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All those deaths.

 

What a topsy turvy world we now live in. A "Mail" link. (lol)

 

Seems we had a government pandemic team but it was shut down so everyone could focus on Brexit.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416075/Boris-Johnson-scrapped-Cabinet-Ministers-pandemic-team-six-months-coronavirus-hit-Britain.html?fbclid=IwAR1fWZMl5tsJAZV7_0BCtISZYEkRjfBAIHlUXToX9EEu9kI385_zLV4XEv8

 

 

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Ah but the DM becomes a "lefty loser" paper run by "Remoaner" Geordie Grieg when it publishes articles that don't dance to the Brexiteers narrative. ;-)

 

Interestingly UK has been knocked down into third place on the world stats for Covid-19 deaths as Brazil hit over 41,000 to become the second worst with US well out in the lead. More than a coincidence all three countries led by populism.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-13/covid-19-death-toll-in-brazil-surpasses-uk/

 

A YouGov poll also shows how peoples perception of UK government handling of Covid-19 has plummeted.

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2020/03/17/perception-government-handling-covid-19

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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 12:53 PM

 

Ouch!! And from the DM!

 

 

 

But it quotes days after he entered No 10 and the virus was not admitted by the Chinese until February 2020, I don't think he ha a crystal ball so how the hell was he to know a pandemic was on the horizon ?.

 

 

 

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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 7:30 PM

 

So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?

 

We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories

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teflon2 - 2020-06-14 7:00 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 12:53 PM

 

Ouch!! And from the DM!

 

But it quotes days after he entered No 10 and the virus was not admitted by the Chinese until February 2020, I don't think he ha a crystal ball so how the hell was he to know a pandemic was on the horizon ?.

This timeline from the British Foreign Policy Group says December 31st 2019 at which point WHO declared it a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC).

 

https://bfpg.co.uk/2020/04/covid-19-timeline/

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/coronavirusandtheeffectsonukprices/2020-05-06#background

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Bulletguy - 2020-06-14 5:17 PM

 

Ah but the DM becomes a "lefty loser" paper run by "Remoaner" Geordie Grieg when it publishes articles that don't dance to the Brexiteers narrative. ;-)

 

Interestingly UK has been knocked down into third place on the world stats for Covid-19 deaths as Brazil hit over 41,000 to become the second worst with US well out in the lead. More than a coincidence all three countries led by populism.

 

 

 

What is the difference between populism and democracy? *-)

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Nicepix - 2020-06-14 8:24 PM

 

 

What is the difference between populism and democracy? *-)

 

 

According to the dictionary - democracy is a government chosen by the people - and populism is putting the interests of

the ' ordinary people ' before the interests of the elite in society.

 

 

:-|

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teflon2 - 2020-06-14 7:00 PM

 

Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 12:53 PM

 

Ouch!! And from the DM!

 

 

 

But it quotes days after he entered No 10 and the virus was not admitted by the Chinese until February 2020, I don't think he ha a crystal ball so how the hell was he to know a pandemic was on the horizon ?.

 

 

 

There were warnings a year ago about a coming Pandemic and of course operation Cygnus in 2016 showed clearly we were ill prepared. PPE stocks were depleted, millions of PPE went missing and the government still refuses to say where it went.

 

Disbanding an important Pandemic group to focus on Brexit was really unacceptable. When this all started to kick off and the world realised we were on the cusp of a Pandemic Johnson was focused on getting people to cough up for a Brexit Bong.

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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 7:30 PM

So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?

We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories

There is a significant difference between what is, and was, a foreseen risk (a pandemic) and an unforeseeable event elsewhere in the world (the killing of Floyd). Conflating the two is nonsensical.

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.. but then again testament to how effective BoJo's enforcer has been in keeping this hidden from us for so long

a whole department shifted from pandemic control to Brexit

Scared of Cummings having them sacked and frogmarched out if they let us know whats going on

No wonder BoJo is so keen to hang on to Dominic Cummings

BoJo doesn't do the nasty jobs himself

Is that because he hasn't got the stomach for it?

Or is it because he wants to preserve his jovial, avuncular image ?

 

(?)

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Barryd999 - 2020-06-14 11:47 AM

 

All those deaths.

 

What a topsy turvy world we now live in. A "Mail" link. (lol)

 

Seems we had a government pandemic team but it was shut down so everyone could focus on Brexit.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416075/Boris-Johnson-scrapped-Cabinet-Ministers-pandemic-team-six-months-coronavirus-hit-Britain.html?fbclid=IwAR1fWZMl5tsJAZV7_0BCtISZYEkRjfBAIHlUXToX9EEu9kI385_zLV4XEv8

 

 

What difference would it have made? :-| .........

 

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? ;-) .........

 

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu >:-) ........

 

 

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pelmetman - 2020-06-15 8:52 AM

 

What difference would it have made? :-| .........

 

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? ;-) .........

 

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu >:-) ........

 

Why are you trying to change the subject to another government.?

I suppose it has to be repeated that, irrespective of what others were doing, we had a pandemic team in place until BoJo's enforcer shut it down, changed it over to Brexit, and kept the whole thing from us for so long >:-)

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John52 - 2020-06-15 8:57 AM

 

pelmetman - 2020-06-15 8:52 AM

 

What difference would it have made? :-| .........

 

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? ;-) .........

 

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu >:-) ........

 

Why are you trying to change the subject to another government.?

I suppose it has to be repeated that, irrespective of what others were doing, we had a pandemic team in place until BoJo's enforcer shut it down, changed it over to Brexit, and kept the whole thing from us for so long >:-)

 

What's up HYPOCRITE?.......Dontcha like the fact that Scotland and Wales hasn't managed any better than England......and in some cases much worse ;-) ...........

 

Best not start a thread about care homes deaths 8-) .........

 

 

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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-15 8:35 AM

 

Birdbrain - 2020-06-14 7:44 PM

Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 7:30 PM

So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?

We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories

There is a significant difference between what is, and was, a foreseen risk (a pandemic) and an unforeseeable event elsewhere in the world (the killing of Floyd). Conflating the two is nonsensical.

 

I thought there would be a "significant difference" with an "event elsewhere in the world" (China Virus) resulting in a pandemic here which we have had before and another "event elsewhere in the world" (Mr Floyd) leading to race riots we also have had before ... Yup

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pelmetman - 2020-06-15 9:03 AM

 

John52 - 2020-06-15 8:57 AM

 

pelmetman - 2020-06-15 8:52 AM

 

What difference would it have made? :-| .........

 

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? ;-) .........

 

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu >:-) ........

 

Why are you trying to change the subject to another government.?

I suppose it has to be repeated that, irrespective of what others were doing, we had a pandemic team in place until BoJo's enforcer shut it down, changed it over to Brexit, and kept the whole thing from us for so long >:-)

 

What's up HYPOCRITE?.......Dontcha like the fact that Scotland and Wales hasn't managed any better than England......and in some cases much worse ;-) ...........

 

Best not start a thread about care homes deaths 8-) .........

 

 

Perhaps if the government had not kept the data and science to themselves and they continue to do so more informed decisions would have been made. Your whataboutery does not excuse the fact that an important department focusing on a pandemic that they were warned was coming was pulled in order to focus on Brexit.

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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-15 8:35 AM

Birdbrain - 2020-06-14 7:44 PM

Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 7:30 PM

So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?

We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories

There is a significant difference between what is, and was, a foreseen risk (a pandemic) and an unforeseeable event elsewhere in the world (the killing of Floyd). Conflating the two is nonsensical.

I thought there would be a "significant difference" with an "event elsewhere in the world" (China Virus) resulting in a pandemic here which we have had before and another "event elsewhere in the world" (Mr Floyd) leading to race riots we also have had before ... Yup

Are you seriously trying to argue that there is no difference between a pandemic, and the killing of Floyd? :-|

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pelmetman - 2020-06-15 8:52 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-06-14 11:47 AM

All those deaths.

What a topsy turvy world we now live in. A "Mail" link. (lol)

Seems we had a government pandemic team but it was shut down so everyone could focus on Brexit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416075/Boris-Johnson-scrapped-Cabinet-Ministers-pandemic-team-six-months-coronavirus-hit-Britain.html?fbclid=IwAR1fWZMl5tsJAZV7_0BCtISZYEkRjfBAIHlUXToX9EEu9kI385_zLV4XEv8

What difference would it have made? :-| .........

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? ;-) .........

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu >:-) ........

There is one government for the United Kingdom, at Westminster. NI, Scotland, and Wales are "devolved administrations", with powers limited by the Westminster government. What the UK government does, or does not, do, limits the scope of what the devolved administrations can do.

 

You're on a dodgy wicket with care homes, because of the "protective ring" Hancock claimed to have provided to protect them, but manifestly failed to implement. That is where the lives lost in care homes arose. Patients were discharged from hospitals into care homes without first being tested for Covid and confirmed Covid free.

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pelmetman - 2020-06-15 9:03 AM

 

John52 - 2020-06-15 8:57 AM

 

pelmetman - 2020-06-15 8:52 AM

 

What difference would it have made? :-| .........

 

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? ;-) .........

 

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu >:-) ........

 

Why are you trying to change the subject to another government.?

I suppose it has to be repeated that, irrespective of what others were doing, we had a pandemic team in place until BoJo's enforcer shut it down, changed it over to Brexit, and kept the whole thing from us for so long >:-)

 

What's up HYPOCRITE?.......Dontcha like the fact that Scotland and Wales hasn't managed any better than England......and in some cases much worse ;-) ...........

 

Best not start a thread about care homes deaths 8-) .........

 

 

Brian has since explained that to you.

But what I find most disturbing is not the reckless incompetence of the current Westminster 'government'

Its the fact they stopped us from finding out about it for so long.

Thats actually quite sinister >:-)

... and its got Cummings written all over it >:-)

... why else is BoJo unable to sack Cummings for what is so obviously a sackable offence? >:-)

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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-15 12:27 PM

 

 

You're on a dodgy wicket with care homes, because of the "protective ring" Hancock claimed to have provided to protect them, but manifestly failed to implement. That is where the lives lost in care homes arose. Patients were discharged from hospitals into care homes without first being tested for Covid and confirmed Covid free.

 

Indeed.

And the boss of a care home writing in the FT states the guidance he has received from the 'government' has changed 25 (sic) times this year 8-)

How can they even keep track of it - let alone have any faith in it :-(

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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-15 12:27 PM You're on a dodgy wicket with care homes, because of the "protective ring" Hancock claimed to have provided to protect them, but manifestly failed to implement. That is where the lives lost in care homes arose. Patients were discharged from hospitals into care homes without first being tested for Covid and confirmed Covid free.

 

Manifestly it is your opinion that Hancock failed to impliment something, but it is nevertheless merely your opinion.

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I have some relevant insider knowledge:

 

In the early days of the pandemic-to-be, Public Health England were getting their act together and a consultant former colleague of mine told me the advice they were issuing to hospitals was changing daily or more frequently and was ofte confusing or even contradictory. Fortunately it's got a lot better since then. It's extremely unlikely that any of this advice was being seen or approved by the politicians because it was being issued by PHE staff lower down the pyramid.

 

Hospitals were supposed to discharge patients into care homes only when they were known to be tested COVID-19 but this was interpreted as a test done at any time, eg on admission to hospital rather than a retest before discharge.

 

Even as recently as last week a patient was being discharged to a care home at which a relative is deputy manager was to receive a patient from hospital and when the Care Home asked for the patients current COVID-19 test status they were told it was "not the hospital policy" to re-test on discharge, which is clearly wrong. The Care Home demanded a retest result before admission, otherwise the admission would be refused - and the hospital then complied. (Retesting would delay the discharge by one day, which is presumbaly what the hospital was trying to avoid.)

 

It's not difficult to imagine why things the politicians set as targets or which they hope for will not be achieved in practice.

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It is, IMO, reasonable to expect that when a UK Secretary of State makes a statement that something has been done, it has, and that when they say it will be done, their writ will run.

 

There may be all sorts of reasons or excuses for why something did not happen here and there, but surely no-one in a hospital can still remain unaware that the intention is to discharge bed-blockers to care homes as appropriate, but not before the patient has been tested, and the test result is negative?

 

To plead ignorance of that intention is tantamount to constructive ignorance.

 

The claim that care homes were being protected dates back to March, when Hancock claimed that measures had been in place to shield them from the beginning. The number of deaths, and their growth over time, is surely sufficient to at least raise serious questions about that claim?

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