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usertwooks
Posted: 1 March 2007 5:54 PM
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just buy an apple and be done with it .. .. .. .. .. .. [one of these days I'll take my own advice ]

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Posted: 1 March 2007 6:41 PM
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net-traveller - 2007-03-01 2:40 PM

Warranty - not usually worth the paper it's written on. Check your yellow pages and see if there are any local PC Repairs or Data Recovery folk around. They will be able to sort out any of your problems and probably a good deal cheaper too.


Sorry, can't agree with this, we've got loads of PC repair places around but not a single laptop repairer at all, when ringing the PC repair places they say they'll have a look either for a price or for free, they then say it's not something they can sort so want to send it away at a great price with no guarantee of a fix. My hubby can build and repair PCs and can check all the basics on laptops, which he did on ours so you really do need someone who knows about laptops, not just some PC technician who doesn't know what to do with them.
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Posted: 2 March 2007 7:58 AM
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starspirit - 2007-02-28 7:36 PM 

<snip> do I really need an extra hd?

I have one, an 80G Passport drive, but the only reason I needed one is for my hobby - digital photography.  So I take my PC and external HDD when travelling, but not to do real work!!  Just to pursue my hobbies. 

userBrian Kirby
Posted: 2 March 2007 11:58 AM
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net-traveller - 2007-03-01 2:40 PM It seems a daunting task to buy IT kit but it isn't. It is useful to know a few things to check for so ....... Check that it comes with reload discs (CDs or DVDs). A post from Brian stated that Dell doesn't. I assume that this is because Dell builds to order and perhaps has a interest in relieving customers of a bit more cash as and when.

With apologies for the selective quote, but Sony also supply at least some of their laptops without the actual CDs.  I know this because we have one.  I think this has more to do with a percieved risk of all the CDs being passed around your friends than any concept of selective build.  However, the Sony has a nice feel, and a cracking wide screen that is pin sharp.

I'd quibble a bit about the joystick mouse though.  I used to use an IBM laptop with one, and found I liked it far more than the touch screen mouse. 

We also have a little Fujitsu Siemens laptop with a joystick, and I still prefer that to the Sony touch screen (we just use a USB optical mini-mouse with the Sony), so I think it's just a case of getting used to the feel of either. 

Re Fujitsu, My experience was that the support for our particular model was rather short lived.  Not sure if this is typical of their consumer type products but, just to be aware!

Since Vista has arrived, there must be quite a few XP based laptops going cheap, and XP seems to work well enough for most home purposes.  You won't need more than 512mb RAM either and, if the use is mainly a bit of spreadsheeting, word processing e-mail and web browsing, 256mb would probably do.  Chip speed?  Well they're all so much quicker than me, I don't think it really matters all that much - unless you want to edit high definition images of more than, say 12mb each.  Question is, would you really want do that on the average SVGA or even XGA laptop screen?  On the Sony, however, you just might!

Final point is size.  Small normally costs more, but it is easier to hide in a motorhome.  I think I'd be a bit inclined to look for something quite compact (and probably remaindered), running XP, and just go for the big discount.  Sony (sorry!) produced some real little beauties and there must be some still in stock somewhere at the right price! 

Maybe have a punt around Amazon and Laptop shop and see what you can find?



Edited by Brian Kirby 2007-03-02 11:59 AM
usertwooks
Posted: 2 March 2007 2:52 PM
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I'm currently using a Dell latitude - this has 2 mouses < > joystick and pad, the joystick grows on you with use and I now prefer it - the position of the pad is more comfortable tho and I still generally use the pad buttons because of their position.

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Posted: 2 March 2007 6:43 PM
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twooks - 2007-03-02 2:52 PM

I'm currently using a Dell latitude - this has 2 mouses < > joystick and pad, the joystick grows on you with use and I now prefer it - the position of the pad is more comfortable tho and I still generally use the pad buttons because of their position.

Sorry to pick you up on this Twooks, but as everyone knows, the plural for mice is "meeces"
userstarspirit
Posted: 2 March 2007 7:22 PM
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And I tort it twas mices?
userhowie
Posted: 2 March 2007 7:31 PM
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Your,e losing it Richard. Wrong cartoon. Off to the pub to drown my sorrows now.
userstarspirit
Posted: 2 March 2007 7:39 PM
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Waddya mean losing it?

'It' went years ago!

Enjoy drowning!
userDave Newell
Posted: 2 March 2007 8:22 PM
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twooks - 2007-03-01 5:54 PM

just buy an apple and be done with it .. .. .. .. .. .. [one of these days I'll take my own advice ]



I had an apple at lunchtime but it was too slow to load any internet pages and I couldn't get any pictures onto it. What kind of apple do you recomend Twooks, Bramley or Granny Smith?

D.
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Posted: 2 March 2007 10:59 PM
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Sony Viao brilliant machine nice clean screen ...fast good .
usertwooks
Posted: 4 March 2007 12:15 AM
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Dave Newell - 2007-03-02 8:22 PM

twooks - 2007-03-01 5:54 PM

just buy an apple and be done with it .. .. .. .. .. .. [one of these days I'll take my own advice ]



I had an apple at lunchtime but it was too slow to load any internet pages and I couldn't get any pictures onto it. What kind of apple do you recomend Twooks, Bramley or Granny Smith?

D.



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we have a local orchard - specialises in the 'traditional apples' of odd shapes and y'know what - they actually taste and smell of apple - diya think it might catch on one day??

userGJH
Posted: 4 March 2007 7:34 AM
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Dave Newell - 2007-03-02 8:22 PM
I had an apple at lunchtime but it was too slow to load any internet pages and I couldn't get any pictures onto it.

It wasn't because you were connected on GPRS via an Orange phone instead of using broadband was it?

Graham
userstarspirit
Posted: 4 March 2007 11:44 AM
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It was the core processor at fault - watch out Bloosom or it will give you the pip.
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Posted: 4 March 2007 1:11 PM
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Going back to laptops for a moment I've just been up town and see Woolworths have a Medion laptop for £399. Its got a 15.4" WXGA screen (widescreen) Intel mobile processor (sorry can't remember the number) 1024MB ram, built in WiFi and Windows Vista home.
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Posted: 4 March 2007 1:18 PM
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Rich,
pay an extra 100 and get a tosh you'll get a Sat a 100 .
Mind you you are payng fr the name but you gets what you pays for .
Buy cheep get cheep ?....Be careful as its money down the pan in the long run.
userGJH
Posted: 4 March 2007 1:38 PM
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Dave Newell - 2007-03-04 1:11 PM

Going back to laptops for a moment I've just been up town and see Woolworths have a Medion laptop for £399. Its got a 15.4" WXGA screen (widescreen) Intel mobile processor (sorry can't remember the number) 1024MB ram, built in WiFi and Windows Vista home.

Nothing wrong with Medion in principle. I looked at those the other week before buying my Acer. Four factors persuaded me to spend an extra 100 quid:
1. They only had 512 Mb RAM at the time, which I thought was a bit light.
2. The processor is a Celeron rather than the dual core Pentium in the Acer.
3. The hard drive is 80Gb rather than 120Gb in mine.
4. The Acer has Vista Home Premium rather than Basic.

Graham
usertwooks
Posted: 4 March 2007 1:42 PM
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so you've been conned by BG into Vista, Graham - what's your opinion??

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Posted: 4 March 2007 2:02 PM
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Not alots changed since windows 3.1 apart from he's still trying to get rid of DOS. All those Billions and his biggest problem is hiding DOS.

SAD................Greedy .....Wonder what he will do with it all .

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userGJH
Posted: 4 March 2007 2:13 PM
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twooks - 2007-03-04 1:42 PM

so you've been conned by BG into Vista, Graham - what's your opinion??


Having said I would wait a while, I had to get Vista because I decided that I had to get a new laptop. We mainly use the laptop when we go to family history fairs and it was getting to be too much hassle to mess about with an external hard drive linked to the 4 year old box on our travels.

I was a bit frustrated by Vista at first but that was mainly because the security on system files (even the likes of start-up menus) is switched on by default and it's a bit of a clart on getting round it. Once I had switched the desktop to Classic mode and found my way round all the security to set up the machine to my liking I found that Vista was quite comfortable to use.

I was impressed with the ease of linking to our wireless network - once I had altered the security settings on the network to allow the new laptop to connect it was all plain sailing.

I haven't tried all the software we use on the new machine but that isn't a priority as I usually use the desktop at home. I've put the essential stuff on and it seems to work OK.

Graham
userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 4 March 2007 2:32 PM
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I treated myself to a new PC a few weeks ago and went straight for Vista and it's been superb.

If there's one complaint it's that it can be a little bit nannying in that it has lots of features to stop inexperienced users from doing something silly.

For example, it has something called 'User Account Control' which asks for permission before doing anything out of the ordinary. I ran a registry cleaner that I use as part of my regular maintenance and it came up with about 300 obsolete registry key. On XP I told it to delete the lot and it did it.

Vista 'User Account Control' asked me again for every single key so I had to press the 'Enter' key 300 times to confirm each deletion!

Needless to say, this happened just once as I then turned off 'User Account Control' and it's been fine since.

Vista has been stable and a pleasure to use. The only warning is that it's a little resource hungry and should only be used on new, well-specified machines.

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Posted: 4 March 2007 2:39 PM
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Frank Wilkinson - 2007-03-04 2:32 PM

For example, it has something called 'User Account Control' which asks for permission before doing anything out of the ordinary. I ran a registry cleaner that I use as part of my regular maintenance and it came up with about 300 obsolete registry key. On XP I told it to delete the lot and it did it.

Vista 'User Account Control' asked me again for every single key so I had to press the 'Enter' key 300 times to confirm each deletion!

Needless to say, this happened just once as I then turned off 'User Account Control' and it's been fine since.


Thanks for that Frank - I'd forgotten that "feature" and that I hadn't got round to finding a way round it.

Frank Wilkinson - 2007-03-04 2:32 PM

The only warning is that it's a little resource hungry and should only be used on new, well-specified machines.


Very good point, always happens with new operating systems and one of the reasons I wanted 1024 Mb RAM rather than 512 Mb.

Graham
userMel B
Posted: 4 March 2007 6:36 PM
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Dave

I think the Woolies laptop at £399 (supposedly half price!) is a 1.4ghz, so pretty basic but probably okay for most people's needs.

Mel
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Posted: 4 March 2007 6:46 PM
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Yes Mel, I think it should suffice for most people's requirements. My Tosh is a 1.5 GHz Celeron and it does everything I need it to, including TV (digital and analogue) via a PCMCIA card and the facility to record programmes from the EPG. Unless you need a powerful processor for specific tasks such as high def picture or video editing then all its doing is using more power than necessary. www.ebuyer.com also have some good deals on laptops, especially if you search for windows XP, I found one with 1024MB ram, dual layer DVD writer 80GB HD, 15" screen for £420 with XP pro.

D.
userMel B
Posted: 4 March 2007 7:30 PM
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You may recall I said our laptop was up the creek? Sent it away to be looked at - motherboard has a fault ... d*mn-it! Some on posting on here have previously suggested it's not worth fixing and to go out and buy another but that's just daft and I haven't got that kind of money kicking around (not since we bought the camper!) plus it's got a really good spec and is just over 2.5 years old:

Toshiba Satellite Pro A60
2.8ghz Celeron processor
256ram on board
256 additional ram
40gb h/d
DVD rom/CD writer

To get this spec now would cost a fair amount of money as seeing as we only paid £230 for it originally so long as the fix isn't too excessive it's definitely worth getting sorted. I take loads of photos and write holiday logs, plus we use it for the sat nav software/mapping plus other bits and pieces so having a good laptop is quite important to me. The company are trying to source a cheap motherboard for me ... fingers crossed.

In the meantime I'll have to make do with a my 'spare' camper PC, which is a mini tower:

Hewlett Packard E-Vectra Desktop PC (really tiddly and will fit in an upper locker!)
P3 800mhz
20gb h/d
256mb ram
CD drive

A real cutie, just a shame it's only 800mhz ... but at least I've got a backup!

Keep your fingers crossed it doesn't cost the earth .....
usertwooks
Posted: 4 March 2007 7:43 PM
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Had to get a new motherboard for the PC recently [Evesham - have now replaced - processor, CD-Rom, CD-RW, fan [power & processor], graphics card, sound card, - all but the motherboard under engineer call out warranty - thank god!]. Anyway, back to the point, got an excellent deal and an upgrade to USB2.0. In theory laptop shouldn't be that much more difficult!
Can your OH handle it Mel??


userMel B
Posted: 4 March 2007 7:51 PM
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Twooks - I assume you mean my 'other half'?

My hubby is quite adept at fixing normal PCs and can sort just about anything that goes wrong with them but laptops are different beasties unless you know where all the screws ets are located as they ain't that easy to find and what to look at/for. He's managed to find some diagrams of how to strip out our laptop now so if the cost of repair comes back as too dear we'll just get the laptop sent back and get a second hand mothorboard off eBay or somewhere and he'll fit it himself as we'll have nothing to loose. Hopefully, the repairer will be able to source a cheap one so it'll save us the hassle.
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Posted: 4 March 2007 7:57 PM
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I once took one apart - a few years ago now - and came to the conclusion that you really needed 3 hands to do it, but I knew someone who was an absolute whiz - and he was a big guy with big hands!
That's partly where the comment about Apple came in, we took an apple 'apart' - they are so much easier to maintain, except you never have to

userFrank Wilkinson
Posted: 4 March 2007 8:02 PM
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Mel! You're one of the better spellers on this site and you cheer me up enormously when you don't put a totally superfluous apostrophe in CDs.

Nothing to loose! Go and stand in the corner!

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Posted: 4 March 2007 8:16 PM
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What CDs or even CD's or even CD,s

you loose character you

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