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Posted: 23 July 2020 8:55 AM
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On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.

Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts

Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.

Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.

I think he is on the skids. Good job.

Edited by Barryd999 2020-07-23 8:57 AM
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Posted: 23 July 2020 11:01 AM
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Yes but Thatcher didn't have Cummings to put the skids under any candidates for her job.
I can see why BoJo was so keen to hang on to Cummings at any price.
Keir Starmer trounces BoJo every week at PMQs.
But who listens to that when BoJo's media never reports on it
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Posted: 23 July 2020 11:19 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM

..I think he is on the skids. Good job.


Which one was he..?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+skids&&view=detail&mid=2F1D7AF52D7171A76D1C2F1D7AF52D7171A76D1C&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bskids%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

(Working for the Yankee dollar?......."chuckle"..)

Pity the B side wasn't "Working for the Ruskie rouble.."
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Posted: 23 July 2020 11:22 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM

On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.

Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts

Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.

Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.

I think he is on the skids. Good job.




42% for Johnson & Sunak. 26% for Starmer & Dodds . you should read all that you link.
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Posted: 23 July 2020 11:42 AM
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re: Rishi Sunak

During those Covid briefings/updates he was the only one who came over genuine and competent (with mininal, if any, time-filling waffle).
I don't pretend to understand the long term implications of the policies he has implemented,but he has certainly helped workers and businesses over the last few months..

Can you imagine if a Labour Government had shelled out money,and paid workers wages, in the same manner?...there would've been squeals of "Magic money trees"...and "bloody Socialists!!"
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pepe63 - 2020-07-23 11:42 AM

re: Rishi Sunak

During those Covid briefings/updates he was the only one who came over genuine and competent (with mininal, if any, time-filling waffle).
I don't pretend to understand the long term implications of the policies he has implemented,but he has certainly helped workers and businesses over the last few months..

Can you imagine if a Labour Government had shelled out money,and paid workers wages, in the same manner?...there would've been squeals of "Magic money trees"...and "bloody Socialists!!"



Agreed.

Rishi Sunak is the only one in government that I can listen to ( or watch ).

I wonder if he will eventually take over running the country from Dominic Cummings ?

Interesting times.

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Posted: 23 July 2020 12:10 PM
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Isn't he the prat that was prancing round Wagamana with no mask?
Casual dining sector was already in crisis before the plague.
Can't be viable now.
How much more money can we borrow to prop it up just so they can keep paying their rent to Tory landlords?
And how do we sort out the genuine claims from the fraudulent ones?

Edited by John52 2020-07-23 12:12 PM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM

On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.

Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts

Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.

Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.

I think he is on the skids. Good job.

It's all a bit sad, really.

Fundamentally it seems the Conservative party has lost its marbles. Their current membership is a little under 200,000, and they have elected as leaders, in succession, Cameron, May, and Johnson. Hardly an impressive role call. Their party membership is predominantly over 60, instinctively conservative (small c ), London and south east based, middle class, male, white, Telegraph and Mail reading. Therein lies the problem. They like things as they are, and prefer unsettling things not to be mentioned. They occupy a cosy illusion about the nature of the country, and aren't too comfortable with the misleading nature of that illusion being pointed out. One might almost say they are complacent.

All three recent leaders turned out to be shallow thinkers, more preoccupied with appearances than substance, with winning rather than what to do with the prize, and with a focus on the short term rather than on the longer term consequences of their actions. That suited the membership.

Our problem is that with our electoral system we need them, but we need them to be led by true statesmen, not passing opportunists. The same can be said for Labour and the Lib Dems. The other parties are largely preoccupied with single objectives and, as with UKIP, are pretty much destined to die if/when that objective is reached.

So, where have the statesmen all gone, or do I just have rose tinted memories of people who, having identified the national interest, set out to see it protected whether electorally popular or not, and to tell the electorate things they didn't want, but needed, to know?
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Posted: 23 July 2020 2:07 PM
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Posted: 23 July 2020 2:56 PM
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teflon2 - 2020-07-23 11:22 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM

On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.

Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts

Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.

Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.

I think he is on the skids. Good job.




42% for Johnson & Sunak. 26% for Starmer & Dodds . you should read all that you link.


LOL! So should you. That was on the economy only. Read the rest of the figures. There is a perception that Labour are bad for the economy plus right now Johnson and Sunak are spaffing money left right and centre from the magic money Forest they told us never existed. That wont last though. Their only hope is to avoid a no deal Brexit, another huge second wave of covid and a sh1t load of job losses and a massive blow to the economy yet they are heading for a perfect storm of all of those. I sincerely hope none of that materialises and they somehow steer clear of a no deal Brexit otherwise Johnson is toast, Cummings or not.

Edited by Barryd999 2020-07-23 2:56 PM
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Posted: 23 July 2020 3:01 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 1:04 PM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM

On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.

Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts

Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.

Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.

I think he is on the skids. Good job.

It's all a bit sad, really.

Fundamentally it seems the Conservative party has lost its marbles. Their current membership is a little under 200,000, and they have elected as leaders, in succession, Cameron, May, and Johnson. Hardly an impressive role call. Their party membership is predominantly over 60, instinctively conservative (small c ), London and south east based, middle class, male, white, Telegraph and Mail reading. Therein lies the problem. They like things as they are, and prefer unsettling things not to be mentioned. They occupy a cosy illusion about the nature of the country, and aren't too comfortable with the misleading nature of that illusion being pointed out. One might almost say they are complacent.

All three recent leaders turned out to be shallow thinkers, more preoccupied with appearances than substance, with winning rather than what to do with the prize, and with a focus on the short term rather than on the longer term consequences of their actions. That suited the membership.

Our problem is that with our electoral system we need them, but we need them to be led by true statesmen, not passing opportunists. The same can be said for Labour and the Lib Dems. The other parties are largely preoccupied with single objectives and, as with UKIP, are pretty much destined to die if/when that objective is reached.

So, where have the statesmen all gone, or do I just have rose tinted memories of people who, having identified the national interest, set out to see it protected whether electorally popular or not, and to tell the electorate things they didn't want, but needed, to know?


They sacked off all the true Statesmen. Johnsons Brother Joe was I thought quite statesman like, He left because his brother is an arsehole showman. Thats all populist leaders are but they never last. It all comes crumbling down eventually and that I think is what will happen to Johnson and the rest of the Populist pirates that have jumped on his bandwagon. I shall cherish that day when it happens.
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Snigger........another Loser Bitchfest ...........

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Posted: 23 July 2020 6:32 PM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 2:56 PM

teflon2 - 2020-07-23 11:22 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM

On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.

Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts

Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.

Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.

I think he is on the skids. Good job.




42% for Johnson & Sunak. 26% for Starmer & Dodds . you should read all that you link.


LOL! So should you. That was on the economy only. Read the rest of the figures. There is a perception that Labour are bad for the economy plus right now Johnson and Sunak are spaffing money left right and centre from the magic money Forest they told us never existed. That wont last though. Their only hope is to avoid a no deal Brexit, another huge second wave of covid and a sh1t load of job losses and a massive blow to the economy yet they are heading for a perfect storm of all of those. I sincerely hope none of that materialises and they somehow steer clear of a no deal Brexit otherwise Johnson is toast, Cummings or not.




As you have based your thread on two barefaced lies you really need to read what you post.

1 1/2 of all UK voters ?. Well the have not asked either my family or myself or my friends to vote or I suspect most of the rest of the UK voters.

2 The line reads on all counts and I have not been asked to comment on that either so another lie. Still what can one expect of media outlets that have no concept of truth and the people who follow them.
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teflon2 - 2020-07-23 6:32 PM...…………….
As you have based your thread on two barefaced lies you really need to read what you post.
1 1/2 of all UK voters ?. Well the have not asked either my family or myself or my friends to vote or I suspect most of the rest of the UK voters.
2 The line reads on all counts and I have not been asked to comment on that either so another lie. Still what can one expect of media outlets that have no concept of truth and the people who follow them.

That's a bit hyperbolic, John. The actual quote is "Half of UK voters say they have formed a more favourable view of the Labour party since Keir Starmer became its leader in April, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer." Where is the lie in that?

The poll results are included in the article as bar charts. The Starmer (red) bars are consistently longer than the Johnson (blue) bars. That is the evidence of Starmer's lead on all counts.

As stated, it is based on an Opinium poll. So it is hardly surprising you were not asked. Polls work from selected samples of people selected to represent the electorate as a whole. Few are, or are expected to be, 100% accurate. But that chart would need to be orders of magnitude out for Johnson to be in pole position at present!
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Posted: 24 July 2020 9:10 AM
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Well poll or no poll I guess we will find out soon enough. Lets face it, anyone who thinks Johnson has done a good job in the year he has been PM is in denial and needs urgent help.

Brexit. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come.

Covid. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come. Highest running total death rate in the world at one point

The Economy, it tatters with the worst yet to come.

Starmer just about every time in PMQ's shows Johnson up to be the incompetent buffoon he really is. Starmer really doesnt need to do much at all. So far he has played it brilliantly. Just keep feeding him his own rope.

Slowly Johnsons own back benchers are turning on him now.

I shouldnt make predictions apparently but it doesn't look good for Johnson long term. This is the problem you see with people like him who just feed you lie after lie after lie. It takes a while but eventually even those that are heavily invested in him will have to admit he is not fit to run a bath let alone a country.



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Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 9:10 AM

Well poll or no poll I guess we will find out soon enough. Lets face it, anyone who thinks Johnson has done a good job in the year he has been PM is in denial and needs urgent help.

Brexit. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come.

Covid. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come. Highest running total death rate in the world at one point

The Economy, it tatters with the worst yet to come.

Starmer just about every time in PMQ's shows Johnson up to be the incompetent buffoon he really is. Starmer really doesnt need to do much at all. So far he has played it brilliantly. Just keep feeding him his own rope.

Slowly Johnsons own back benchers are turning on him now.

I shouldnt make predictions apparently but it doesn't look good for Johnson long term. This is the problem you see with people like him who just feed you lie after lie after lie. It takes a while but eventually even those that are heavily invested in him will have to admit he is not fit to run a bath let alone a country.



Really? ..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Looks to me that Boris has consistently polled at or above the 43%/44% with which he won the election .........

Its the whimpy Liberals who keep flip flopping ...........
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 3:01 PM
Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 1:04 PM
Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM
On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.
Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts
Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.
Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.
I think he is on the skids. Good job.

It's all a bit sad, really.
Fundamentally it seems the Conservative party has lost its marbles. Their current membership is a little under 200,000, and they have elected as leaders, in succession, Cameron, May, and Johnson. Hardly an impressive role call. Their party membership is predominantly over 60, instinctively conservative (small c ), London and south east based, middle class, male, white, Telegraph and Mail reading. Therein lies the problem. They like things as they are, and prefer unsettling things not to be mentioned. They occupy a cosy illusion about the nature of the country, and aren't too comfortable with the misleading nature of that illusion being pointed out. One might almost say they are complacent.
All three recent leaders turned out to be shallow thinkers, more preoccupied with appearances than substance, with winning rather than what to do with the prize, and with a focus on the short term rather than on the longer term consequences of their actions. That suited the membership.
Our problem is that with our electoral system we need them, but we need them to be led by true statesmen, not passing opportunists. The same can be said for Labour and the Lib Dems. The other parties are largely preoccupied with single objectives and, as with UKIP, are pretty much destined to die if/when that objective is reached.
So, where have the statesmen all gone, or do I just have rose tinted memories of people who, having identified the national interest, set out to see it protected whether electorally popular or not, and to tell the electorate things they didn't want, but needed, to know?

They sacked off all the true Statesmen. Johnsons Brother Joe was I thought quite statesman like, He left because his brother is an arsehole showman. Thats all populist leaders are but they never last. It all comes crumbling down eventually and that I think is what will happen to Johnson and the rest of the Populist pirates that have jumped on his bandwagon. I shall cherish that day when it happens.

Yep, However, there is reportedly a group of Conservative party members who, when polled, said they thought Brexit so important that it had to be achieved even if it destroyed the party. So, with "loyal supporters" like that...…………………………??
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 3:01 PM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM
On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.
Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts
Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.
Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.
I think he is on the skids. Good job.

It's all a bit sad, really.
Fundamentally it seems the Conservative party has lost its marbles. Their current membership is a little under 200,000, and they have elected as leaders, in succession, Cameron, May, and Johnson. Hardly an impressive role call. Their party membership is predominantly over 60, instinctively conservative (small c ), London and south east based, middle class, male, white, Telegraph and Mail reading. Therein lies the problem. They like things as they are, and prefer unsettling things not to be mentioned. They occupy a cosy illusion about the nature of the country, and aren't too comfortable with the misleading nature of that illusion being pointed out. One might almost say they are complacent.
All three recent leaders turned out to be shallow thinkers, more preoccupied with appearances than substance, with winning rather than what to do with the prize, and with a focus on the short term rather than on the longer term consequences of their actions. That suited the membership.
Our problem is that with our electoral system we need them, but we need them to be led by true statesmen, not passing opportunists. The same can be said for Labour and the Lib Dems. The other parties are largely preoccupied with single objectives and, as with UKIP, are pretty much destined to die if/when that objective is reached.
So, where have the statesmen all gone, or do I just have rose tinted memories of people who, having identified the national interest, set out to see it protected whether electorally popular or not, and to tell the electorate things they didn't want, but needed, to know?

They sacked off all the true Statesmen. Johnsons Brother Joe was I thought quite statesman like, He left because his brother is an arsehole showman. Thats all populist leaders are but they never last. It all comes crumbling down eventually and that I think is what will happen to Johnson and the rest of the Populist pirates that have jumped on his bandwagon. I shall cherish that day when it happens.

Yep, However, there is reportedly a group of Conservative party members who, when polled, said they thought Brexit so important that it had to be achieved even if it destroyed the party. So, with "loyal supporters" like that...…………………………??


I think it does need destroying. Ill never vote for them in their current guise regardless of the fact that it would be unlikely anyway because of Brexit. I honestly cant see a future for the current Tory party unless Brexit and the next few years before the next election turn out to be a roaring success. I doubt if the truth be known even most of the hardened Brexiteers really believe that will happen. They would never admit that though, certainly not to the likes of us.

The country is no longer producing Brexiteers though. It managed to produce a lot of temporary Baby Tories though in the Labour heartlands but the trouble with that is they are expecting to be rewarded with the sunlit uplands which you and I both know are not coming to them, quite the opposite probably. So come the next election who will be voting Tory? Most of the Brexiteers will be dead or nearly dead and they wont have grown any new ones. The vast majority of voters my age and younger are remainers and now very anti Tory what is going to change their minds if it all goes tities up?

All Starmer has to do is what he is doing now, make sure there are no Corbynistas in his Shadow cabinet, wait for the Tories to hang themselves and fcuk up everything and he should be good for a victory. Wonder if he will put a referendum on joining the EU in the manifesto?
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 9:10 AM

Well poll or no poll I guess we will find out soon enough. Lets face it, anyone who thinks Johnson has done a good job in the year he has been PM is in denial and needs urgent help.

Brexit. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come.

Covid. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come. Highest running total death rate in the world at one point

The Economy, it tatters with the worst yet to come.

Starmer just about every time in PMQ's shows Johnson up to be the incompetent buffoon he really is. Starmer really doesnt need to do much at all. So far he has played it brilliantly. Just keep feeding him his own rope.

Slowly Johnsons own back benchers are turning on him now.

I shouldnt make predictions apparently but it doesn't look good for Johnson long term. This is the problem you see with people like him who just feed you lie after lie after lie. It takes a while but eventually even those that are heavily invested in him will have to admit he is not fit to run a bath let alone a country.



Really? ..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Looks to me that Boris has consistently polled at or above the 43%/44% with which he won the election .........

Its the whimpy Liberals who keep flip flopping ...........


I dunno why you keep posting that chart that shows how much the gap between Labour and The Tories has narrowed. I was posting about their leader anyway, Doris. His days are numbered. As I think are the Tories (see above) eventually but Doris wont last the Tories full term for sure I reckon.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 7:41 PM

teflon2 - 2020-07-23 6:32 PM...…………….
As you have based your thread on two barefaced lies you really need to read what you post.
1 1/2 of all UK voters ?. Well the have not asked either my family or myself or my friends to vote or I suspect most of the rest of the UK voters.
2 The line reads on all counts and I have not been asked to comment on that either so another lie. Still what can one expect of media outlets that have no concept of truth and the people who follow them.

That's a bit hyperbolic, John. The actual quote is "Half of UK voters say they have formed a more favourable view of the Labour party since Keir Starmer became its leader in April, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer." Where is the lie in that?

The poll results are included in the article as bar charts. The Starmer (red) bars are consistently longer than the Johnson (blue) bars. That is the evidence of Starmer's lead on all counts.

As stated, it is based on an Opinium poll. So it is hardly surprising you were not asked. Polls work from selected samples of people selected to represent the electorate as a whole. Few are, or are expected to be, 100% accurate. But that chart would need to be orders of magnitude out for Johnson to be in pole position at present!




The lie Brian is in the first four words of the quote the poll was only 2,002 not all people and no demographic was given I don't think that 2,002 people is a representative section of the UK population and to be quite honest if these polls were paid for by their accuracy most if not all would be bankrupt

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teflon2 - 2020-07-24 6:45 PM

Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 7:41 PM

teflon2 - 2020-07-23 6:32 PM...…………….
As you have based your thread on two barefaced lies you really need to read what you post.
1 1/2 of all UK voters ?. Well the have not asked either my family or myself or my friends to vote or I suspect most of the rest of the UK voters.
2 The line reads on all counts and I have not been asked to comment on that either so another lie. Still what can one expect of media outlets that have no concept of truth and the people who follow them.

That's a bit hyperbolic, John. The actual quote is "Half of UK voters say they have formed a more favourable view of the Labour party since Keir Starmer became its leader in April, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer." Where is the lie in that?

The poll results are included in the article as bar charts. The Starmer (red) bars are consistently longer than the Johnson (blue) bars. That is the evidence of Starmer's lead on all counts.

As stated, it is based on an Opinium poll. So it is hardly surprising you were not asked. Polls work from selected samples of people selected to represent the electorate as a whole. Few are, or are expected to be, 100% accurate. But that chart would need to be orders of magnitude out for Johnson to be in pole position at present!




The lie Brian is in the first four words of the quote the poll was only 2,002 not all people and no demographic was given I don't think that 2,002 people is a representative section of the UK population and to be quite honest if these polls were paid for by their accuracy most if not all would be bankrupt


That is a pretty average sample size for any poll. Polls are generally a lot more accurate these days as well. A poll is still a poll though and of course can be biased or have leading questions but IMO they tend to be less so these days otherwise they just get pulled to pieces straight away.
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Latest polls in Scotland are showing a majority in favour of independence, with more than 3 times as many Scots preferring Fishface to BoJo.
Looks like he will be sending us even more of your money to buy off the independence vote, and maintain his empire at your expense
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/23/boris-johnson-accused-of-politicising-covid-19-during-scotland-trip
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/23/why-stronger-than-ever-union-is-wishful-thinking-from-boris-johnson-scottish-independence
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 2:57 PM

pelmetman - 2020-07-24 9:19 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 9:10 AM

Well poll or no poll I guess we will find out soon enough. Lets face it, anyone who thinks Johnson has done a good job in the year he has been PM is in denial and needs urgent help.

Brexit. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come.

Covid. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come. Highest running total death rate in the world at one point

The Economy, it tatters with the worst yet to come.

Starmer just about every time in PMQ's shows Johnson up to be the incompetent buffoon he really is. Starmer really doesnt need to do much at all. So far he has played it brilliantly. Just keep feeding him his own rope.

Slowly Johnsons own back benchers are turning on him now.

I shouldnt make predictions apparently but it doesn't look good for Johnson long term. This is the problem you see with people like him who just feed you lie after lie after lie. It takes a while but eventually even those that are heavily invested in him will have to admit he is not fit to run a bath let alone a country.



Really? ..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Looks to me that Boris has consistently polled at or above the 43%/44% with which he won the election .........

Its the whimpy Liberals who keep flip flopping ...........


I dunno why you keep posting that chart that shows how much the gap between Labour and The Tories has narrowed. I was posting about their leader anyway, Doris. His days are numbered. As I think are the Tories (see above) eventually but Doris wont last the Tories full term for sure I reckon.


"but Doris wont last the full term for sure" ... I got a feeling thats guna be added to a very, very long list of bloopers from our resident political expert Barry ... Im guna go and chuck £100 on the opposite, its just about a nailed on guarantee to win
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 2:57 PM

pelmetman - 2020-07-24 9:19 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 9:10 AM

Well poll or no poll I guess we will find out soon enough. Lets face it, anyone who thinks Johnson has done a good job in the year he has been PM is in denial and needs urgent help.

Brexit. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come.

Covid. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come. Highest running total death rate in the world at one point

The Economy, it tatters with the worst yet to come.

Starmer just about every time in PMQ's shows Johnson up to be the incompetent buffoon he really is. Starmer really doesnt need to do much at all. So far he has played it brilliantly. Just keep feeding him his own rope.

Slowly Johnsons own back benchers are turning on him now.

I shouldnt make predictions apparently but it doesn't look good for Johnson long term. This is the problem you see with people like him who just feed you lie after lie after lie. It takes a while but eventually even those that are heavily invested in him will have to admit he is not fit to run a bath let alone a country.



Really? ..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Looks to me that Boris has consistently polled at or above the 43%/44% with which he won the election .........

Its the whimpy Liberals who keep flip flopping ...........


I dunno why you keep posting that chart that shows how much the gap between Labour and The Tories has narrowed. I was posting about their leader anyway, Doris. His days are numbered. As I think are the Tories (see above) eventually but Doris wont last the Tories full term for sure I reckon.


I post it to PROVE that those who voted Tory in December haven't changed their minds despite your lies ...........

The only folk that are flip flopping are the Loony Liberal Loser Brigade ..........

BTW........Have you made your mind up which LOSER ship to jump aboard yet? ........

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Posted: 25 July 2020 8:22 AM
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Birdbrain - 2020-07-25 7:18 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 2:57 PM

pelmetman - 2020-07-24 9:19 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 9:10 AM

Well poll or no poll I guess we will find out soon enough. Lets face it, anyone who thinks Johnson has done a good job in the year he has been PM is in denial and needs urgent help.

Brexit. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come.

Covid. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come. Highest running total death rate in the world at one point

The Economy, it tatters with the worst yet to come.

Starmer just about every time in PMQ's shows Johnson up to be the incompetent buffoon he really is. Starmer really doesnt need to do much at all. So far he has played it brilliantly. Just keep feeding him his own rope.

Slowly Johnsons own back benchers are turning on him now.

I shouldnt make predictions apparently but it doesn't look good for Johnson long term. This is the problem you see with people like him who just feed you lie after lie after lie. It takes a while but eventually even those that are heavily invested in him will have to admit he is not fit to run a bath let alone a country.



Really? ..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Looks to me that Boris has consistently polled at or above the 43%/44% with which he won the election .........

Its the whimpy Liberals who keep flip flopping ...........


I dunno why you keep posting that chart that shows how much the gap between Labour and The Tories has narrowed. I was posting about their leader anyway, Doris. His days are numbered. As I think are the Tories (see above) eventually but Doris wont last the Tories full term for sure I reckon.


"but Doris wont last the full term for sure" ... I got a feeling thats guna be added to a very, very long list of bloopers from our resident political expert Barry ... Im guna go and chuck £100 on the opposite, its just about a nailed on guarantee to win


How many times did 5 Belly's Barry tell us No Deal was dead? ..........

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BTW........Have you made your mind up which LOSER ship to jump aboard yet? ........



says the LOSER who is LOSING all the money BoJo is sending to me in Scotland to maintain HIS empire at YOUR expense
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pelmetman - 2020-07-25 8:20 AM


BTW........Have you made your mind up which LOSER ship to jump aboard yet? ........



says the LOSER who is LOSING all the money BoJo is sending to me in Scotland to maintain HIS empire at YOUR expense


Says the Sado Soul Seller who spends his filthy English Lucre mostly in England ........

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pelmetman - 2020-07-25 8:20 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 2:57 PM

pelmetman - 2020-07-24 9:19 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 9:10 AM

Well poll or no poll I guess we will find out soon enough. Lets face it, anyone who thinks Johnson has done a good job in the year he has been PM is in denial and needs urgent help.

Brexit. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come.

Covid. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come. Highest running total death rate in the world at one point

The Economy, it tatters with the worst yet to come.

Starmer just about every time in PMQ's shows Johnson up to be the incompetent buffoon he really is. Starmer really doesnt need to do much at all. So far he has played it brilliantly. Just keep feeding him his own rope.

Slowly Johnsons own back benchers are turning on him now.

I shouldnt make predictions apparently but it doesn't look good for Johnson long term. This is the problem you see with people like him who just feed you lie after lie after lie. It takes a while but eventually even those that are heavily invested in him will have to admit he is not fit to run a bath let alone a country.



Really? ..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Looks to me that Boris has consistently polled at or above the 43%/44% with which he won the election .........

Its the whimpy Liberals who keep flip flopping ...........


I dunno why you keep posting that chart that shows how much the gap between Labour and The Tories has narrowed. I was posting about their leader anyway, Doris. His days are numbered. As I think are the Tories (see above) eventually but Doris wont last the Tories full term for sure I reckon.


I post it to PROVE that those who voted Tory in December haven't changed their minds despite your lies ...........

The only folk that are flip flopping are the Loony Liberal Loser Brigade ..........

BTW........Have you made your mind up which LOSER ship to jump aboard yet? ........



Nope. The first priority is to get shot of Johnson. He is doing a good job of that on his own. Dont need to do anything. Look at how his popularity has already shot down and like I said the grumblings are starting from within his own party. His days are numbered. Unless of course as I say he pulls off some fantastic Brexit deal and everyone lives happily ever after and Covid free. Good luck with that.
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pelmetman - 2020-07-25 8:20 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 2:57 PM

pelmetman - 2020-07-24 9:19 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-24 9:10 AM

Well poll or no poll I guess we will find out soon enough. Lets face it, anyone who thinks Johnson has done a good job in the year he has been PM is in denial and needs urgent help.

Brexit. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come.

Covid. A complete train wreck with the worst still to come. Highest running total death rate in the world at one point

The Economy, it tatters with the worst yet to come.

Starmer just about every time in PMQ's shows Johnson up to be the incompetent buffoon he really is. Starmer really doesnt need to do much at all. So far he has played it brilliantly. Just keep feeding him his own rope.

Slowly Johnsons own back benchers are turning on him now.

I shouldnt make predictions apparently but it doesn't look good for Johnson long term. This is the problem you see with people like him who just feed you lie after lie after lie. It takes a while but eventually even those that are heavily invested in him will have to admit he is not fit to run a bath let alone a country.



Really? ..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Looks to me that Boris has consistently polled at or above the 43%/44% with which he won the election .........

Its the whimpy Liberals who keep flip flopping ...........


I dunno why you keep posting that chart that shows how much the gap between Labour and The Tories has narrowed. I was posting about their leader anyway, Doris. His days are numbered. As I think are the Tories (see above) eventually but Doris wont last the Tories full term for sure I reckon.


I post it to PROVE that those who voted Tory in December haven't changed their minds despite your lies ...........

It doesn't prove that at all.


The only folk that are flip flopping are the Loony Liberal Loser Brigade ..........

First your 'allegiance' was with "Sir" Nigel and UKIP, then the "Sainted" Theresa and the Tories, back to "Sir" Nigel with his paypal party, now it's Johnson, a bloke you didn't trust (is that why you haven't given him a title?). Looks like the one whose been doing all the flip-flopping is you.

BTW........Have you made your mind up which LOSER ship to jump aboard yet? ........

Not the one you're drowning on.
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