wear is just to limit the risk of us getting it ,not to stop it 100%.………………………..

1 Not really. It is basically because even the NHS issue clinical masks plus vizors did not adequately protect them from the virus.
2 Again not really. It has been accepted that the "mask" offers little to no protection to the wearer, and only limited protection for others if the wearer is infected.

But, for this to be true, we have to know what is meant by a "mask", or "face covering". There has to be a specification of some sort, to be able to a) decide if its absence opens liability to a fine, and b) to decide if its presence eliminates that liability. Would wearing a drawing of a mask be OK? How about an imaginary mask? Dave's NBC job would undoubtedly be OK (the picture came from Amazon Dave, where they're on sale.) but at the moment the requirement is about as clear as asking someone to go out and buy "some wood".

The requirement is: "Under the new regulations laid today, members of the public will need to wear face coverings – for example, a fabric covering, scarf or bandana – that covers the nose and mouth………….."
It goes on "Face coverings will not be mandatory for:
•anyone under the age of 11
•those with disabilities or certain health conditions, such as respiratory or cognitive impairments that make it difficult for them to wear a face covering...…………."
And adds: "There is evidence to suggest that, when used correctly, face coverings may reduce the likelihood of someone with the infection passing it on to others, particularly if they are asymptomatic." So, if it hasn't worked, whatever it was you weren't using it correctly!
So, in the case of "fabric covering", what fabric?
In the case of "scarf, or bandana", made of what, FGS? Or doesn't it matter so long as it "looks like"?
userjumpstart
Posted: 24 July 2020 3:36 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-24 1:09 PM

jumpstart - 2020-07-24 10:58 AM
1 Why do you think Hospital staff wearing PPE still died. It’s because they were exposed to so much virus.
2 The point of the masks we wear is just to limit the risk of us getting it ,not to stop it 100%.………………………..

1 Not really. It is basically because even the NHS issue clinical masks plus vizors did not adequately protect them from the virus.
2 Again not really. It has been accepted that the "mask" offers little to no protection to the wearer, and only limited protection for others if the wearer is infected.

But, for this to be true, we have to know what is meant by a "mask", or "face covering". There has to be a specification of some sort, to be able to a) decide if its absence opens liability to a fine, and b) to decide if its presence eliminates that liability. Would wearing a drawing of a mask be OK? How about an imaginary mask? Dave's NBC job would undoubtedly be OK (the picture came from Amazon Dave, where they're on sale.) but at the moment the requirement is about as clear as asking someone to go out and buy "some wood".

The requirement is: "Under the new regulations laid today, members of the public will need to wear face coverings – for example, a fabric covering, scarf or bandana – that covers the nose and mouth………….."
It goes on "Face coverings will not be mandatory for:
•anyone under the age of 11
•those with disabilities or certain health conditions, such as respiratory or cognitive impairments that make it difficult for them to wear a face covering...…………."
And adds: "There is evidence to suggest that, when used correctly, face coverings may reduce the likelihood of someone with the infection passing it on to others, particularly if they are asymptomatic." So, if it hasn't worked, whatever it was you weren't using it correctly!
So, in the case of "fabric covering", what fabric?
In the case of "scarf, or bandana", made of what, FGS? Or doesn't it matter so long as it "looks like"?


Not sure you are completely right Brian.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

According to the Center for Disease Control in America they say cloth masks are what they advise as it tends to limit the spread. It is effective both for those with cv19 and those who are clear.
The concept is risk reduction rather than illimination.
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Posted: 24 July 2020 5:34 PM
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jumpstart - 2020-07-24 10:58 AM
I noticed that whilst every customer was wearing a mask most of the staff were not ,in both stores.


I can understand that - seems to me staff are unlikely to go in if infected, but shoppers are.
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Posted: 25 July 2020 6:47 AM
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Birdbrain - 2020-07-20 7:59 PM

Riveting stuff fellas ... Almost turned the TV on

Post some Riveting stuff on the subject yourself then
You must be interested in Face Masks to click on a thread titled Face Masks
You haven't paid to read this, the forum content is provided free by the members, of which you are one.
So the forum content is as much your responsibility as anyone else's.
There is no better lesson than a good example.
So show us what you can do

Edited by John52 2020-07-25 6:50 AM
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Posted: 25 July 2020 7:09 AM
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John52 - 2020-07-25 6:47 AM

Birdbrain - 2020-07-20 7:59 PM

Riveting stuff fellas ... Almost turned the TV on

Post some Riveting stuff on the subject yourself then
You must be interested in Face Masks to click on a thread titled Face Masks
You haven't paid to read this, the forum content is provided free by the members, of which you are one.
So the forum content is as much your responsibility as anyone else's.
There is no better lesson than a good example.
So show us what you can do


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userBrian Kirby
Posted: 25 July 2020 3:25 PM
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jumpstart - 2020-07-24 3:36 PM………………………...
Not sure you are completely right Brian.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
According to the Center for Disease Control in America they say cloth masks are what they advise as it tends to limit the spread. It is effective both for those with cv19 and those who are clear.
The concept is risk reduction rather than illimination.

Good find, John, thanks. It's fairly dense, but your conclusion coincides with my own.

I followed the lead author (Jeremy P Howard) to the University of San Francisco, where he has further related papers published.

The problem with the American stuff is that suitable mask materials are suggested under trade names which are not present in UK.

He concludes that the principal benefit is to others rather than to the wearer, and that because masks will be of varying materials no performance criteria can be established, so risk reduction is the best that can be expected. It is also clear there is no "gold standard" design, just that anything is better than nothing, albeit the benefit may be small, and is likely to depend on the chance properties of what is available.
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Posted: 25 July 2020 9:19 PM
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I sort of feel something is better than nothing. Interestingly the only person I have got near to recently is my granddaughter who was going to preschool. . About 5 days ago I had a sore throat. Then blowing my nose a lot so first thought ...oh god ..is this it. No other symptoms. 3 days later all gone. But just shows how easy it is to pick something up even when trying to be careful.
userpelmetman
Posted: 26 July 2020 10:16 AM
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BTW why do you think NHS staff wear a MASK and a VISOR ........




It's because most of the people they get in close contact with, sometimes for long periods, are ILL, Dave.




So the people they were in close contact with for long periods before Chinky Flu weren't ill? ..........

Stop being obtuse Malc.......it dosen't suit you ..........

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Posted: 26 July 2020 10:16 AM
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Edited by pelmetman 2020-07-26 10:18 AM
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Posted: 26 July 2020 11:01 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-24 9:32 AM


BTW why do you think NHS staff wear a MASK and a VISOR ........




It's because most of the people they get in close contact with, sometimes for long periods, are ILL, Dave.




So the people they were in close contact with for long periods before Chinky Flu weren't ill? ..........

Stop being obtuse Malc.......it dosen't suit you ..........




You asked the question " what do you think " - and I told you what I think Dave.

That's not obtuse - that's helpful.


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Posted: 26 July 2020 11:02 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-26 10:16 AM

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Your best post so far
If only the others were as brief
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Posted: 26 July 2020 4:58 PM
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malc d - 2020-07-24 9:43 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-24 9:32 AM


BTW why do you think NHS staff wear a MASK and a VISOR ........




It's because most of the people they get in close contact with, sometimes for long periods, are ILL, Dave.




So the people they were in close contact with for long periods before Chinky Flu weren't ill? ..........

Stop being obtuse Malc.......it dosen't suit you ..........




You asked the question " what do you think " - and I told you what I think Dave.

That's not obtuse - that's helpful.




Nope........That's being naive ..........

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