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userpelmetman
Posted: 26 July 2020 10:26 AM
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Bulletguy - 2020-07-25 6:16 PM
First your 'allegiance' was with "Sir" Nigel and UKIP, then the "Sainted" Theresa and the Tories, back to "Sir" Nigel with his paypal party, now it's Johnson, a bloke you didn't trust (is that why you haven't given him a title?). Looks like the one whose been doing all the flip-flopping is you.



Yep us Brexit Buccaneers have taken back control of the Tories from the Limp Liberals ........

Just as the Socialists are trying to wrestle the Labour party back from You Marxists ........

So best you get back to your swamp .........

userJohn52
Posted: 26 July 2020 11:01 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 1:04 PM

Barryd999 - 2020-07-23 8:55 AM

On R4 Today this morning reports that his own back benchers are running out of patience with him. Suddenly it seems the worm has turned and its now ok to be critical of the moron.

Then just take a look at this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/11/competent-likeable-decisive-keir-starmer-beating-boris-johnson-on-all-counts

Thatcher a believe won her last election with an even bigger majority than Johnson and she was two years from having to call a GE and had a majority of 100 plus, but started slipping badly in the polls when the Poll Tax started going sour. She was dragged out in weeks screaming while her loyal membership wept. All the ingredients are there now I think and without doubt the party is brutal, there will be no shortages of Brutus' ready with their knives taking great pleasure in doing the deed.

Johnson has a massive hill to climb to redeem himself. Not only does he have to get a grip on Coronavirus, the economy and Brexit. A lot of the new Tory MPs are very concerned. Those that were newly elected don't want a no deal. No deal was ruled out as a Brexit option because those new tory areas will be decimated by it.

I think he is on the skids. Good job.

It's all a bit sad, really.

Fundamentally it seems the Conservative party has lost its marbles. Their current membership is a little under 200,000, and they have elected as leaders, in succession, Cameron, May, and Johnson. Hardly an impressive role call. Their party membership is predominantly over 60, instinctively conservative (small c ), London and south east based, middle class, male, white, Telegraph and Mail reading. Therein lies the problem. They like things as they are, and prefer unsettling things not to be mentioned. They occupy a cosy illusion about the nature of the country, and aren't too comfortable with the misleading nature of that illusion being pointed out. One might almost say they are complacent.

All three recent leaders turned out to be shallow thinkers, more preoccupied with appearances than substance, with winning rather than what to do with the prize, and with a focus on the short term rather than on the longer term consequences of their actions. That suited the membership.

Our problem is that with our electoral system we need them, but we need them to be led by true statesmen, not passing opportunists. The same can be said for Labour and the Lib Dems. The other parties are largely preoccupied with single objectives and, as with UKIP, are pretty much destined to die if/when that objective is reached.

So, where have the statesmen all gone, or do I just have rose tinted memories of people who, having identified the national interest, set out to see it protected whether electorally popular or not, and to tell the electorate things they didn't want, but needed, to know?


Excellent summary.
I blame the UK media, mainly dominated by tax avoided billionaires,
or the BBC which is effectively under the thumb of the Government.
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Posted: 26 July 2020 11:57 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-26 10:26 AM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-25 6:16 PM
First your 'allegiance' was with "Sir" Nigel and UKIP, then the "Sainted" Theresa and the Tories, back to "Sir" Nigel with his paypal party, now it's Johnson, a bloke you didn't trust (is that why you haven't given him a title?). Looks like the one whose been doing all the flip-flopping is you.



Yep us Brexit Buccaneers have taken back control of the Tories from the Limp Liberals ........

Just as the Socialists are trying to wrestle the Labour party back from You Marxists ........

So best you get back to your swamp .........



Brexit Buccaneers!! FFS!

Some wee came out there!

I can think of several alternatives to "Buccaneers" but the forum sensor wont publish any of them.

userJohn52
Posted: 27 July 2020 2:04 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-23 1:04 PM
So, where have the statesmen all gone,


As I recall BoJo deselected what was left of them when they wouldn't follow his orders

I blame the media.
Their turning Jimmy Savile into a star shows how much power they have got
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Posted: 1 August 2020 8:55 PM
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pepe63 - 2020-07-23 11:42 AM

re: Rishi Sunak

During those Covid briefings/updates he was the only one who came over genuine and competent (with mininal, if any, time-filling waffle).
I don't pretend to understand the long term implications of the policies he has implemented,but he has certainly helped workers and businesses over the last few months..


Small business owner points out '
'The government’s decision to give businesses a £1,000 bonus for each member of furloughed staff they still have on their books in January only rewards the biggest players for keeping on staff that they would have brought back anyway.'
Reputable companies like Primark are refusing it

What she needs is for (Tory supporting) landlords to reduce their rents like they are in other countries
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/01/cafe-london-small-businesses-survive-covid-19
But Rishi Sunak has his fingers in his ears

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/01/cafe-london-small-businesses-survive-covid-19

Edited by John52 2020-08-01 8:57 PM
userpelmetman
Posted: 1 August 2020 9:06 PM
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John52 - 2020-08-01 8:55 PM

pepe63 - 2020-07-23 11:42 AM

re: Rishi Sunak

During those Covid briefings/updates he was the only one who came over genuine and competent (with mininal, if any, time-filling waffle).
I don't pretend to understand the long term implications of the policies he has implemented,but he has certainly helped workers and businesses over the last few months..


Small business owner points out '
'The government’s decision to give businesses a £1,000 bonus for each member of furloughed staff they still have on their books in January only rewards the biggest players for keeping on staff that they would have brought back anyway.'
Reputable companies like Primark are refusing it

What she needs is for (Tory supporting) landlords to reduce their rents like they are in other countries
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/01/cafe-london-small-businesses-survive-covid-19
But Rishi Sunak has his fingers in his ears

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/01/cafe-london-small-businesses-survive-covid-19


My brother did his first ever 100k of orders in a month.... last month .........

There's a lot of businesses doing very well from all those folk who have been paid to do nothing for months ...........

Which prolly explains why I'm struggling to get quotes for work ........



Edited by pelmetman 2020-08-01 9:16 PM
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