Birdbrain Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Strange ... Not a mention of Brexit to blame it on either ... https://www.wessexfm.com/news/world/2941852/leader-of-party-linked-to-new-ira-warns-more-violence-is-inevitable/ ... Not a single mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. So we allow them a referendum ;-) .........and then the Irish government can bung the DUP billions of euro's to keep them sweet >:-) ........... If not :-| ........they could always build a Trump esk wall around Dublin to keep out the UDA/UVF ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 6:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Not true. It stopped because they all signed the GFA! Terrorism has left Ireland as a result, there is no denying that. Someone posted the stats recently. The IRA loons are still there and still want a united Ireland but there is an uneasy peace that is teetering on kicking off again and as has been said time and time again Brexit will likely be the catalyst that leads to that. There may be new technology but as far as I Can tell it doesnt always work very well at preventing terrorism as we see all over the world on a regular basis. Maybe they have some special Unicorn technology eh? The same kind that they were going to use to create an invisible border. I guess we will find out soon enough eh the way things are going. What IRA friend? I can assure you I do not have an IRA friends but I do have lots of Irish Friends so your constant poking about fake concern is complete bollox and a bit sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:10 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 6:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Not true. It stopped because they all signed the GFA! Terrorism has left Ireland as a result, there is no denying that. Someone posted the stats recently. The IRA loons are still there and still want a united Ireland but there is an uneasy peace that is teetering on kicking off again and as has been said time and time again Brexit will likely be the catalyst that leads to that. There may be new technology but as far as I Can tell it doesnt always work very well at preventing terrorism as we see all over the world on a regular basis. Maybe they have some special Unicorn technology eh? The same kind that they were going to use to create an invisible border. I guess we will find out soon enough eh the way things are going. What IRA friend? I can assure you I do not have an IRA friends but I do have lots of Irish Friends so your constant poking about fake concern is complete bollox and a bit sad. I agree Barry......... you Losers are a bit sad :D ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:10 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 6:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Not true. It stopped because they all signed the GFA! Terrorism has left Ireland as a result, there is no denying that. Someone posted the stats recently. The IRA loons are still there and still want a united Ireland but there is an uneasy peace that is teetering on kicking off again and as has been said time and time again Brexit will likely be the catalyst that leads to that. There may be new technology but as far as I Can tell it doesnt always work very well at preventing terrorism as we see all over the world on a regular basis. Maybe they have some special Unicorn technology eh? The same kind that they were going to use to create an invisible border. I guess we will find out soon enough eh the way things are going. What IRA friend? I can assure you I do not have an IRA friends but I do have lots of Irish Friends so your constant poking about fake concern is complete bollox and a bit sad. "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... Are you a total loop ... You know nothing of the terrorist violence that has still gone on in NI since the ceasefire and thats why your concern is fake ... Its just a front for your bitter Brexit loss doomsday predictions just as your chlorinated chicken , medical shortages , starvation blah blah blah ... Maybe you want to have a word with relatives of the victims of terrorist violence since the ceasefires to see if "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... You still have shown nothing , absolute zilch to say why we are going to have a "war" on UK streets because of a border no one has any intention to enforce ??? I believe Ive asked about 5 or 6 times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 8:44 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:10 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 6:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Not true. It stopped because they all signed the GFA! Terrorism has left Ireland as a result, there is no denying that. Someone posted the stats recently. The IRA loons are still there and still want a united Ireland but there is an uneasy peace that is teetering on kicking off again and as has been said time and time again Brexit will likely be the catalyst that leads to that. There may be new technology but as far as I Can tell it doesnt always work very well at preventing terrorism as we see all over the world on a regular basis. Maybe they have some special Unicorn technology eh? The same kind that they were going to use to create an invisible border. I guess we will find out soon enough eh the way things are going. What IRA friend? I can assure you I do not have an IRA friends but I do have lots of Irish Friends so your constant poking about fake concern is complete bollox and a bit sad. "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... Are you a total loop ... You know nothing of the terrorist violence that has still gone on in NI since the ceasefire and thats why your concern is fake ... Its just a front for your bitter Brexit loss doomsday predictions just as your chlorinated chicken , medical shortages , starvation blah blah blah ... Maybe you want to have a word with relatives of the victims of terrorist violence since the ceasefires to see if "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... You still have shown nothing , absolute zilch to say why we are going to have a "war" on UK streets because of a border no one has any intention to enforce ??? I believe Ive asked about 5 or 6 times Most groups agreed to the ceasefire and the GFA apart from Dissident republicans who oppose the agreement. So yes some murders and violence has continued but you would have to be a complete moron to try and advocate that in general peace has not returned (in general) since the dark days before 1998. Without looking I think it was something like 3600 people killed in the Troubles before the GFA and many thousands injured and maimed. Since the "ceasefire" its about 150. I have shown you time and time again now why your bonkers project threatens that. Its a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 9:28 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 8:44 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:10 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 6:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Not true. It stopped because they all signed the GFA! Terrorism has left Ireland as a result, there is no denying that. Someone posted the stats recently. The IRA loons are still there and still want a united Ireland but there is an uneasy peace that is teetering on kicking off again and as has been said time and time again Brexit will likely be the catalyst that leads to that. There may be new technology but as far as I Can tell it doesnt always work very well at preventing terrorism as we see all over the world on a regular basis. Maybe they have some special Unicorn technology eh? The same kind that they were going to use to create an invisible border. I guess we will find out soon enough eh the way things are going. What IRA friend? I can assure you I do not have an IRA friends but I do have lots of Irish Friends so your constant poking about fake concern is complete bollox and a bit sad. "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... Are you a total loop ... You know nothing of the terrorist violence that has still gone on in NI since the ceasefire and thats why your concern is fake ... Its just a front for your bitter Brexit loss doomsday predictions just as your chlorinated chicken , medical shortages , starvation blah blah blah ... Maybe you want to have a word with relatives of the victims of terrorist violence since the ceasefires to see if "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... You still have shown nothing , absolute zilch to say why we are going to have a "war" on UK streets because of a border no one has any intention to enforce ??? I believe Ive asked about 5 or 6 times Most groups agreed to the ceasefire and the GFA apart from Dissident republicans who oppose the agreement. So yes some murders and violence has continued but you would have to be a complete moron to try and advocate that in general peace has not returned (in general) since the dark days before 1998. Without looking I think it was something like 3600 people killed in the Troubles before the GFA and many thousands injured and maimed. Since the "ceasefire" its about 150. I have shown you time and time again now why your bonkers project threatens that. Its a lost cause. You said "Terrorism has left Ireland" and it simply hasn't , it has reduced obviously but terrorism hasn't gone ... Do you know how many pipe bomb attacks have happened this year in Northern Ireland ??? How many terrorist knee cappings in Northern Ireland since the GFA ??? How many terrorist beatings happen in Northern Ireland ??? How much crime is committed in Northern Ireland by terrorist groups etc etc ??? ... Obviously you don't with your wild Hollywood claim and fake concern ... As for what youve shown me regarding what I asked you , you haven't shown anything but guff and "my bonkers project" doesnt threaten anything , if your looking for someone to blame look no further than our gutless politicians who've had 3 years to sort out the border issue though as I say I believe the border for you and many like you is just a fake concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 12:15 PM You said "Terrorism has left Ireland" and it simply hasn't , it has reduced obviously but terrorism hasn't gone ... Do you know how many pipe bomb attacks have happened this year in Northern Ireland ??? How many terrorist knee cappings in Northern Ireland since the GFA ??? How many terrorist beatings happen in Northern Ireland ??? How much crime is committed in Northern Ireland by terrorist groups etc etc ??? ... Obviously you don't with your wild Hollywood claim and fake concern ... As for what youve shown me regarding what I asked you , you haven't shown anything but guff and "my bonkers project" doesnt threaten anything , if your looking for someone to blame look no further than our gutless politicians who've had 3 years to sort out the border issue though as I say I believe the border for you and many like you is just a fake concern Think you are confusing terrorism with organised crime there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-08-29 4:23 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 12:15 PM You said "Terrorism has left Ireland" and it simply hasn't , it has reduced obviously but terrorism hasn't gone ... Do you know how many pipe bomb attacks have happened this year in Northern Ireland ??? How many terrorist knee cappings in Northern Ireland since the GFA ??? How many terrorist beatings happen in Northern Ireland ??? How much crime is committed in Northern Ireland by terrorist groups etc etc ??? ... Obviously you don't with your wild Hollywood claim and fake concern ... As for what youve shown me regarding what I asked you , you haven't shown anything but guff and "my bonkers project" doesnt threaten anything , if your looking for someone to blame look no further than our gutless politicians who've had 3 years to sort out the border issue though as I say I believe the border for you and many like you is just a fake concern Think you are confusing terrorism with organised crime there. So Jeremys friends include "organised crime" gangs as well as terrorists now ... Lordy My princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Terrorism and crime were always hand in hand. So who is throwing bombs at the police then...or is it just the lads out on a Fri night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-08-29 4:23 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 12:15 PM You said "Terrorism has left Ireland" and it simply hasn't , it has reduced obviously but terrorism hasn't gone ... Do you know how many pipe bomb attacks have happened this year in Northern Ireland ??? How many terrorist knee cappings in Northern Ireland since the GFA ??? How many terrorist beatings happen in Northern Ireland ??? How much crime is committed in Northern Ireland by terrorist groups etc etc ??? ... Obviously you don't with your wild Hollywood claim and fake concern ... As for what youve shown me regarding what I asked you , you haven't shown anything but guff and "my bonkers project" doesnt threaten anything , if your looking for someone to blame look no further than our gutless politicians who've had 3 years to sort out the border issue though as I say I believe the border for you and many like you is just a fake concern Think you are confusing terrorism with organised crime there. Turning into a bit of a joker are we? :D Someone as close as you to the bhoyos knows fine well that they make a comfortable living with their schemes and rackets. A lot of them have never done an honest days work in their lives. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-08-29 6:47 PM Terrorism and crime were always hand in hand. So who is throwing bombs at the police then...or is it just the lads out on a Fri night. PastFarts believes terrorism and activism are one and the same thing , both totally acceptable ... Specially given his leader suckers up to terrorists ... Most decent folk find it stomach churning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 12:15 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 9:28 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 8:44 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:10 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 6:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Not true. It stopped because they all signed the GFA! Terrorism has left Ireland as a result, there is no denying that. Someone posted the stats recently. The IRA loons are still there and still want a united Ireland but there is an uneasy peace that is teetering on kicking off again and as has been said time and time again Brexit will likely be the catalyst that leads to that. There may be new technology but as far as I Can tell it doesnt always work very well at preventing terrorism as we see all over the world on a regular basis. Maybe they have some special Unicorn technology eh? The same kind that they were going to use to create an invisible border. I guess we will find out soon enough eh the way things are going. What IRA friend? I can assure you I do not have an IRA friends but I do have lots of Irish Friends so your constant poking about fake concern is complete bollox and a bit sad. "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... Are you a total loop ... You know nothing of the terrorist violence that has still gone on in NI since the ceasefire and thats why your concern is fake ... Its just a front for your bitter Brexit loss doomsday predictions just as your chlorinated chicken , medical shortages , starvation blah blah blah ... Maybe you want to have a word with relatives of the victims of terrorist violence since the ceasefires to see if "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... You still have shown nothing , absolute zilch to say why we are going to have a "war" on UK streets because of a border no one has any intention to enforce ??? I believe Ive asked about 5 or 6 times Most groups agreed to the ceasefire and the GFA apart from Dissident republicans who oppose the agreement. So yes some murders and violence has continued but you would have to be a complete moron to try and advocate that in general peace has not returned (in general) since the dark days before 1998. Without looking I think it was something like 3600 people killed in the Troubles before the GFA and many thousands injured and maimed. Since the "ceasefire" its about 150. I have shown you time and time again now why your bonkers project threatens that. Its a lost cause. You said "Terrorism has left Ireland" and it simply hasn't , it has reduced obviously but terrorism hasn't gone ... Do you know how many pipe bomb attacks have happened this year in Northern Ireland ??? How many terrorist knee cappings in Northern Ireland since the GFA ??? How many terrorist beatings happen in Northern Ireland ??? How much crime is committed in Northern Ireland by terrorist groups etc etc ??? ... Obviously you don't with your wild Hollywood claim and fake concern ... As for what youve shown me regarding what I asked you , you haven't shown anything but guff and "my bonkers project" doesnt threaten anything , if your looking for someone to blame look no further than our gutless politicians who've had 3 years to sort out the border issue though as I say I believe the border for you and many like you is just a fake concern Terrorism on the scale it once was has, its nothing like it once was by a country mile. NI boomed as a result of that but now not only is the peace threatened but its going to severely effect their trade and economy as well which will just add fuel to the fire. Yes our politicians have had three years to sort out the border issue but as most of us said three years ago who had studied it in detail there is no way to solve it without single market and customs union membership. The backstop kind of solves it but apparently despite Boris voting for that he now says its undemocratic despite it being our idea. Once again it is not fake concern. I find you repeatedly stating that insulting regardless of the fact that I have explained to you my connections with Ireland and the fact that I have friends there. Everyone should be concerned whether you voted for Brexit or not. Bit of a cheap shot to assume Im only bothered because its a way to stop Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:40 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 12:15 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 9:28 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 8:44 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:10 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 6:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Not true. It stopped because they all signed the GFA! Terrorism has left Ireland as a result, there is no denying that. Someone posted the stats recently. The IRA loons are still there and still want a united Ireland but there is an uneasy peace that is teetering on kicking off again and as has been said time and time again Brexit will likely be the catalyst that leads to that. There may be new technology but as far as I Can tell it doesnt always work very well at preventing terrorism as we see all over the world on a regular basis. Maybe they have some special Unicorn technology eh? The same kind that they were going to use to create an invisible border. I guess we will find out soon enough eh the way things are going. What IRA friend? I can assure you I do not have an IRA friends but I do have lots of Irish Friends so your constant poking about fake concern is complete bollox and a bit sad. "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... Are you a total loop ... You know nothing of the terrorist violence that has still gone on in NI since the ceasefire and thats why your concern is fake ... Its just a front for your bitter Brexit loss doomsday predictions just as your chlorinated chicken , medical shortages , starvation blah blah blah ... Maybe you want to have a word with relatives of the victims of terrorist violence since the ceasefires to see if "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... You still have shown nothing , absolute zilch to say why we are going to have a "war" on UK streets because of a border no one has any intention to enforce ??? I believe Ive asked about 5 or 6 times Most groups agreed to the ceasefire and the GFA apart from Dissident republicans who oppose the agreement. So yes some murders and violence has continued but you would have to be a complete moron to try and advocate that in general peace has not returned (in general) since the dark days before 1998. Without looking I think it was something like 3600 people killed in the Troubles before the GFA and many thousands injured and maimed. Since the "ceasefire" its about 150. I have shown you time and time again now why your bonkers project threatens that. Its a lost cause. You said "Terrorism has left Ireland" and it simply hasn't , it has reduced obviously but terrorism hasn't gone ... Do you know how many pipe bomb attacks have happened this year in Northern Ireland ??? How many terrorist knee cappings in Northern Ireland since the GFA ??? How many terrorist beatings happen in Northern Ireland ??? How much crime is committed in Northern Ireland by terrorist groups etc etc ??? ... Obviously you don't with your wild Hollywood claim and fake concern ... As for what youve shown me regarding what I asked you , you haven't shown anything but guff and "my bonkers project" doesnt threaten anything , if your looking for someone to blame look no further than our gutless politicians who've had 3 years to sort out the border issue though as I say I believe the border for you and many like you is just a fake concern Terrorism on the scale it once was has, its nothing like it once was by a country mile. NI boomed as a result of that but now not only is the peace threatened but its going to severely effect their trade and economy as well which will just add fuel to the fire. Yes our politicians have had three years to sort out the border issue but as most of us said three years ago who had studied it in detail there is no way to solve it without single market and customs union membership. The backstop kind of solves it but apparently despite Boris voting for that he now says its undemocratic despite it being our idea. Once again it is not fake concern. I find you repeatedly stating that insulting regardless of the fact that I have explained to you my connections with Ireland and the fact that I have friends there. Everyone should be concerned whether you voted for Brexit or not. Bit of a cheap shot to assume Im only bothered because its a way to stop Brexit. Barry you have a history of cheap shots where Brexit is concerned so dont go playing the victim ... If you cant take it then dont throw stones ... You have called Brexit voters all sorts of stuff for simply having a different view to yours , from bigot and racists to being blamed for the return of war and deaths through food shortages ... Your concern for the border is totally fake and sickening and really is like youve said previously "you couldn't give a toss" about Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-08-30 6:32 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:40 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 12:15 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 9:28 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-29 8:44 AM Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:10 AM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 6:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 4:13 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 2:36 PM Birdbrain - 2019-08-28 12:02 PM Barryd999 - 2019-08-28 10:10 AM No, they wont mention Brexit but he did say this. ""It will always happen so long as the country is artificially divided and held by force of arms, people will always strike out against that occupation," he added." A return to a hard border and probably troops and armed police or even the British Army again will be the blue touch paper lit once again. The GFA will then be seen as null and void, broken and it will be game on for these morons. Remember its congress who decide on any deals in the US as well, not Trump and that will be the end of that if that happens. If we are leaving the EU we have to have a solution to retain the peace in northern Ireland and stick to our "legal" promises that there will be no hard border as a result of Brexit. Why wouldnt he mention Brexit , surely it would be in his interests and the rest of the morons to use it as a convenient excuse ??? ... As for the hard border that will not happen if all sides who've promised it wont keep the promise including that nasty UK Government ... As for what Pelosi says about Congress voting down any deal , why would that happen seriously ??? I know The Democrats are a party traditionally like our own Labour Party full of IRA apologists but they are in trouble and voting down a deal that would be good for America would put them further in trouble ... Get over your fake concern for the border and be concerned over fellas like the IRA scumbag who's given his vision for the future border or not I imagine some of them are looking forward to getting back in the terrorism game. Most people agree that without single market and customs union access or the backstop a hard border is inevitable. Then again they are experts who say that so they can just be discounted by the Brexit faithful I suppose. Nothing can stand in their way now. Not the break up of the UK, a return to Terrorism, a tanked economy, peoples lives trashed and of course lives lost. Fake concern? low blow. Back to your "experts" are we , some of the same "experts" who have made you look a tool time and again ... Listen Princess all sides concerned have said time and again they will not look to enforce the border but that does not seem good enough for you as you suggest it wont be legal ... So are you really saying that the border will be hard because of a legal issue even though all sides say they dont want that and then inevitably as you say we will return to "war" on UK streets and the deaths and slaughter that go with that ??? ... C'mon Barry out of those concerned who's going to be first to put their hands up and say "we are enforcing the border" and risk what you say ??? What they have said and what will actually happen will be two separate things. I dunno how many times its been discussed on here but under the no deal exit you desire I cannot see (and this is the view of just about anyone who has studied it who is not part of the Brexit cult) how there cannot be a hard border. One of my Irish friends posted this today on another forum when asked why the Irish would kick off if there was a border put up. Its quite a fair and interesting read. "The vast majority of Irish people have moved beyond it. In fact the vast majority were always beyond it. Terrorism pretty much everywhere relies on a few dedicated nutcases causing mayhem. Let's restrict this to republican terrorists. Those who the rest of the world would have seen as the catholic side, but only because it was a convenient tag. Not all catholics were terrorists or approved of terrorism. In much the same way as not all brexiters are bigots. But in both cases the bigots do belong to the larger group. Even at the height of the troubles the various IRAs comprised only a small number. I'd guess never much more than a few hundred active terrorists. Their belief was and still is that Great Britain has no place in Ireland and that any means necessary may legitimately be used to displace the British. Their view is as fundamentalist as that of the hard brexiters. The republicans saw the GFA as a move in the right direction and almost all of them called a halt to violence. Parity of esteem between catholic and protestant seemed to bring an end the Protestant ascendancy. That's in some doubt now since the British Government who have signed up to acting as impartial brokers are in partnership with one of the parties they are supposed to act impartially towards. The DUP. That on it's own is enough to recruit more members to the dissident republican terrorist organisations. They never signed up to a ceasefire in the first place. Renew a British presence along the border, practically the entire length of which has traditionally had a catholic majority and a substantial number of people who did not greatly disapprove of most republican terrorist activity, seeing it as the means to remove the British presence there which they regarded as very oppressive, with a good deal of justification. So any backward steps will renew republican sympathies and will act as a recruiter for these dissident organisations, and there's no doubt at all that they want to kill anybody they see as an official representative of the British government. It's been hard for the dissidents to operate because very few people were prepared to keep quiet and let them get on with it. The police have been fairly successful due to intelligence reporting by local people who don't want to go back to the way things were. But as people with republican aspirations see what they regard as the UK going back on the undertakings they gave in the GFA the less likely it becomes that they would report dissident activity. That's how violence gets going again. When one side starts the other side will seek to even the score and eliminate them and we'll have the whole thing going back to how it was regardless that the vast majority of people don't want it. It won't take many terrorists to ruin NI again. Tit for tat killing was the thing in NI for thirty years and nobody wants that back but certainly if one side starts killing the other side will feel they must respond simply because doing nothing isn't an option for them. We are considering what mafia like thugs will do here. That is all they are." So your "friend" has said all we need to know that in his and your words a "few dedicated nutcases will cause mayhem" and thats backed up by your IRA friend earlier in my link , nothing to do with a border or Brexit just hatred ... They are out to cause mayhem no matter what and have been since the GFA and before it ... Terrorism has never left NI Barry and you'd know that if your concern wasn't so fake ... The one thing that has changed since the GFA is intelligence to stop the scum from killing with technology and the will of most of the folk has stopped trouble before it started , again something you'd know if your concern wasn't so fake Not true. It stopped because they all signed the GFA! Terrorism has left Ireland as a result, there is no denying that. Someone posted the stats recently. The IRA loons are still there and still want a united Ireland but there is an uneasy peace that is teetering on kicking off again and as has been said time and time again Brexit will likely be the catalyst that leads to that. There may be new technology but as far as I Can tell it doesnt always work very well at preventing terrorism as we see all over the world on a regular basis. Maybe they have some special Unicorn technology eh? The same kind that they were going to use to create an invisible border. I guess we will find out soon enough eh the way things are going. What IRA friend? I can assure you I do not have an IRA friends but I do have lots of Irish Friends so your constant poking about fake concern is complete bollox and a bit sad. "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... Are you a total loop ... You know nothing of the terrorist violence that has still gone on in NI since the ceasefire and thats why your concern is fake ... Its just a front for your bitter Brexit loss doomsday predictions just as your chlorinated chicken , medical shortages , starvation blah blah blah ... Maybe you want to have a word with relatives of the victims of terrorist violence since the ceasefires to see if "Terrorism has left Ireland" ... You still have shown nothing , absolute zilch to say why we are going to have a "war" on UK streets because of a border no one has any intention to enforce ??? I believe Ive asked about 5 or 6 times Most groups agreed to the ceasefire and the GFA apart from Dissident republicans who oppose the agreement. So yes some murders and violence has continued but you would have to be a complete moron to try and advocate that in general peace has not returned (in general) since the dark days before 1998. Without looking I think it was something like 3600 people killed in the Troubles before the GFA and many thousands injured and maimed. Since the "ceasefire" its about 150. I have shown you time and time again now why your bonkers project threatens that. Its a lost cause. You said "Terrorism has left Ireland" and it simply hasn't , it has reduced obviously but terrorism hasn't gone ... Do you know how many pipe bomb attacks have happened this year in Northern Ireland ??? How many terrorist knee cappings in Northern Ireland since the GFA ??? How many terrorist beatings happen in Northern Ireland ??? How much crime is committed in Northern Ireland by terrorist groups etc etc ??? ... Obviously you don't with your wild Hollywood claim and fake concern ... As for what youve shown me regarding what I asked you , you haven't shown anything but guff and "my bonkers project" doesnt threaten anything , if your looking for someone to blame look no further than our gutless politicians who've had 3 years to sort out the border issue though as I say I believe the border for you and many like you is just a fake concern Terrorism on the scale it once was has, its nothing like it once was by a country mile. NI boomed as a result of that but now not only is the peace threatened but its going to severely effect their trade and economy as well which will just add fuel to the fire. Yes our politicians have had three years to sort out the border issue but as most of us said three years ago who had studied it in detail there is no way to solve it without single market and customs union membership. The backstop kind of solves it but apparently despite Boris voting for that he now says its undemocratic despite it being our idea. Once again it is not fake concern. I find you repeatedly stating that insulting regardless of the fact that I have explained to you my connections with Ireland and the fact that I have friends there. Everyone should be concerned whether you voted for Brexit or not. Bit of a cheap shot to assume Im only bothered because its a way to stop Brexit. Barry you have a history of cheap shots where Brexit is concerned so dont go playing the victim ... If you cant take it then dont throw stones ... You have called Brexit voters all sorts of stuff for simply having a different view to yours , from bigot and racists to being blamed for the return of war and deaths through food shortages ... Your concern for the border is totally fake and sickening and really is like youve said previously "you couldn't give a toss" about Brexit That is simply untrue Mr Birdshat and a further slur on my character. Any remarks I have made about Brexiteers such as you accuse me of have been in jest or aimed at particularly unsavoury individuals. I have never once referred to Brexiteers as being bigots or racists although I suspect any proper bigots and racists will not have voted to remain. B-) It is true, I no longer care like I did because I fear its a lost cause and has to happen now in order to prove what a disastrous and damaging idea it all was. I actually hope I am wrong because despite your constant incorrect and frankly hurtful accusations that my concern is fake for a return to violence and people dying from Brexit related consequences I do care about innocent peoples lives being ruined or lost as a result of this right wing coup, very much indeed. Put it this way, I will probably be one of the least effected by Brexit or at least damaged the least by it, Why am I so against it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-30 7:05 AM Put it this way, I will probably be one of the least effected by Brexit or at least damaged the least by it, Why am I so against it then? Because you like EU gravy ;-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-08-29 8:40 PM Terrorism on the scale it once was has, its nothing like it once was by a country mile. NI boomed as a result of that but now not only is the peace threatened but its going to severely effect their trade and economy as well which will just add fuel to the fire. I find the Remoaner attempts to sh*t stir the current IRA terrorism rather nauseous *-) .............. Especially as they are ignoring the on going murderous attacks carried by those Islamic migrants they're so keen to allow in 8-) ......... Ruddy hypocrites :-| .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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