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userantony1969
Posted: 11 October 2018 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: Its Called Socialism
 


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Barryd999 - 2018-10-11 3:26 PM

antony1969 - 2018-10-11 12:14 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-11 10:10 AM

antony1969 - 2018-10-11 9:52 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-11 9:36 AM

antony1969 - 2018-10-11 6:14 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-10 10:59 PM

antony1969 - 2018-10-10 9:00 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-10 8:25 PM

antony1969 - 2018-10-10 7:13 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-10 6:44 PM

antony1969 - 2018-10-10 3:07 PM

But the Libs suit your stance perfectly yet you refuse to vote for them and would rather vote for an anti-Semite and someone who admires the disaster that is Venezuela ... and you say Brexit would be a disaster ... Your mad and a bit sad


Im not mad keen on them either plus they have absolutely no chance of getting in, ever. If Corbyn gets in because he promises a second referendum or because the Tories have pretty much fcked Brexit up then the blame lies at the feet of Brexit itself and those that voted for it. I Dont think Labour would make a better job of Brexit either as they are also divided. I dont give a toss if Corbyn is an anti semite (I actually dont believe he is) all I Care about and millions like me is stopping Brexit. Its ironic that you call me mad when clearly the only thing that its totally batsh1t crazy is Brexit itself.

Once its all over (if its ever all over) I would like to see a new party emerge from the ashes of both Labour, the Tories, lib dems and the greens. There are some good people in all four. This may actually be the catalyst that just might give such a party a chance. The current Tory party is doomed and Im not sure Labour as it is will survive either long term.



Yep ... Your mad ... You "don't give a toss if Corbyn is an anti-Semite" line has to be one of the worst comments on here we've ever had ... From you someone who's supposedly against racism I have to say I am utterly shocked


That isnt all I said though is it? I also said I dont think he is. Jeremy Corbyn may well be too far to the left for my liking but I Dont think he is a racist but the point is even if he was and I really couldnt stand him or his party I would still vote for him if he was the only option of getting Brexit stopped. Thats how desperate a situation it is. There are going to be racists of some level or other in every party, there are certainly plenty in the Tory party yet you support them so how do you square that one away. Then there is the UKIP lot many of which the Tories have inherited and if Arron banks gets his way he will flood the party with many more and they have certainly been riddled with racism.

So whoever you vote for your going to encounter racist members and politicians. Some of my friends are clearly "a bit racist". My Granddad was racist. So what? Not much I Can do about it. You just have to accept it and hope you can change their views or just accept them for what they are.


I think I get ya ... I just find it a little difficult to grasp someone who now says "so What" to those who are racist would insult Brexit voters with names like Alf Garnett types and so on and pick Dave Pelmet up on his supposed racism.not long ago


If your referring to the racist gybe the other day it was a joke FFS! Cant remember specifically referring to anyone on here as an Alf Garnett type either but please feel free to remind me of both accusations with relevant links.


Lordy im not Bullet i know a joke ... Your Alf Garnett and little Englander stuff were after Brexit as well you know


Well to be fair you only have to read the Brexpress and Daily Mail comments pages to discover that Alf Garnett and the Little Englanders are alive and (unfortunately) well. I doubt very much though that I accused anyone directly on here of being one or that I stated that all Brexiteers were but clearly some are of that

Of course they are alive and well as multiculturalism hasn't worked ... We don't live in harmony do we so obviously some will.harp back to days gone by ... You might think it has worked living in your whites only village and holidaying in your whites only locations ... Your not really in a position to knock anyone who might be a little Englander ... Oh I forgot you've a Muslim buddy you get p$ssed with and you used to work in London ... The business district of London


This country has always been multicultural though and who says it hasn't worked? Anyway we were referring to EU membership and Europeans are pretty much the same culture as us. All Brexit has managed to do so far is reduce immigration from the EU and increase it from outside of the EU where they are a different culture. Fail.


If you drove around Bradford , Leeds , Manchester , Huddersfield , Burnley etc etc etc then you'd see multiculturalism at work ... In your little world you don't see it ... You only know what you read in The Guardian ... Try talking to some folk who live in multicultural areas if they think it's worked ... I'm pretty sure I know what they'll say


Ive worked frequently in Leeds, Manchester and Bradford. I Spent half my life in Manchester for years. My biggest client was there from 2001 to 2008. I was 200 yards down the road in Cheetham Hill when some al-Qaida nut job thought to be developing Ricin stabbed to death a copper and injured several others in a raid in 2003. Its one of the s**ttiest and dodgiest places Ive ever had the misfortune to work but I never had an issues, staff were always great and we dealt with people of all sorts of cultures without issues but you didnt want to hang around after dark. Its been like that there for as long as I Can remember. Its nothing new. I doubt many people have seen or experienced as much of this country as I have over the past 30 years so I am aware of the world outside our cosy little Shire Village.

As I said though how will leaving the EU do anything to change the multicultural face of the UK your talking about? It will actually have the opposite effect, it already is. You have chased away white, Christian Europeans only to be replaced with those from cultures you seem to have an issue with.


Cultures I have a problem with ??? .... Barry I'm not the one with the problem it's those you defend ... I'm not anti-Semitic , a hater of gays , hater of women , want non-believers punished ... I ain't the one with the problem
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Posted: 11 October 2018 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Its Called Socialism
 


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antony1969 - 2018-10-11 4:55 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-11 3:26 PM

antony1969 - 2018-10-11 12:14 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-11 10:10 AM

antony1969 - 2018-10-11 9:52 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-11 9:36 AM

antony1969 - 2018-10-11 6:14 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-10 10:59 PM

antony1969 - 2018-10-10 9:00 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-10 8:25 PM

antony1969 - 2018-10-10 7:13 PM

Barryd999 - 2018-10-10 6:44 PM

antony1969 - 2018-10-10 3:07 PM

But the Libs suit your stance perfectly yet you refuse to vote for them and would rather vote for an anti-Semite and someone who admires the disaster that is Venezuela ... and you say Brexit would be a disaster ... Your mad and a bit sad


Im not mad keen on them either plus they have absolutely no chance of getting in, ever. If Corbyn gets in because he promises a second referendum or because the Tories have pretty much fcked Brexit up then the blame lies at the feet of Brexit itself and those that voted for it. I Dont think Labour would make a better job of Brexit either as they are also divided. I dont give a toss if Corbyn is an anti semite (I actually dont believe he is) all I Care about and millions like me is stopping Brexit. Its ironic that you call me mad when clearly the only thing that its totally batsh1t crazy is Brexit itself.

Once its all over (if its ever all over) I would like to see a new party emerge from the ashes of both Labour, the Tories, lib dems and the greens. There are some good people in all four. This may actually be the catalyst that just might give such a party a chance. The current Tory party is doomed and Im not sure Labour as it is will survive either long term.



Yep ... Your mad ... You "don't give a toss if Corbyn is an anti-Semite" line has to be one of the worst comments on here we've ever had ... From you someone who's supposedly against racism I have to say I am utterly shocked


That isnt all I said though is it? I also said I dont think he is. Jeremy Corbyn may well be too far to the left for my liking but I Dont think he is a racist but the point is even if he was and I really couldnt stand him or his party I would still vote for him if he was the only option of getting Brexit stopped. Thats how desperate a situation it is. There are going to be racists of some level or other in every party, there are certainly plenty in the Tory party yet you support them so how do you square that one away. Then there is the UKIP lot many of which the Tories have inherited and if Arron banks gets his way he will flood the party with many more and they have certainly been riddled with racism.

So whoever you vote for your going to encounter racist members and politicians. Some of my friends are clearly "a bit racist". My Granddad was racist. So what? Not much I Can do about it. You just have to accept it and hope you can change their views or just accept them for what they are.


I think I get ya ... I just find it a little difficult to grasp someone who now says "so What" to those who are racist would insult Brexit voters with names like Alf Garnett types and so on and pick Dave Pelmet up on his supposed racism.not long ago


If your referring to the racist gybe the other day it was a joke FFS! Cant remember specifically referring to anyone on here as an Alf Garnett type either but please feel free to remind me of both accusations with relevant links.


Lordy im not Bullet i know a joke ... Your Alf Garnett and little Englander stuff were after Brexit as well you know


Well to be fair you only have to read the Brexpress and Daily Mail comments pages to discover that Alf Garnett and the Little Englanders are alive and (unfortunately) well. I doubt very much though that I accused anyone directly on here of being one or that I stated that all Brexiteers were but clearly some are of that

Of course they are alive and well as multiculturalism hasn't worked ... We don't live in harmony do we so obviously some will.harp back to days gone by ... You might think it has worked living in your whites only village and holidaying in your whites only locations ... Your not really in a position to knock anyone who might be a little Englander ... Oh I forgot you've a Muslim buddy you get p$ssed with and you used to work in London ... The business district of London


This country has always been multicultural though and who says it hasn't worked? Anyway we were referring to EU membership and Europeans are pretty much the same culture as us. All Brexit has managed to do so far is reduce immigration from the EU and increase it from outside of the EU where they are a different culture. Fail.


If you drove around Bradford , Leeds , Manchester , Huddersfield , Burnley etc etc etc then you'd see multiculturalism at work ... In your little world you don't see it ... You only know what you read in The Guardian ... Try talking to some folk who live in multicultural areas if they think it's worked ... I'm pretty sure I know what they'll say


Ive worked frequently in Leeds, Manchester and Bradford. I Spent half my life in Manchester for years. My biggest client was there from 2001 to 2008. I was 200 yards down the road in Cheetham Hill when some al-Qaida nut job thought to be developing Ricin stabbed to death a copper and injured several others in a raid in 2003. Its one of the s**ttiest and dodgiest places Ive ever had the misfortune to work but I never had an issues, staff were always great and we dealt with people of all sorts of cultures without issues but you didnt want to hang around after dark. Its been like that there for as long as I Can remember. Its nothing new. I doubt many people have seen or experienced as much of this country as I have over the past 30 years so I am aware of the world outside our cosy little Shire Village.

As I said though how will leaving the EU do anything to change the multicultural face of the UK your talking about? It will actually have the opposite effect, it already is. You have chased away white, Christian Europeans only to be replaced with those from cultures you seem to have an issue with.


Cultures I have a problem with ??? .... Barry I'm not the one with the problem it's those you defend ... I'm not anti-Semitic , a hater of gays , hater of women , want non-believers punished ... I ain't the one with the problem


I wouldn't defend anyone that held such views Antony. Never have.
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Posted: 11 October 2018 6:13 PM
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Good ... Well I hope you don't condemn others like me or peoples hero Mr Robinson who talk openly about any sect that does hold those views
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Posted: 11 October 2018 8:09 PM
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antony1969 - 2018-10-11 6:13 PM

Good ... Well I hope you don't condemn others like me or peoples hero Mr Robinson who talk openly about any sect that does hold those views


Do you know what, I dont. Im all for free speech and will listen to anyone's views. What I wont accept though is generalisation or condemning an entire religion, sect, culture because a small minority hold views which to us in the west are abhorrent otherwise I agree with you. Ive said before I can understand why you feel the way you do after what you have told us about your local area but maybe your guilty of what you accuse me of, in your own bubble. Cheetham Hill which I know well in Manchester and mentioned earlier is full of all sorts of scum bags of all sorts of cultures / ethnic origins but so are many cities and towns but they dont all have the same issues in my experience. There are bell ends and crims everywhere but its across the board as far as white, black, Asian, Christian, Jews etc are concerned as to who are the bell ends.

Thats my observation anyhoo.
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