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Posted: 27 January 2019 2:32 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?
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Posted: 27 January 2019 3:55 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Or maybe its got more to do with Merkel being in charge of those who dish out the bungs? ........

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Posted: 27 January 2019 4:24 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

UK automotive industry of the 70's has long gone and though many, no doubt yourself, will only blame the shop floor workforce, the management of that era was atrociously inept with zero skills in man-management and more concerned with keeping the shareholders happy at any cost. They bear responsibility for it's inevitable downfall but our bad attitude meant it was always easier to kick the guy on the shop floor than the guys in the boardroom.

We've also had long history of treating engineering with little importance and undervalued the people we have which is where Germany differs. Motivation is achieved in many ways, not least of all (obviously) with a decent level of pay in accordance with relevant skills/qualifications but that's only the start point. Working environment, well designed lines (if production), quality equipment suited to the job, and a management that listens and can actually lead by example rather than barking commands.

It's worth taking a look inside the Ford factory at Cologne where 1,400 cars leave the production line every single day. Interestingly a British guy is CEO there so man-management attitudes have finally changed.

https://www.channel4.com/news/hard-brexit-threat-to-british-motor-industry
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Posted: 27 January 2019 4:33 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

UK automotive industry of the 70's has long gone and though many, no doubt yourself, will only blame the shop floor workforce, the management of that era was atrociously inept with zero skills in man-management and more concerned with keeping the shareholders happy at any cost. They bear responsibility for it's inevitable downfall but our bad attitude meant it was always easier to kick the guy on the shop floor than the guys in the boardroom.



That's prolly why they started looking South for cheap Labour in the 70's .......

It was easier than dealing with UK Socialists .......

"The use of low-wage markets for the home market is nothing new for the European automotive industry. Through the liberalization in the 1970s and the entry into the European Economic Community (ECC), Spain and Portugal became the first important low-wage rentals for the European automotive industry. GM, Ford Renault, and PSA opened new plants there, while Volkswagen took control of the Spanish manufacturer Seat. The labor costs per hour in Spain were at around 50 percent of those of the level in Germany in the 1970s and 1980s (Pallares-Barbera, 1998: 350); in the meantime, however, the wage level in Spain has risen. In the early 1990s the Iberian Peninsula was superseded by Central Eastern Europe in its function as the low-wage periphery."

https://journals.openedition.org/regulation/10663

No doubt it was Brexits fault ? ...........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-27 4:34 PM
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Posted: 27 January 2019 5:24 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?

UK automotive industry of the 70's has long gone and though many, no doubt yourself, will only blame the shop floor workforce, the management of that era was atrociously inept with zero skills in man-management and more concerned with keeping the shareholders happy at any cost. They bear responsibility for it's inevitable downfall but our bad attitude meant it was always easier to kick the guy on the shop floor than the guys in the boardroom.



That's prolly why they started looking South for cheap Labour in the 70's .......

What a load of guff and what on earth does "prolly" mean? Did you ever get beyond nursery?

Meanwhile......look, listen and learn.

https://www.channel4.com/news/hard-brexit-threat-to-british-motor-industry
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Posted: 27 January 2019 5:25 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:33 PM...…………………..No doubt it was Brexits fault ? ...........

Probably not all Brexit's fault, Dave, but can you explain how it helps?

The evidence is that in a country which is legendary as a costly place to manufacture, in part due to our low productivity, our fluctuating currency value, the uncertainty over Brexit, its indeterminate timing, and its unknown aftermath, companies which need to making major new investments in the next few years are looking elsewhere. That is what we are seeing. For a number of companies, it has become a tipping point, for others a fig-leaf to excuse a politically embarrassing decision. It doesn't really matter which, it is the exodus itself that is damaging. Rats and the sinking ship?
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Posted: 27 January 2019 6:06 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:33 PM...…………………..No doubt it was Brexits fault ? ...........

Probably not all Brexit's fault, Dave, but can you explain how it helps?

The evidence is that in a country which is legendary as a costly place to manufacture, in part due to our low productivity, our fluctuating currency value, the uncertainty over Brexit, its indeterminate timing, and its unknown aftermath, companies which need to making major new investments in the next few years are looking elsewhere. That is what we are seeing. For a number of companies, it has become a tipping point, for others a fig-leaf to excuse a politically embarrassing decision. It doesn't really matter which, it is the exodus itself that is damaging. Rats and the sinking ship?


It helps by simplifying things............especially when a ship is sinking .........

When the Titanic was sinking, it wasn't just the women & children that got off......it was those with a natural sense of self preservation ..........

What's your fiddling like?.........Because there is a orchestra on the EU Titanic that needs you ........

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Posted: 27 January 2019 6:33 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-27 4:33 PM...…………………..No doubt it was Brexits fault ? ...........

Probably not all Brexit's fault, Dave, but can you explain how it helps?

The evidence is that in a country which is legendary as a costly place to manufacture, in part due to our low productivity, our fluctuating currency value, the uncertainty over Brexit, its indeterminate timing, and its unknown aftermath, companies which need to making major new investments in the next few years are looking elsewhere. That is what we are seeing. For a number of companies, it has become a tipping point, for others a fig-leaf to excuse a politically embarrassing decision. It doesn't really matter which, it is the exodus itself that is damaging. Rats and the sinking ship?


Why is it costly Brian? Is that down to the working man? Does the working man equip his company with the best equipment or is that down to Owners and Management? Are you saying that British workers are lazy?

Why aren't you pointing the finger at successive Governments? Why aren't you blaming Companies who are (to use your words) legendary at their lack of investment?

I have worked in Engineering and that work took me to most European countries plus others worldwide. The average British worker holds up very well against his German counterpart and other Europeans.
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Posted: 27 January 2019 6:57 PM
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teflon2 - 2019-01-26 5:49 PM.................If the EU is so good why is Dyson not building his electric car there ?

Well, and more to the point, if post-Brexit Britain is to be as rosy as Dyson says it will be, why doesn't he keep his HQ here, and bring back his production as well?




But Brian you keep saying that Ford are leaving because of Brexit in which case would they not relocate in a EU country instead of moving half way round the world.
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Posted: 27 January 2019 7:23 PM
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teflon2 - 2019-01-26 5:49 PM.................If the EU is so good why is Dyson not building his electric car there ?

Well, and more to the point, if post-Brexit Britain is to be as rosy as Dyson says it will be, why doesn't he keep his HQ here, and bring back his production as well?


But Brian you keep saying that Ford are leaving because of Brexit in which case would they not relocate in a EU country instead of moving half way round the world.

Reason Dyson is building in Singapore is they signed FTA's with the EU and Dyson wants access to the EU market. He already has an assembly plant there anyway as well as Malaysia and Philippines.

Dyson CEO Jim Rowan said that the decision of where to make the electric vehicle was based on supply chains and access to markets.
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Posted: 27 January 2019 7:41 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

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Posted: 27 January 2019 9:01 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.
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Posted: 27 January 2019 9:14 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.


Could it be that the EU is looking after their boss?........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/eu-production

It's curious that the low productivity German car industry appears to being protected ..........

Whilst the high productivity UK car industry is being moved to low wage economies? ..........

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Posted: 27 January 2019 9:40 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.


Could it be that the EU is looking after their boss?........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/eu-production

It's curious that the low productivity German car industry appears to being protected ..........

Whilst the high productivity UK car industry is being moved to low wage economies? ..........

You've been spending too much time with your head buried in Alex Jones website and trawling Icke forums.
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Posted: 27 January 2019 9:42 PM
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.


Higher standards? ..........
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

Lexus NX SUV. ...
Kia Sorento SUV. ...
Toyota Prius hatchback. ...
Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...
Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...
Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...
Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...
Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

Lets play spot the German maker? ........



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Posted: 27 January 2019 10:14 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.


Higher standards? ..........
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

Lexus NX SUV. ...
Kia Sorento SUV. ...
Toyota Prius hatchback. ...
Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...
Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...
Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...
Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...
Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

Lets play spot the German maker? ........

No problem.....

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018
2018 Audi A4.
2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...
2018 BMW 2 Series. ...
2018 BMW 3 Series. ...
2018 BMW 5 Series. ...
2018 BMW 7 Series. ...
2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...
2018 Porsche 911.

Edited by Bulletguy 2019-01-27 10:16 PM
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Posted: 27 January 2019 10:22 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.


Higher standards? ..........
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

Lexus NX SUV. ...
Kia Sorento SUV. ...
Toyota Prius hatchback. ...
Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...
Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...
Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...
Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...
Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

Lets play spot the German maker? ........

No problem.....

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018
2018 Audi A4.
2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...
2018 BMW 2 Series. ...
2018 BMW 3 Series. ...
2018 BMW 5 Series. ...
2018 BMW 7 Series. ...
2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...
2018 Porsche 911.


Nice try Dumb Dumb.........So where did they come when compared to other makes??? .........

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Posted: 27 January 2019 10:43 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-27 2:32 PM

Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.


Higher standards? ..........
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

Lexus NX SUV. ...
Kia Sorento SUV. ...
Toyota Prius hatchback. ...
Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...
Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...
Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...
Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...
Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

Lets play spot the German maker? ........

No problem.....

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018
2018 Audi A4.
2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...
2018 BMW 2 Series. ...
2018 BMW 3 Series. ...
2018 BMW 5 Series. ...
2018 BMW 7 Series. ...
2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...
2018 Porsche 911.


Nice try Dumb Dumb.........So where did they come when compared to other makes??? .........

Didn't need any trying......Planker. No comparison when it comes to reliability either. Why else are Mercs the first choice of most German taxi drivers? Capable of crazy mileage. Not surprised at the Audi A4 either as my son has one which he bought with 25 or 30k on the clock and now has 185k yet still looks and performs like new. His wifes is a 2018 model but i'd prefer my sons older one as her Audi has the daft start/stop on which i find a nuisance to drive.
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Posted: 28 January 2019 10:06 AM
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.


Higher standards? ..........
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

Lexus NX SUV. ...
Kia Sorento SUV. ...
Toyota Prius hatchback. ...
Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...
Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...
Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...
Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...
Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

Lets play spot the German maker? ........

No problem.....

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018
2018 Audi A4.
2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...
2018 BMW 2 Series. ...
2018 BMW 3 Series. ...
2018 BMW 5 Series. ...
2018 BMW 7 Series. ...
2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...
2018 Porsche 911.


Nice try Dumb Dumb.........So where did they come when compared to other makes??? .........

Didn't need any trying......Planker. No comparison when it comes to reliability either. Why else are Mercs the first choice of most German taxi drivers? Capable of crazy mileage. Not surprised at the Audi A4 either as my son has one which he bought with 25 or 30k on the clock and now has 185k yet still looks and performs like new. His wifes is a 2018 model but i'd prefer my sons older one as her Audi has the daft start/stop on which i find a nuisance to drive.


Next time you see a AA repairman ask him what make of vehicle they get called out to the most .......

I'll give you a clue it starts with a B and ends in a W ........

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Posted: 28 January 2019 12:30 PM
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Next time you see a AA repairman ask him what make of vehicle they get called out to the most .......

I'll give you a clue it starts with a B and ends in a W ........

You suggested this before so i did, and he told me whoever told you that is talking out of his backside. When i mentioned your fm name and dwelling 'abode' he said he'd lost count of the times he's seen that old wreck on the side of the road with bonnet up and a bloke gazing in astonishment an engine is still there.
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Maybe it has more to do with motivation and German workers not taking sickies when they feel like it and producing a higher standard of workmanship?


Maybe that's another EU myth Rich .........

https://www.acea.be/statistics/tag/category/per-capita-production

Ooooer Mrs ........UK workers are more productive than the Germans ........

Higher production doesn't necessarily equate to higher standards though....which German auto workers have long been known for.


Higher standards? ..........
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended/most-reliable-cars

Lexus NX SUV. ...
Kia Sorento SUV. ...
Toyota Prius hatchback. ...
Mazda MX-5 roadster. ...
Peugeot 3008 SUV. ...
Honda CR-V SUV (2012-2018) ...
Mazda CX-5 SUV. ...
Toyota Verso MPV (2013-2018)

Lets play spot the German maker? ........

No problem.....

10 Most Reliable German Cars 2018
2018 Audi A4.
2018 Audi A4 allroad. ...
2018 BMW 2 Series. ...
2018 BMW 3 Series. ...
2018 BMW 5 Series. ...
2018 BMW 7 Series. ...
2018 Mercedes-Benz E-Class. ...
2018 Porsche 911.


Nice try Dumb Dumb.........So where did they come when compared to other makes??? .........

Didn't need any trying......Planker. No comparison when it comes to reliability either. Why else are Mercs the first choice of most German taxi drivers? Capable of crazy mileage. Not surprised at the Audi A4 either as my son has one which he bought with 25 or 30k on the clock and now has 185k yet still looks and performs like new. His wifes is a 2018 model but i'd prefer my sons older one as her Audi has the daft start/stop on which i find a nuisance to drive.




The clue might be in German Merc. German taxi driver.
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Posted: 28 January 2019 6:53 PM
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The clue might be in German Merc. German taxi driver.

Surprised to find it's also the favoured choice for Albanian taxi drivers as roads there can go from smooth tarmac to rough with frequency.....though not the later models. They go for the old E Class which had stronger suspension than later ones.
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The clue might be in German Merc. German taxi driver.

Surprised to find it's also the favoured choice for Albanian taxi drivers as roads there can go from smooth tarmac to rough with frequency.....though not the later models. They go for the old E Class which had stronger suspension than later ones.


There is a strong trade in stolen Mercs ending up in Eastern Europe. It's part of the charm of having no EU Borders. The days are long gone when they were stolen, moved to Spain and then shipped to North Africa for onward movement South. I knew a Belgian guy who made Pies in Salou during the Summer and smuggled cars South during the Winter.
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The clue might be in German Merc. German taxi driver.

Surprised to find it's also the favoured choice for Albanian taxi drivers as roads there can go from smooth tarmac to rough with frequency.....though not the later models. They go for the old E Class which had stronger suspension than later ones.


There is a strong trade in stolen Mercs ending up in Eastern Europe. It's part of the charm of having no EU Borders. The days are long gone when they were stolen, moved to Spain and then shipped to North Africa for onward movement South. I knew a Belgian guy who made Pies in Salou during the Summer and smuggled cars South during the Winter.

Bulgaria and Romania but neither are Schengen so got to pass through border controls, both of which are strict and slow. Albania of course isn't EU or Schengen and their border officers don't pussy around. Any vehicle is fair game to be pulled, particularly foreign reg motorhomes, though they're looking for drugs more than anything.

Forget Eastern Europe. There's a cracking trade in stolen cars right here in UK. High end stuff, Range Rovers, Audi Q7's, BMW X5's etc......all headed for Uganda because they drive same side as us so RHD vehicles. Most are fitted with Trackers so how are they going?

This lot was found purely by police being patient and not jumping (saw the documentary on it). A Lexus fitted with a Tracker got nicked in London, so police sat tight and watched it's every move. Down at Dover within an hour of it being nicked, then across the channel, next signal they picked up was at Antwerp after which it was on a ship and eventually ended up in Uganda.

UK police contacted Ugandan police with the exact gps location of the car. They got back to them and said, "you'd best send some officers over here asap as there's a lot more than just one". The Ugandan police nabbed the whole gang along with over a million quids worth of cars.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2016/03/23/stolen-uk-cars-recovered-from-uganda

Good old Interpol and Europol......might be ok with Interpol but looks like Brexiters want to wave Europol goodbye....oh dear.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-security-eu-europol-cooperation-data-sis-ii-arrest-warrant-police-a8333011.html

https://fullfact.org/europe/brexit-membership-interpol/

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 Paul, This link describes where and more importantly why cars bound for the AU market are manufactured. This is to back up my comments on profit as the reason for car manufacturers moving from high labour cost countries such as UK and AU. Cheers,

.https://youtu.be/DNnX4MufOs8
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If you really believe the statement you made then you are thicker than I took you for.

Your quote: Bulgaria and Romania but neither are Schengen so got to pass through border controls, both of which are strict and slow. Albania of course isn't EU or Schengen and their border officers don't pussy around. Any vehicle is fair game to be pulled, particularly foreign reg motorhomes, though they're looking for drugs more than anything.

You owe me an apology because I ricked my back while rolling on the floor laughing.

Mind you, you are not as thick as the Government of the late 1980's and 90's who allowed in thousands of Albanians who turned up in the UK stating that they were Kosovans seeking asylum (all accepted without any ID to prove their nationality).
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747 - 2019-01-29 9:49 AM

If you really believe the statement you made then you are thicker than I took you for.

Your quote: Bulgaria and Romania but neither are Schengen so got to pass through border controls, both of which are strict and slow. Albania of course isn't EU or Schengen and their border officers don't pussy around. Any vehicle is fair game to be pulled, particularly foreign reg motorhomes, though they're looking for drugs more than anything.

You owe me an apology because I ricked my back while rolling on the floor laughing.

Mind you, you are not as thick as the Government of the late 1980's and 90's who allowed in thousands of Albanians who turned up in the UK stating that they were Kosovans seeking asylum (all accepted without any ID to prove their nationality).

Ok pedant.....as of six weeks ago or to be pedantic Dec 11th 2018 for BG and RO when the EP voted for them to join "as soon as is possible". I was in both countries seven month ago when neither were not Schengen.....otherwise i wouldn't have had to sit queuing in baking heat to get through.

As for Albania......let me know when it becomes a member state of EU and when it joins Schengen. So pick yourself up off the floor.

Edited by Bulletguy 2019-01-29 3:35 PM
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Geeco - 2019-01-29 5:45 AM

 Paul, This link describes where and more importantly why cars bound for the AU market are manufactured. This is to back up my comments on profit as the reason for car manufacturers moving from high labour cost countries such as UK and AU. Cheers,

.https://youtu.be/DNnX4MufOs8

Thanks for the link Gary.....will have a look later..
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-29 3:26 PM

747 - 2019-01-29 9:49 AM

If you really believe the statement you made then you are thicker than I took you for.

Your quote: Bulgaria and Romania but neither are Schengen so got to pass through border controls, both of which are strict and slow. Albania of course isn't EU or Schengen and their border officers don't pussy around. Any vehicle is fair game to be pulled, particularly foreign reg motorhomes, though they're looking for drugs more than anything.

You owe me an apology because I ricked my back while rolling on the floor laughing.

Mind you, you are not as thick as the Government of the late 1980's and 90's who allowed in thousands of Albanians who turned up in the UK stating that they were Kosovans seeking asylum (all accepted without any ID to prove their nationality).

Ok pedant.....as of six weeks ago or to be pedantic Dec 11th 2018 for BG and RO when the EP voted for them to join "as soon as is possible". I was in both countries seven month ago when neither were not Schengen.....otherwise i wouldn't have had to sit queuing in baking heat to get through.

As for Albania......let me know when it becomes a member state of EU and when it joins Schengen. So pick yourself up off the floor.


The reference to Albania was referring to stolen vehicles, not the EU members ..... as well you knew. Either that or you truly are the village idiot in your place of residence.

Wow, you went as far as Eastern Europe in a campervan .... you brave soul you.
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747 - 2019-01-29 5:07 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-29 3:26 PM

747 - 2019-01-29 9:49 AM

If you really believe the statement you made then you are thicker than I took you for.

Your quote: Bulgaria and Romania but neither are Schengen so got to pass through border controls, both of which are strict and slow. Albania of course isn't EU or Schengen and their border officers don't pussy around. Any vehicle is fair game to be pulled, particularly foreign reg motorhomes, though they're looking for drugs more than anything.

You owe me an apology because I ricked my back while rolling on the floor laughing.

Mind you, you are not as thick as the Government of the late 1980's and 90's who allowed in thousands of Albanians who turned up in the UK stating that they were Kosovans seeking asylum (all accepted without any ID to prove their nationality).

Ok pedant.....as of six weeks ago or to be pedantic Dec 11th 2018 for BG and RO when the EP voted for them to join "as soon as is possible". I was in both countries seven month ago when neither were not Schengen.....otherwise i wouldn't have had to sit queuing in baking heat to get through.

As for Albania......let me know when it becomes a member state of EU and when it joins Schengen. So pick yourself up off the floor.


The reference to Albania was referring to stolen vehicles, not the EU members ..... as well you knew. Either that or you truly are the village idiot in your place of residence.

Albania......stolen vehicle market? You having a laugh or what? There's way more money made in Mafia run drug trade than cars.

Wow, you went as far as Eastern Europe in a campervan .... you brave soul you.

Always have. Most of my touring is in East European countries. Why go to a country rammed with chip shops and Irish pubs serving roast beef and yorkshire pud when i can get that in UK?
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