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userBirdbrain
Posted: 26 July 2020 6:42 PM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM

Brian has gone very quiet.


Good, maybe the organ grinders monkeys Barry and Bullet will follow his lead ... Like normal
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Posted: 26 July 2020 6:54 PM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM

Brian has gone very quiet.


Maybe he's gone to Blackburn for his holiday ? ..........

It'll be nice if he did .......

He might know what he's talking about for a change ........

We sold our house in Lincolnshire to someone who was fleeing a village on the outskirts of Blackburn ........

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Posted: 26 July 2020 8:09 PM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM

Brian has gone very quiet.

I think you got your answer from his 2nd post as that's precisely what the thread quickly descended into and confirmed by his last.
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Posted: 26 July 2020 8:16 PM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM

Brian has gone very quiet.

I think you got your answer from his 2nd post as that's precisely what the thread quickly descended into and confirmed by his last.


Yeah Brian hates the Elephant being in his room .........

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Posted: 27 July 2020 1:08 PM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! Sorry, but the sour juice just ain't worth the squeeze!

So, instead, here's a link to a long article on the background of employment and immigration in Blackburn, by Jeremy Seabrook. https://tinyurl.com/y2tnucmq Not my first choice of publication or author, but his literary credentials are good - which will inevitably irritate some, but it was the most sympathetic portrayal I could find. Fill yer boots - or wherever you keep your brains!

It will immediately be dismissed as "lefty" by the usual closed minds (who I doubt will read it in any case), but the more enquiring may wish to read it as it gives a lot of background on an unhappy town with an immigrant south Asian population of 28%, and a long history of racial intolerance that is detectable in some posts on here.

Having read it, I understand better the mindset of those who grew up there 50 or more years ago, and to an extent why some of them may still find it difficult to move on.
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Posted: 27 July 2020 2:27 PM
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Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! Sorry, but the sour juice just ain't worth the squeeze!

So, instead, here's a link to a long article on the background of employment and immigration in Blackburn, by Jeremy Seabrook. https://tinyurl.com/y2tnucmq Not my first choice of publication or author, but his literary credentials are good - which will inevitably irritate some, but it was the most sympathetic portrayal I could find. Fill yer boots - or wherever you keep your brains!

It will immediately be dismissed as "lefty" by the usual closed minds (who I doubt will read it in any case), but the more enquiring may wish to read it as it gives a lot of background on an unhappy town with an immigrant south Asian population of 28%, and a long history of racial intolerance that is detectable in some posts on here.

Having read it, I understand better the mindset of those who grew up there 50 or more years ago, and to an extent why some of them may still find it difficult to move on.


Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time
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Posted: 27 July 2020 4:07 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 1:08 PM
StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! ....

An interesting read - but I found it superficial and unhelpful. I also doubt the figure of 28% for the South Asian element of the population; last I heard it was much higher. If all you know about Blackburn and such places is by reading articles in socialist magazines like the New Statesman you are hardly going to discover anything which would disturb your socialist preconceptions and attitudes. So you still seem to me to be likely to continue to be an obstacle in the road towards discovery of the causes of higher vulnerability to COVID-19 of the BAME communities.

I read the Guardian regularly and I learn from doing so. I suggest you should try reading a broader spectrum of stuff, including some right of centre literature.
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Posted: 27 July 2020 5:35 PM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! ....

An interesting read - but I found it superficial and unhelpful. I also doubt the figure of 28% for the South Asian element of the population; last I heard it was much higher. If all you know about Blackburn and such places is by reading articles in socialist magazines like the New Statesman you are hardly going to discover anything which would disturb your socialist preconceptions and attitudes. So you still seem to me to be likely to continue to be an obstacle in the road towards discovery of the causes of higher vulnerability to COVID-19 of the BAME communities.

I read the Guardian regularly and I learn from doing so. I suggest you should try reading a broader spectrum of stuff, including some right of centre literature.

2011 census data here: https://www.blackburn.gov.uk/sites/default/files/media/pdfs/EthnicityAndReligionProfile2011.pdf

No, I do not regularly read the New Statesman - indeed I don't think I have ever read any of it before finding that link.

That apart, and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day.
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Posted: 27 July 2020 6:06 PM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! Sorry, but the sour juice just ain't worth the squeeze!

So, instead, here's a link to a long article on the background of employment and immigration in Blackburn, by Jeremy Seabrook. https://tinyurl.com/y2tnucmq Not my first choice of publication or author, but his literary credentials are good - which will inevitably irritate some, but it was the most sympathetic portrayal I could find. Fill yer boots - or wherever you keep your brains!

It will immediately be dismissed as "lefty" by the usual closed minds (who I doubt will read it in any case), but the more enquiring may wish to read it as it gives a lot of background on an unhappy town with an immigrant south Asian population of 28%, and a long history of racial intolerance that is detectable in some posts on here.

Having read it, I understand better the mindset of those who grew up there 50 or more years ago, and to an extent why some of them may still find it difficult to move on.


Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time


Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though
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Posted: 27 July 2020 6:40 PM
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Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 2:27 PM ...................................Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time

Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though

There are copious examples. If you aren't already aware of them, you don't understand the concept of racial intolerance. If you do, you will already be aware of them. From our previous exchanges, and as you write a lot of them, I suspect the latter. So why should I waste time on an incessant baiter?
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Posted: 27 July 2020 6:45 PM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! ....

An interesting read - but I found it superficial and unhelpful. I read the Guardian regularly and I learn from doing so.

Try these two then.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/04/genetics-bame-people-die-coronavirus-structural-racism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/why-are-people-from-bame-groups-dying-disproportionately-of-covid-19
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Posted: 27 July 2020 7:06 PM
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Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 2:27 PM ...................................Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time

Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though

There are copious examples. If you aren't already aware of them, you don't understand the concept of racial intolerance. If you do, you will already be aware of them. From our previous exchanges, and as you write a lot of them, I suspect the latter. So why should I waste time on an incessant baiter?


Like I said previously it was a long shot, a very long shot ... The only racial intolerance I see on here is from those who defend the very raciiiiist Labour Party ... Total waste of time as always asking for even the slightest bit of evidence to back up yet another Hollywood claim ... Go Girlfriend
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Posted: 28 July 2020 8:34 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 1:08 PM

StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! Sorry, but the sour juice just ain't worth the squeeze!

So, instead, here's a link to a long article on the background of employment and immigration in Blackburn, by Jeremy Seabrook. https://tinyurl.com/y2tnucmq Not my first choice of publication or author, but his literary credentials are good - which will inevitably irritate some, but it was the most sympathetic portrayal I could find. Fill yer boots - or wherever you keep your brains!

It will immediately be dismissed as "lefty" by the usual closed minds (who I doubt will read it in any case), but the more enquiring may wish to read it as it gives a lot of background on an unhappy town with an immigrant south Asian population of 28%, and a long history of racial intolerance that is detectable in some posts on here.

Having read it, I understand better the mindset of those who grew up there 50 or more years ago, and to an extent why some of them may still find it difficult to move on.


Yep an excellent read .........

Which proves that the UK is not the multi cultural nirvana folk like you would have us believe ........

Yet as per usual you appear to blame the indigenous population for not integrating with the immigrants ......

Perhaps I am old fashioned in thinking it should be the other way round ...........

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Posted: 28 July 2020 8:59 AM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! ....

An interesting read - but I found it superficial and unhelpful. I read the Guardian regularly and I learn from doing so.

Try these two then.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/04/genetics-bame-people-die-coronavirus-structural-racism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/why-are-people-from-bame-groups-dying-disproportionately-of-covid-19


Your second link was interesting; written by a Professor Nishi Chaturvedi, director of the MRC Unit for Lifelong Health and Ageing at UCL, so a BAME academic. The final, summary paragraph is:

"Ultimately, this is about health inequalities, about deprivation and affluence and how important socio-economic status is in determining health outcomes. This isn’t just an ethnicity story, it affects all of us. Britain has a long history of health inequalities. It’s critically important to understand and I’m relieved that the government is taking this seriously."

The first link says the same sort of thing; it's all down to deprivation: "But there is evidence they are the result of structural racism. All these underlying problems can be directly connected to the food and exercise you have access to, the level of education, employment, housing, healthcare, economic and political power within these communities."

Once again there is no consideration of low achievement and bad behaviour as factors adversely affecting BAME population prospects, it's just , deprivation, deprivation, deprivation. The blinkers of political correctness.

Edited by StuartO 2020-07-28 9:07 AM
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Posted: 28 July 2020 9:14 AM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! Sorry, but the sour juice just ain't worth the squeeze!

So, instead, here's a link to a long article on the background of employment and immigration in Blackburn, by Jeremy Seabrook. https://tinyurl.com/y2tnucmq Not my first choice of publication or author, but his literary credentials are good - which will inevitably irritate some, but it was the most sympathetic portrayal I could find. Fill yer boots - or wherever you keep your brains!

It will immediately be dismissed as "lefty" by the usual closed minds (who I doubt will read it in any case), but the more enquiring may wish to read it as it gives a lot of background on an unhappy town with an immigrant south Asian population of 28%, and a long history of racial intolerance that is detectable in some posts on here.

Having read it, I understand better the mindset of those who grew up there 50 or more years ago, and to an extent why some of them may still find it difficult to move on.


Yep an excellent read .........

Which proves that the UK is not the multi cultural nirvana folk like you would have us believe ........

Yet as per usual you appear to blame the indigenous population for not integrating with the immigrants ......

Perhaps I am old fashioned in thinking it should be the other way round ...........



Perhaps you are old fashioned. Would you hold a dinner party and expect your guests to do all the work socialising? Yeah you probably would.

Its a two way street isn't it?
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Posted: 28 July 2020 11:29 AM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! Sorry, but the sour juice just ain't worth the squeeze!

So, instead, here's a link to a long article on the background of employment and immigration in Blackburn, by Jeremy Seabrook. https://tinyurl.com/y2tnucmq Not my first choice of publication or author, but his literary credentials are good - which will inevitably irritate some, but it was the most sympathetic portrayal I could find. Fill yer boots - or wherever you keep your brains!

It will immediately be dismissed as "lefty" by the usual closed minds (who I doubt will read it in any case), but the more enquiring may wish to read it as it gives a lot of background on an unhappy town with an immigrant south Asian population of 28%, and a long history of racial intolerance that is detectable in some posts on here.

Having read it, I understand better the mindset of those who grew up there 50 or more years ago, and to an extent why some of them may still find it difficult to move on.

1 Yep an excellent read .........
2 Which proves that the UK is not the multi cultural nirvana folk like you would have us believe ........
3 Yet as per usual you appear to blame the indigenous population for not integrating with the immigrants ......
4 Perhaps I am old fashioned in thinking it should be the other way round ...........

1 Agreed
2 Straight to the personal, as usual. However, it could only provide the proof you claim, if your pigeonhole mental image of me matched reality. I don't think, and have never thought, the UK is a multicultural nirvana, and I have never posted anything on here to suggest I think that.
3 No. But it takes two to tango. You said you'd read the article. So, imagine how confident you'd feel as an immigrant to Blackburn about mixing with the indigenous population, if you had been continually attacked, called names, or pointedly avoided in the street, by them, as the article describes, purely because of the colour of your skin. It has to be accepted that there is fault on both sides.
4 When in Rome? Yes. But you first need a Roman to explain Rome's ways before you can assume them. So did the Blackburnians set out to assist the immigrants in settling in? You wouldn't have made that statement if you'd really read the article, because the answer is in there. Just imagine - "Thank you for beating me up for my appearance, why not come round for dinner next Tuesday?" Doesn't seem that probable, does it? If you want "them" to see things from "your" point of view, don't go out and hit them first! It isn't exactly rocket science, is it?
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Posted: 28 July 2020 11:42 AM
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StuartO - 2020-07-26 6:39 PM
Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! Sorry, but the sour juice just ain't worth the squeeze!

So, instead, here's a link to a long article on the background of employment and immigration in Blackburn, by Jeremy Seabrook. https://tinyurl.com/y2tnucmq Not my first choice of publication or author, but his literary credentials are good - which will inevitably irritate some, but it was the most sympathetic portrayal I could find. Fill yer boots - or wherever you keep your brains!

It will immediately be dismissed as "lefty" by the usual closed minds (who I doubt will read it in any case), but the more enquiring may wish to read it as it gives a lot of background on an unhappy town with an immigrant south Asian population of 28%, and a long history of racial intolerance that is detectable in some posts on here.

Having read it, I understand better the mindset of those who grew up there 50 or more years ago, and to an extent why some of them may still find it difficult to move on.

1 Yep an excellent read .........
2 Which proves that the UK is not the multi cultural nirvana folk like you would have us believe ........
3 Yet as per usual you appear to blame the indigenous population for not integrating with the immigrants ......
4 Perhaps I am old fashioned in thinking it should be the other way round ...........

1 Agreed
2 Straight to the personal, as usual. However, it could only provide the proof you claim, if your pigeonhole mental image of me matched reality. I don't think, and have never thought, the UK is a multicultural nirvana, and I have never posted anything on here to suggest I think that.
3 No. But it takes two to tango. You said you'd read the article. So, imagine how confident you'd feel as an immigrant to Blackburn about mixing with the indigenous population, if you had been continually attacked, called names, or pointedly avoided in the street, by them, as the article describes, purely because of the colour of your skin. It has to be accepted that there is fault on both sides.
4 When in Rome? Yes. But you first need a Roman to explain Rome's ways before you can assume them. So did the Blackburnians set out to assist the immigrants in settling in? You wouldn't have made that statement if you'd really read the article, because the answer is in there. Just imagine - "Thank you for beating me up for my appearance, why not come round for dinner next Tuesday?" Doesn't seem that probable, does it? If you want "them" to see things from "your" point of view, don't go out and hit them first! It isn't exactly rocket science, is it?


2.........Well you LLLLB started it in June 2016 ...........Have you not in the past pointed out how wonderful parts of multi cultural London are .........

3.........Its funny but when I was a kid I got called names.....I also got beaten up ...........

Cant say its left me with a chip on my shoulder like it has the BAME community .........

Although nowadays it appears blaming middle aged Honkies for everything is perfectly acceptable .......

4..........When the Romans invaded they foisted their culture on us too ..........



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StuartO - 2020-07-28 8:59 AM

Once again there is no consideration of low achievement and bad behaviour as factors adversely affecting BAME population prospects, it's just , deprivation, deprivation, deprivation. The blinkers of political correctness.


So why are they low achievers?
Is is because people who have enough about them to emigrate to another country to improve their prospects are idle no hopers
Or is it because they are not given the opportunities you had

Do you need help to work that one out?
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Once again there is no consideration of low achievement and bad behaviour as factors adversely affecting BAME population prospects, it's just , deprivation, deprivation, deprivation. The blinkers of political correctness.


So why are they low achievers?
Is is because people who have enough about them to emigrate to another country to improve their prospects are idle no hopers
Or is it because they are not given the opportunities you had

Do you need help to work that one out?


Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 ........

Perhaps I should sue him? ..........

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When kids are living in slum accommodation, shared rooms, nowhere to study, surrounded by noise, drugs and gangs, can't afford their own PC etc, do they have the same opportunities
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StuartO - 2020-07-28 8:59 AM

Once again there is no consideration of low achievement and bad behaviour as factors adversely affecting BAME population prospects, it's just , deprivation, deprivation, deprivation. The blinkers of political correctness.


So why are they low achievers?
Is is because people who have enough about them to emigrate to another country to improve their prospects are idle no hopers
Or is it because they are not given the opportunities you had

Do you need help to work that one out?


Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 ........

Perhaps I should sue him? ..........



Yes I can see you need help to work it out, but I gave upon you long ago and was asking Stuart.
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Brian has gone very quiet.

Yes, I've given up all hope of being able to conduct anything resembling a half-intelligent, reasonable, exchange of views where my, or anyone else's, views conflict with yours! ....

An interesting read - but I found it superficial and unhelpful. I read the Guardian regularly and I learn from doing so.

Try these two then.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/04/genetics-bame-people-die-coronavirus-structural-racism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/why-are-people-from-bame-groups-dying-disproportionately-of-covid-19


Your second link was interesting; written by a Professor Nishi Chaturvedi, director of the MRC Unit for Lifelong Health and Ageing at UCL, so a BAME academic. The final, summary paragraph is:

"Ultimately, this is about health inequalities, about deprivation and affluence and how important socio-economic status is in determining health outcomes. This isn’t just an ethnicity story, it affects all of us. Britain has a long history of health inequalities. It’s critically important to understand and I’m relieved that the government is taking this seriously."

The first link says the same sort of thing; it's all down to deprivation: "But there is evidence they are the result of structural racism. All these underlying problems can be directly connected to the food and exercise you have access to, the level of education, employment, housing, healthcare, economic and political power within these communities."

Once again there is no consideration of low achievement and bad behaviour as factors adversely affecting BAME population prospects, it's just , deprivation, deprivation, deprivation. The blinkers of political correctness.

Apparently the ONS had adjusted their figures to filter out deprivation, household composition, socioeconomic status, education etc but the fatality figures were still disproportionate. I don't see anything 'pc' related about deprivation. I would see ignoring it or remaining in a state of denial over it as 'blinkered' as it exists throughout the country and the 2018 report on poverty from UN special rapporteur Prof Philip Alston is testimony to that. Full report here; https://tinyurl.com/yda8kphu

You mentioned before about 'low achievers' and 'bad behaviour' as factors adversely affecting BAME population but never elaborated on either. Are you suggesting they are contributory causes to Covid?
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1 Yep an excellent read ;-) .........
2 Which proves that the UK is not the multi cultural nirvana folk like you would have us believe :-| ........
3 Yet as per usual you appear to blame the indigenous population for not integrating with the immigrants *-) ......
4 Perhaps I am old fashioned in thinking it should be the other way round (?) ...........

1 Agreed
2 Straight to the personal, as usual. However, it could only provide the proof you claim, if your pigeonhole mental image of me matched reality. I don't think, and have never thought, the UK is a multicultural nirvana, and I have never posted anything on here to suggest I think that.
3 No. But it takes two to tango. You said you'd read the article. So, imagine how confident you'd feel as an immigrant to Blackburn about mixing with the indigenous population, if you had been continually attacked, called names, or pointedly avoided in the street, by them, as the article describes, purely because of the colour of your skin. It has to be accepted that there is fault on both sides.
4 When in Rome? Yes. But you first need a Roman to explain Rome's ways before you can assume them. So did the Blackburnians set out to assist the immigrants in settling in? You wouldn't have made that statement if you'd really read the article, because the answer is in there. Just imagine - "Thank you for beating me up for my appearance, why not come round for dinner next Tuesday?" Doesn't seem that probable, does it? If you want "them" to see things from "your" point of view, don't go out and hit them first! It isn't exactly rocket science, is it?

2.........Well you LLLLB started it in June 2016 ;-) ...........Have you not in the past pointed out how wonderful parts of multi cultural London are (?) .........
3.........Its funny but when I was a kid I got called names.....I also got beaten up 8-) ...........
Cant say its left me with a chip on my shoulder like it has the BAME community *-) .........
Although nowadays it appears blaming middle aged Honkies for everything is perfectly acceptable :-S .......
4..........When the Romans invaded they foisted their culture on us too ;-) ..........

2 Really? Multicultural nirvana? Where? Parts of London "wonderful"? I don't think I have ever said that.

3 But why did that happen to you? Because of the colour of your skin, or for other reasons? No chips on your shoulders? You ave multiple chips, on both shoulders! :-) Germany, London, education, people with degrees, teachers, the EU, "big business" anything "left wing", people with new campers, so some things seem to have left scars on you. And yet you can't understand why people who came here to work, because they were invited to, and then find themselves physically attacked and even killed, called names, deliberately disadvantaged, and presumed inferior, even before they've opened their mouths, pretty much from the day they were born, acquire chips on their shoulders?

4 You can't see a difference between an invader, and people who comes to a country work, at our invitation? Really? What bits of Roman culture do you find unacceptable?

But where do you think "our" culture came from, if not from all those people who have settled the islands over the past 2,500 years or so? The first written records of Britain were by a Greek (Pytheas, from Massalia, modern day Marseilles), 400 years before the Romans came. The then indigenous descendants of the pre-historic stone, bronze, and iron, age peoples (all themselves immigrants) had also come from mainland Europe. They were followed by Celts, and after the Romans (who were far from Roman) the Germanic Anglo-Saxons (who were not welcomed! :-) from what is today central and northern Germany and Denmark), then Vikings (from Denmark and Scandinavia), then Normans (who were part Viking, part Frankish, and part French) then Flemings (mostly Germanic), then Huguenots (French), then Indians, Irish, more Indians, various Africans, Germans, Russian Jews - and that lot only gets us to the end of WW2! All those, to make "our culture".

If we dig back far enough, we are all migrants or invaders who have settled and added to and changed what has become our culture. It has always been changing. It can't be put in aspic at a single point in time. The changes have always caused grumbles, disruptions, quarrels, and conflicts.

In our own interests we have to find solutions that are acceptable to both the newcomers and the established populations. We all have to bend a bit. You say you were born in the east end of London, which probably makes your own ancestry interesting, as the east end has been an ethnic melting pot for hundreds of years, because of the Thames and its docks.

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Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 ........
Perhaps I should sue him? ..........

You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue!
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John52 - 2020-07-28 12:01 PM

When kids are living in slum accommodation, shared rooms, nowhere to study, surrounded by noise, drugs and gangs, can't afford their own PC etc, do they have the same opportunities


No of course not - so what's your solution? Please don't say that all you need to do is give them a steady income and nice middle class home in a nice area, next door to nice socialist people like Brian and his family, then they be perfectly OK.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day.


So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian?
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day.

So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian?

Pretty well all of it actually, Stuart. Champagne Socialist - emphatically not. Middle England - hardly, not in "Metroland" not in the London suburbs or Tunbridge Wells, not traditionally conservative or right wing, and not secure from nightmare neighbours of any ethnicity. Is anyone? Not a member of, or a committed voter for, any political party. Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. As I said, you've got it wrong. But, even were I as you imagine, you'd still need my views - if only to challenge the existence of the bubble echo-chambers so many inhabit.
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Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 2:27 PM ...................................Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time

Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though

There are copious examples. If you aren't already aware of them, you don't understand the concept of racial intolerance. If you do, you will already be aware of them. From our previous exchanges, and as you write a lot of them, I suspect the latter. So why should I waste time on an incessant baiter?


Like I said previously it was a long shot, a very long shot ... The only racial intolerance I see on here is from those who defend the very raciiiiist Labour Party ... Total waste of time as always asking for even the slightest bit of evidence to back up yet another Hollywood claim ... Go Girlfriend


Total waste of time ... Again
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John52 - 2020-07-28 12:01 PM

When kids are living in slum accommodation, shared rooms, nowhere to study, surrounded by noise, drugs and gangs, can't afford their own PC etc, do they have the same opportunities


No of course not - so what's your solution? .


The 'levelling up' BoJo promised before the election
But instead of looking into Her Majesty's Tax havens to make Tory Supporting £billionaires pay tax, or inheritance tax, is raising yet another stealth tax on the poor.
to pay for the £900k paint job on his plane, and £billions dished out to his chums ... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/15/coronavirus-contracts-government-transparency-pandemic
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Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 2:27 PM ...................................Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time

Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though

There are copious examples. If you aren't already aware of them, you don't understand the concept of racial intolerance. If you do, you will already be aware of them. From our previous exchanges, and as you write a lot of them, I suspect the latter. So why should I waste time on an incessant baiter?

Like I said previously it was a long shot, a very long shot ... The only racial intolerance I see on here is from those who defend the very raciiiiist Labour Party ... Total waste of time as always asking for even the slightest bit of evidence to back up yet another Hollywood claim ... Go Girlfriend

Total waste of time ... Again

You had my answer. You're just too blinkered to understand it. Can't help that, can I?
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