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I begin to doubt that you do not understand what you are reading.

Or that you stop at the title.

 

Extracted from the link you indicated I read (in capital letters I highlight some concepts):

 

- Vaccine expert in the UK said Oxford's trial is NOW PRODUCING DATA from over-65s

- Sir Munir Pirmohamed, boss of the Commission on Human Medicines, TODAY said regulators had received EXTRA information from Oxford University and AstraZeneca scientists to prove their jab was safe and effective for over-65s.

- Scientists admit THERE IS a lack of data definitively proving the vaccine works for elderly people but the data they do have SUGGESTS it doesn't affect them any less than it does younger people, in whom it is proven to prevent Covid-19.

- Oxford and AstraZeneca chiefs said this week that they EXPECT DATA on effectiveness in over-65s - who were in the same study as other age groups but a couple of months behind - in the NEXT FEW WEEKS.

 

It's enough ?

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Unfortunately for you (and us) 25% of people in France , Germany and some other countries will refuse to have the vaccine anyway,so not sure it really matters if over 65's in the EU dont also have it. Looks like the EU wont be getting rid of the virus anytime soon.

 

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mtravel - 2021-02-06 10:26 AM

 

I begin to doubt that you do not understand what you are reading.

Or that you stop at the title.

He never gets beyond a header as the smaller writing is to complicated for him to understand hence the reason he's always shooting himself in the foot and making himself look stupid.

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jumpstart - 2021-02-06 1:36 PM

 

Unfortunately for you (and us) 25% of people in France , Germany and some other countries will refuse to have the vaccine anyway,so not sure it really matters if over 65's in the EU dont also have it. Looks like the EU wont be getting rid of the virus anytime soon.

UK also have a percentage of those reluctant to have the vaccine.......and we have by far the highest mortality in Europe 112,660.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/covid-vaccine-refuse-france-germany-us-quarter

 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-uk

 

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Most of the studies that studied different age groups only compared over 60s and over 65s to the rest of the study population – there is a world of difference between a healthy 60-year-old and a 90-year-old chockablock with comorbidities. 

And the number of older adults included in trials will be too small to draw firm conclusions.  Several European countries, including France and Germany, have said the AstraZeneca vaccine should not be given to the over 60s or 65s – this is because of a lack of evidence in this age group, rather than because they think the jab is ineffective. 

However, the real-world data from the UK, where those in their 70s, 80s, 90s and beyond have been vaccinated first, show the jab stops transmission and would suggest the AstraZeneca jab is effective in older age groups. 

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Bulletguy - 2021-02-06 2:38 PM

 

jumpstart - 2021-02-06 1:36 PM

 

Unfortunately for you (and us) 25% of people in France , Germany and some other countries will refuse to have the vaccine anyway,so not sure it really matters if over 65's in the EU dont also have it. Looks like the EU wont be getting rid of the virus anytime soon.

UK also have a percentage of those reluctant to have the vaccine.......and we have by far the highest mortality in Europe 112,660.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/covid-vaccine-refuse-france-germany-us-quarter

 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-uk

 

Yes the higher death rate does show up our poor diet, obesity, type 2 diabetes and heart condition in this country and it would seem Italy ,whose figures are not much different.

Coronavirus will likely be a wake up to everybody to exercise more and look after their immune system.

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It seems there is very little chance any country will be able to "get rid" of the virus. We move around too much and in the process will spread the virus with us. Complete elimination appears impossible unless a major breakthrough in vaccine technology is made. Until that happens, I think we are stuck with it, just as we are with flu.

 

Being a virus it will go on mutating so, as with flu, we are most likely to need annual injections for a substantial proportion of the population in perpetuity. Vaccinating as many as possible of the population will be our collective best defence against it, but it will persist in pockets around the world, where it will continue mutating to periodically develop a mutation which evades the then known vaccine formulations, leading to periodic outbreaks of varying severity.

 

Complete elimination, it seems, would require the entire population of the world, from infants up, to be vaccinated within a shorter timescale than it takes the virus produce a vaccine beating mutation. That is a very tall order! Now there's a cheering thought! :-|

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Brian Kirby - 2021-02-06 2:51 PM

 

It seems there is very little chance any country will be able to "get rid" of the virus. We move around too much and in the process will spread the virus with us. Complete elimination appears impossible unless a major breakthrough in vaccine technology is made. Until that happens, I think we are stuck with it, just as we are with flu.

 

Being a virus it will go on mutating so, as with flu, we are most likely to need annual injections for a substantial proportion of the population in perpetuity. Vaccinating as many as possible of the population will be our collective best defence against it, but it will persist in pockets around the world, where it will continue mutating to periodically develop a mutation which evades the then known vaccine formulations, leading to periodic outbreaks of varying severity.

 

Complete elimination, it seems, would require the entire population of the world, from infants up, to be vaccinated within a shorter timescale than it takes the virus produce a vaccine beating mutation. That is a very tall order! Now there's a cheering thought! :-|

 

You are quite right Brian it was my poor choice of words..

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Bulletguy - 2021-02-06 2:38 PM

 

jumpstart - 2021-02-06 1:36 PM

 

Unfortunately for you (and us) 25% of people in France , Germany and some other countries will refuse to have the vaccine anyway,so not sure it really matters if over 65's in the EU dont also have it. Looks like the EU wont be getting rid of the virus anytime soon.

UK also have a percentage of those reluctant to have the vaccine.......and we have by far the highest mortality in Europe 112,660.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/covid-vaccine-refuse-france-germany-us-quarter

 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-uk

 

"UK also have a percentage of those reluctant to have the vaccine"

 

You mean your Barmy BAME Chums are refusing to have the vaccine *-) .........

 

Please dont confuse those Muppets with us sensible Brits :-| .........

 

 

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pelmetman - 2021-02-06 6:15 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2021-02-06 2:38 PM

 

jumpstart - 2021-02-06 1:36 PM

 

Unfortunately for you (and us) 25% of people in France , Germany and some other countries will refuse to have the vaccine anyway,so not sure it really matters if over 65's in the EU dont also have it. Looks like the EU wont be getting rid of the virus anytime soon.

UK also have a percentage of those reluctant to have the vaccine.......and we have by far the highest mortality in Europe 112,660.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/covid-vaccine-refuse-france-germany-us-quarter

 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-uk

 

"UK also have a percentage of those reluctant to have the vaccine"

 

You mean your Barmy BAME Chums are refusing to have the vaccine *-) ........

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Both reports are very clear but there's too much writing for you. Stick to word bubbles in your Beano.

 

Please dont confuse those Muppets with us sensible Brits :-| .........

5,114 adults took part which explains why you were specifically excluded.

 

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Brian Kirby - 2021-02-06 2:51 PM

 

It seems there is very little chance any country will be able to "get rid" of the virus. We move around too much and in the process will spread the virus with us. Complete elimination appears impossible unless a major breakthrough in vaccine technology is made. Until that happens, I think we are stuck with it, just as we are with flu.

 

Being a virus it will go on mutating so, as with flu, we are most likely to need annual injections for a substantial proportion of the population in perpetuity. Vaccinating as many as possible of the population will be our collective best defence against it, but it will persist in pockets around the world, where it will continue mutating to periodically develop a mutation which evades the then known vaccine formulations, leading to periodic outbreaks of varying severity.

 

Complete elimination, it seems, would require the entire population of the world, from infants up, to be vaccinated within a shorter timescale than it takes the virus produce a vaccine beating mutation. That is a very tall order! Now there's a cheering thought! :-|

 

Very True

And even if you could produce such a vaccine there will always be people who refuse it.

I don't really understand their reasons.

But they include many front line medical professionals.

So I can't dismiss them all as 'Barmy Bame Chums' like the poster above.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/covid-vaccine-refuse-france-germany-us-quarter

 

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Lots of running around by AstraZeneca briefing on their vaccine 'possibly' being effective in over 65's, two days ago we heard from RSA that the vaccine is not very effective against the South African variant, only one UK paper seems to be reporting this and AstraZeneca seem to be very quiet about it.
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colin - 2021-02-06 10:23 PM

 

Lots of running around by AstraZeneca briefing on their vaccine 'possibly' being effective in over 65's, two days ago we heard from RSA that the vaccine is not very effective against the South African variant, only one UK paper seems to be reporting this and AstraZeneca seem to be very quiet about it.

 

Not really the FT were all over yesterday and Professor Sarah Gilbert from AZ/Oxford was on the Marr show this morning giving a very clear explanation. Its worth watching on iplayer if you didn't catch it not least for the novelty of seeing someone giving Marr a straight answer.

 

The biggest problem will be the way the tabloids will try to undermine the scientists.

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colin - 2021-02-06 10:23 PM

 

Lots of running around by AstraZeneca briefing on their vaccine 'possibly' being effective in over 65's, two days ago we heard from RSA that the vaccine is not very effective against the South African variant, only one UK paper seems to be reporting this and AstraZeneca seem to be very quiet about it.

 

Quiet? :-S .........

 

From the DM ;-) .........

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232411/Oxford-Covid-vaccine-effective-against-South-African-mutant-strain-claim-scientists.html

 

The important bit is........"Nobody died or was hopitalised during study by South Africa 's University of the Wiidiotersrand and Oxford"

 

B-) ..............

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pelmetman - 2021-02-07 9:59 AM

 

colin - 2021-02-06 10:23 PM

 

Lots of running around by AstraZeneca briefing on their vaccine 'possibly' being effective in over 65's, two days ago we heard from RSA that the vaccine is not very effective against the South African variant, only one UK paper seems to be reporting this and AstraZeneca seem to be very quiet about it.

 

Quiet? :-S .........

 

From the DM ;-) .........

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232411/Oxford-Covid-vaccine-effective-against-South-African-mutant-strain-claim-scientists.html

 

The important bit is........"Nobody died or was hopitalised during study by South Africa 's University of the Wiidiotersrand and Oxford"

 

B-) ..............

 

Yes they where remarkably quiet until last night when the FT published a story.

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