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userBirdbrain
Posted: 29 July 2020 7:00 AM
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Birdbrain - 2020-07-27 2:27 PM ...................................Prolly too much to ask but any chance of any examples of the "racial intolerance that is detectable on here" ??? ... I know its a long shot asking but hey-ho theres always a first time

Yep ... A long shot ... Worth a try though

There are copious examples. If you aren't already aware of them, you don't understand the concept of racial intolerance. If you do, you will already be aware of them. From our previous exchanges, and as you write a lot of them, I suspect the latter. So why should I waste time on an incessant baiter?

Like I said previously it was a long shot, a very long shot ... The only racial intolerance I see on here is from those who defend the very raciiiiist Labour Party ... Total waste of time as always asking for even the slightest bit of evidence to back up yet another Hollywood claim ... Go Girlfriend

Total waste of time ... Again

You had my answer. You're just too blinkered to understand it. Can't help that, can I?


Seems I am the only one that ever backs up my claims ... You and Veronica asked for proof you both suggested I was an extremist so I should you ... Respected member Bullet asked me to show where he had called me the very homophobic Pansy Boy after he'd denied saying it and called me a liar, so I should him ... Hey-ho goes with the territory on here I suppose
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Posted: 29 July 2020 12:11 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day.

So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian?

Pretty well all of it actually, Stuart. Champagne Socialist - emphatically not. Middle England - hardly, not in "Metroland" not in the London suburbs or Tunbridge Wells, not traditionally conservative or right wing, and not secure from nightmare neighbours of any ethnicity. Is anyone? Not a member of, or a committed voter for, any political party. Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. As I said, you've got it wrong. But, even were I as you imagine, you'd still need my views - if only to challenge the existence of the bubble echo-chambers so many inhabit.


The fact that you reject the label of Champagne Socialist doesn't mean that it doesn't fit. You don't have to actually drink Champagne to qualify, just enjoy a middle class lifestyle untouched by the hard realities of exposure to multicuturalism but at the same time want to at least pretend that all men are equal, or jolly well should be. I had you down as a Liberal; you know the Party formed when the Liberals merged with the Social Democrats; stereotypically someone who would have all sorts of objections to all sorts of practical and pragmatic political solutions on grounds of principles based on equity and at the same time all sorts of demands for endless new opportunities for people who have failed and/or offended multiple times because everyone deserves yet another chance because they are good people if you really do support them properly. And Green of course, although you drive a diesel MH which is far from Green for which you make rational excuses, and Anti-Nuclear, both for deterent weapons and for power generation. Liberalism is socialism for people who don't want to pretend to be part of the working class.
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Posted: 29 July 2020 7:37 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day.

So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian?

Pretty well all of it actually, Stuart. Champagne Socialist - emphatically not. Middle England - hardly, not in "Metroland" not in the London suburbs or Tunbridge Wells, not traditionally conservative or right wing, and not secure from nightmare neighbours of any ethnicity. Is anyone? Not a member of, or a committed voter for, any political party. Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. As I said, you've got it wrong. But, even were I as you imagine, you'd still need my views - if only to challenge the existence of the bubble echo-chambers so many inhabit.

The fact that you reject the label of Champagne Socialist doesn't mean that it doesn't fit. You don't have to actually drink Champagne to qualify, just enjoy a middle class lifestyle untouched by the hard realities of exposure to multicuturalism but at the same time want to at least pretend that all men are equal, or jolly well should be. I had you down as a Liberal; you know the Party formed when the Liberals merged with the Social Democrats; stereotypically someone who would have all sorts of objections to all sorts of practical and pragmatic political solutions on grounds of principles based on equity and at the same time all sorts of demands for endless new opportunities for people who have failed and/or offended multiple times because everyone deserves yet another chance because they are good people if you really do support them properly. And Green of course, although you drive a diesel MH which is far from Green for which you make rational excuses, and Anti-Nuclear, both for deterent weapons and for power generation. Liberalism is socialism for people who don't want to pretend to be part of the working class.

Classic! Very, very, funny. Do you charge for entry to this strange world you inhabit, where everyone else is a grotesque chimeric creation of your imagination, and nothing is real? I don't think I've ever read such an extraordinary stream of baseless nonsense. It's like being in the hall of funny mirrors.
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Posted: 30 July 2020 8:41 AM
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John52 - 2020-07-28 12:01 PM

When kids are living in slum accommodation, shared rooms, nowhere to study, surrounded by noise, drugs and gangs, can't afford their own PC etc, do they have the same opportunities


You mean kids like me who spent most of my childhood living in a 2 bed rented with my parents and 3 siblings? ..........

I was also what they call nowadays a carer to my younger siblings .........

I woz a victim......and I never knew it ..........

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Posted: 30 July 2020 8:44 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-07-27 5:35 PM.... and with my apologies, I think you're a bit quick to put people you don't know and haven't met into pigeon-holes, and then to advance abusive and associative ad-hominem arguments against the resulting, imagined, person. Good day.

So which bit of my champagne socialist stereotype from deepest Middle England, some where far away from any of the problems not to be at risk of BAME nightmare neighbours moving in doesn't fit you then Brian?

Pretty well all of it actually, Stuart. Champagne Socialist - emphatically not. Middle England - hardly, not in "Metroland" not in the London suburbs or Tunbridge Wells, not traditionally conservative or right wing, and not secure from nightmare neighbours of any ethnicity. Is anyone? Not a member of, or a committed voter for, any political party. Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. As I said, you've got it wrong. But, even were I as you imagine, you'd still need my views - if only to challenge the existence of the bubble echo-chambers so many inhabit.

The fact that you reject the label of Champagne Socialist doesn't mean that it doesn't fit. You don't have to actually drink Champagne to qualify, just enjoy a middle class lifestyle untouched by the hard realities of exposure to multicuturalism but at the same time want to at least pretend that all men are equal, or jolly well should be. I had you down as a Liberal; you know the Party formed when the Liberals merged with the Social Democrats; stereotypically someone who would have all sorts of objections to all sorts of practical and pragmatic political solutions on grounds of principles based on equity and at the same time all sorts of demands for endless new opportunities for people who have failed and/or offended multiple times because everyone deserves yet another chance because they are good people if you really do support them properly. And Green of course, although you drive a diesel MH which is far from Green for which you make rational excuses, and Anti-Nuclear, both for deterent weapons and for power generation. Liberalism is socialism for people who don't want to pretend to be part of the working class.

Classic! Very, very, funny. Do you charge for entry to this strange world you inhabit, where everyone else is a grotesque chimeric creation of your imagination, and nothing is real? I don't think I've ever read such an extraordinary stream of baseless nonsense. It's like being in the hall of funny mirrors.


You obviously don't recognise your own reflection Brian ..........

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Posted: 30 July 2020 8:46 AM
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Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 ........
Perhaps I should sue him? ..........

You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue!


I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher .........

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Posted: 30 July 2020 7:23 PM
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Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 ........
Perhaps I should sue him? ..........

You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue!

I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher .........

Touché! Should'a gone to Specsavers, innit!
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Posted: 30 July 2020 9:46 PM
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Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 ........
Perhaps I should sue him? ..........

You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue!

I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher .........

Touché! Should'a gone to Specsavers, innit!


No need ......

They don't have any specs that can protect you from a smart ar*e ........

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Posted: 31 July 2020 1:42 PM
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Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 ........
Perhaps I should sue him? ..........

You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue!

I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher .........

Touché! Should'a gone to Specsavers, innit!

Pelmet needs spelling lessons, not glasses.
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Posted: 31 July 2020 3:21 PM
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..............................You obviously don't recognise your own reflection Brian ..........

I do, but it wasn't my reflection, it was someone else's imaginary reflection. Very creepy!
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Posted: 1 August 2020 7:55 AM
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..............................You obviously don't recognise your own reflection Brian ..........

I do, but it wasn't my reflection, it was someone else's imaginary reflection. Very creepy!


But you are being remarkably reluctant to acknowledge which bits of the Liberal stereotype fit the bill Brian - and you do seem to have been a lifelong Liberal supporter in general elections, which means that some of it, at least, must be valid.

Why be shy about the Liberal policies you felt at the time were worth supporting?

And did you support the Conservative/Liberal Coalition, which gave the Liberal politicians of the time their once in a lifetime taste of power, even though they had to renege on their firm election mandate commitment on student loans as part of the deal?

I was talking to a cousin who lives near Blackburn yesterday. It seems the penny has been dropping at last among the asian commuity in Blackburn that they have been killing themselves (or rather their older relatives) by ignoring the Lockdown Rules, for example 250 people gathering for a muslim funeral, as normal, and free-flowing mixing among and between asian households, again as normal for them. Their leaders are now expressing contrition and expressing determination to do better but it remains to be seen whether that acually happens; they've rather got used to being free to do their own community thing, immune from interference by the police and regardless of what UK law says. In Leicester it's been the asians running these Rag Trade seat shops without interuption during Lockdown as well.

Do you support their cultural freedom to do that sort of thing Brian, as long as they only kill their own relatives and slave labour in the process?

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Posted: 1 August 2020 9:35 AM
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Yeah.......Where would I be now if the Dumb nuts I had sat next to in my CSE history exam had been bright enough to get more than to get a grade 3 ........
Perhaps I should sue him? ..........

You mean you cooped his work? I'd definitely sue!

I'd sue your Grammer school English teacher .........

Touché! Should'a gone to Specsavers, innit!

Pelmet needs spelling lessons, not glasses.


I have an excuse......... coz I ain't been edjermercated ..........

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Posted: 1 August 2020 9:44 AM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige
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Posted: 1 August 2020 11:00 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:44 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..
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Posted: 1 August 2020 11:08 AM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Edited by pelmetman 2020-08-01 11:08 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:44 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.
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Posted: 1 August 2020 11:34 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:44 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.


It's our track & trace system that has identified where the hot spots are ..........

BTW multi generational Muslim families don't live in one house because they're poor ........

They do it because its their culture, which means its their culture that is helping spread the Chinky Flu and causing more of them to die .......

Not white privilige .........

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pelmetman - 2020-08-01 9:44 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.


It's our track & trace system that has identified where the hot spots are ..........

BTW multi generational Muslim families don't live in one house because they're poor ........

They do it because its their culture, which means its their culture that is helping spread the Chinky Flu and causing more of them to die .......

Not white privilige .........



Is that a fact or something you just decided? You might be right but its also correct that Muslims are the poorest ethnic group in the UK I believe. I think 50% are classed as being in poverty.

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1 But you are being remarkably reluctant to acknowledge which bits of the Liberal stereotype fit the bill Brian - and you do seem to have been a lifelong Liberal supporter in general elections, which means that some of it, at least, must be valid.
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2 Do you support their cultural freedom to do that sort of thing Brian, as long as they only kill their own relatives and slave labour in the process?

1 a) Stuart, for some reason I seem to have become a scab that you can't help picking. I'm not going to write you, or anyone else, a personal political manifesto. Those things are for me to know.

b) I am not, as you allege above, "a lifelong Liberal supporter in general elections". How you drew that conclusion, presumably from what I actually said, here: "Brian Kirby - 2020-07-28 6:57 PM ………………………...Have never Voted Conservative or Labour, and have latterly tended to vote Liberal Democrat in national elections, and independent in local elections, based on the qualities of the candidates. ………………" I fail to understand. Cognitive dissonance, perhaps?

c) I will say just this. I voted for the first time, I think, in 1997, when I voted Liberal Democrat. Before then I had not voted in national elections for two reasons. First, the trivialising, "yah boo sucks", nature of left-right party politics, and second, although I agreed with parts of both major parties' "manifestos", I did not subscribe to either sufficiently to vote for them.

d) Before the Liberal Democrats formed in 1981 the Liberals were little more than a bunch of dreamers. The injection from the remnants of the SDP brought most of them down to earth and they became the kind of centrist party I could support. They eventually put up an excellent looking candidate for our local constituency so, in the '97 election I voted for him, and continued doing so.

2 a) I expect people, without exception, to do, to the best of their ability, what is sensible, right and legal. I also expect people to know, irrespective of ethnicity, colour, social status or background, what is sensible, right and legal.

b) I accept that firmly held principles will, at times, place people in conflict with the law and/or the government. I expect them, whoever they are, to seek to resolve those differences within the law, and with consideration for others and their property.

c) So, where the immigrant "communities" of the old cotton towns have not observed the government's instructions to maintain social distancing in all its forms, as well as hand washing and mask wearing as directed, I expect the relevant authorities to direct, and if necessary compel them, firmly and respectfully, to comply.

d) I do not accept any special pleadings that they should be excused on cultural or religious grounds. It is for the good of everyone, and not for any one section of the population, that the rules have been made.

e) In connection with "firmly and respectfully" in c) above, I would expect the particular circumstances of those immigrants, and the reaction to their presence on the part of their host populations, to be understood and taken into account. To be recruited from India and Pakistan in the 19050s, right at the end of the primacy of the UK cotton industry, to work temporarily in the mills and weaving sheds of Lancashire, and then to find new legislation changing the basis of their stays, coupled with overt hostility from the host population, is hardly the ideal way to foster integration and harmony. So, it seems they withdrew into their own community in defence. Not an excuse, but perhaps an explanation of sorts for their reactions to recent government instructions.

Interesting article here that throws some light on the background: https://tinyurl.com/y6t4b6ny From her name, it seems the author probably knows of what she speaks.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-08-01 4:33 PM ..... I expect people, without exception, to do, to the best of their ability, what is sensible, right and legal. I also expect people to know, irrespective of ethnicity, colour, social status or background, what is sensible, right and legal. ..... So, where the immigrant "communities" of the old cotton towns have not observed the government's instructions to maintain social distancing in all its forms, as well as hand washing and mask wearing as directed, I expect the relevant authorities to direct, and if necessary compel them, firmly and respectfully, to comply. I do not accept any special pleadings that they should be excused on cultural or religious grounds. It is for the good of everyone, and not for any one section of the population, that the rules have been made.


Well good luck with that then, my old dreamer. The police have been turning a blind eye for far too long (for fear of beeing called racist) and the asian community has got so big and so set in its own ways, sometimes shamelessly criminal ways, that there is no polite and reasonable way to recover the situation - indeed I'm not sure there is any way to recover at all in a democracy like ours.

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1 But you are being remarkably reluctant to acknowledge which bits of the Liberal stereotype fit the bill Brian - and you do seem to have been a lifelong Liberal supporter in general elections, which means that some of it, at least, must be valid.
.......................….
2 Do you support their cultural freedom to do that sort of thing Brian, as long as they only kill their own relatives and slave labour in the process?


Interesting article here that throws some light on the background: https://tinyurl.com/y6t4b6ny From her name, it seems the author probably knows of what she speaks.

Very good read that Brian. I'd forgot about our own migrants, particularly brickies to Germany, yet how could i when a highly successful comedy series came off the back of it....Auf Wiedersehen Pet! I even met one in Berlin. A guy from Cornwall who had originally gone to Spain after building work dried up in UK. The same of course eventually happened in Spain but one of his builder mates was returning back to Germany where there was still plenty of building work, so he left with him......not speaking a word of German or knowing anything about the country. When i met him he'd lived in Germany 20 years, spoke fluent German, married a German lass and had family. He had no regrets about leaving UK and never been back to UK since he left.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.


It's our track & trace system that has identified where the hot spots are ..........

BTW multi generational Muslim families don't live in one house because they're poor ........

They do it because its their culture, which means its their culture that is helping spread the Chinky Flu and causing more of them to die .......

Not white privilige .........



Is that a fact or something you just decided? You might be right but its also correct that Muslims are the poorest ethnic group in the UK I believe. I think 50% are classed as being in poverty.



Or is it that 50% claim benefits? .........

I proved how easy it was to qualify for benefits years ago.........Just ask Bullet or Pop Up Pepe ........

PS ......I forgot to add......one of the Southend Mansions I worked in was owned by someone called Patel .........

There were a lot of folk in the house.....although they tended to hide from me? ......





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1 But you are being remarkably reluctant to acknowledge which bits of the Liberal stereotype fit the bill Brian - and you do seem to have been a lifelong Liberal supporter in general elections, which means that some of it, at least, must be valid.
.......................….
2 Do you support their cultural freedom to do that sort of thing Brian, as long as they only kill their own relatives and slave labour in the process?


Interesting article here that throws some light on the background: https://tinyurl.com/y6t4b6ny From her name, it seems the author probably knows of what she speaks.

Very good read that Brian. I'd forgot about our own migrants, particularly brickies to Germany, yet how could i when a highly successful comedy series came off the back of it....Auf Wiedersehen Pet! I even met one in Berlin. A guy from Cornwall who had originally gone to Spain after building work dried up in UK. The same of course eventually happened in Spain but one of his builder mates was returning back to Germany where there was still plenty of building work, so he left with him......not speaking a word of German or knowing anything about the country. When i met him he'd lived in Germany 20 years, spoke fluent German, married a German lass and had family. He had no regrets about leaving UK and never been back to UK since he left.


Back in the days when we had plenty of skilled workers
That all changed when they did away with apprenticeships
So now we need skilled workers from the EU
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John52 - 2020-08-01 8:01 PM

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1 But you are being remarkably reluctant to acknowledge which bits of the Liberal stereotype fit the bill Brian - and you do seem to have been a lifelong Liberal supporter in general elections, which means that some of it, at least, must be valid.
.......................….
2 Do you support their cultural freedom to do that sort of thing Brian, as long as they only kill their own relatives and slave labour in the process?


Interesting article here that throws some light on the background: https://tinyurl.com/y6t4b6ny From her name, it seems the author probably knows of what she speaks.

Very good read that Brian. I'd forgot about our own migrants, particularly brickies to Germany, yet how could i when a highly successful comedy series came off the back of it....Auf Wiedersehen Pet! I even met one in Berlin. A guy from Cornwall who had originally gone to Spain after building work dried up in UK. The same of course eventually happened in Spain but one of his builder mates was returning back to Germany where there was still plenty of building work, so he left with him......not speaking a word of German or knowing anything about the country. When i met him he'd lived in Germany 20 years, spoke fluent German, married a German lass and had family. He had no regrets about leaving UK and never been back to UK since he left.


Back in the days when we had plenty of skilled workers
That all changed when they did away with apprenticeships
So now we need skilled workers from the EU


Or alternatively ........

Those folk with useless degrees could retrain to do a useful job ........

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.


It's our track & trace system that has identified where the hot spots are ..........

BTW multi generational Muslim families don't live in one house because they're poor ........

They do it because its their culture, which means its their culture that is helping spread the Chinky Flu and causing more of them to die .......

Not white privilige .........



Is that a fact or something you just decided? You might be right but its also correct that Muslims are the poorest ethnic group in the UK I believe. I think 50% are classed as being in poverty.



Or is it that 50% claim benefits? .........

I proved how easy it was to qualify for benefits years ago.........Just ask Bullet or Pop Up Pepe ........

PS ......I forgot to add......one of the Southend Mansions I worked in was owned by someone called Patel .........

There were a lot of folk in the house.....although they tended to hide from me? ......





Interesting. Why would someone who likes to bang on how he went semi retired in his 40s need to claim benefits. Did you go semi retired or did the work just go tits up?

Not sure its a good idea for someone to brag on a public forum about how easy it was to claim benefits who clearly was so wealthy he could go semi retired. Unless of course you weren't.

I dont know much about Benefits as Ive never claimed anything since I left school but its my understanding that its actually fecking hard to get anything and you have to pretty much be broke and have hardly any savings to be entitled.

Its a fact that Muslims are the most poverty stricken ethnic group in this country. Dont get me wrong There is clearly a problem with some of them not following the rules but its clearly much more complex than that.



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By chance I had a conversation (initially about a car for sale) with a man from Leicester so we got talking about the practicalities of viewing the car, to avoid transferring COVID-19. He explained that the infections in Leicester are almost entirely in asian community areas, where transmission has arisen because of behavioural failures - and of course the open secret of the Rag Trade factories, which continued working normally (for them) throughout Lockdown. Same as Blackburn then, an asian community doing its own thing, regardless of UK law, which they have become accustomed to being allowed to ignore.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.


It's our track & trace system that has identified where the hot spots are ..........

BTW multi generational Muslim families don't live in one house because they're poor ........

They do it because its their culture, which means its their culture that is helping spread the Chinky Flu and causing more of them to die .......

Not white privilige .........



Is that a fact or something you just decided? You might be right but its also correct that Muslims are the poorest ethnic group in the UK I believe. I think 50% are classed as being in poverty.



Or is it that 50% claim benefits? .........

I proved how easy it was to qualify for benefits years ago.........Just ask Bullet or Pop Up Pepe ........

PS ......I forgot to add......one of the Southend Mansions I worked in was owned by someone called Patel .........

There were a lot of folk in the house.....although they tended to hide from me? ......





Interesting. Why would someone who likes to bang on how he went semi retired in his 40s need to claim benefits. Did you go semi retired or did the work just go tits up?

Not sure its a good idea for someone to brag on a public forum about how easy it was to claim benefits who clearly was so wealthy he could go semi retired. Unless of course you weren't.

I dont know much about Benefits as Ive never claimed anything since I left school but its my understanding that its actually fecking hard to get anything and you have to pretty much be broke and have hardly any savings to be entitled.

Its a fact that Muslims are the most poverty stricken ethnic group in this country. Dont get me wrong There is clearly a problem with some of them not following the rules but its clearly much more complex than that.



Best read the thread ...........

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Is-the-benefit-system-to-generous-/20021/

Then you will know what your bumping your gums about........for a change .........

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.


It's our track & trace system that has identified where the hot spots are ..........

BTW multi generational Muslim families don't live in one house because they're poor ........

They do it because its their culture, which means its their culture that is helping spread the Chinky Flu and causing more of them to die .......

Not white privilige .........



Is that a fact or something you just decided? You might be right but its also correct that Muslims are the poorest ethnic group in the UK I believe. I think 50% are classed as being in poverty.



Or is it that 50% claim benefits? .........

I proved how easy it was to qualify for benefits years ago.........Just ask Bullet or Pop Up Pepe ........

PS ......I forgot to add......one of the Southend Mansions I worked in was owned by someone called Patel .........

There were a lot of folk in the house.....although they tended to hide from me? ......





Interesting. Why would someone who likes to bang on how he went semi retired in his 40s need to claim benefits. Did you go semi retired or did the work just go tits up?

Not sure its a good idea for someone to brag on a public forum about how easy it was to claim benefits who clearly was so wealthy he could go semi retired. Unless of course you weren't.

I dont know much about Benefits as Ive never claimed anything since I left school but its my understanding that its actually fecking hard to get anything and you have to pretty much be broke and have hardly any savings to be entitled.

Its a fact that Muslims are the most poverty stricken ethnic group in this country. Dont get me wrong There is clearly a problem with some of them not following the rules but its clearly much more complex than that.



Best read the thread ...........

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Is-the-benefit-system-to-generous-/20021/

Then you will know what your bumping your gums about........for a change .........



So by your own admission on that thread you say you went semi retired at 46 as it was a lifestyle choice and that you are lazy so presumably you had plenty of money and could just pick and chose yet six years later you decide to go on benefits.

I have no idea how you managed to do that as I assumed (maybe wrongly because I would never dream of doing such a thing) you couldnt claim benefits if you had money (savings) but even if you could, it beggars belief why you would openly admit to what looks like benefit fraud on a public forum.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.


It's our track & trace system that has identified where the hot spots are ..........

BTW multi generational Muslim families don't live in one house because they're poor ........

They do it because its their culture, which means its their culture that is helping spread the Chinky Flu and causing more of them to die .......

Not white privilige .........



Is that a fact or something you just decided? You might be right but its also correct that Muslims are the poorest ethnic group in the UK I believe. I think 50% are classed as being in poverty.



Or is it that 50% claim benefits? .........

I proved how easy it was to qualify for benefits years ago.........Just ask Bullet or Pop Up Pepe ........

PS ......I forgot to add......one of the Southend Mansions I worked in was owned by someone called Patel .........

There were a lot of folk in the house.....although they tended to hide from me? ......





Interesting. Why would someone who likes to bang on how he went semi retired in his 40s need to claim benefits. Did you go semi retired or did the work just go tits up?

Not sure its a good idea for someone to brag on a public forum about how easy it was to claim benefits who clearly was so wealthy he could go semi retired. Unless of course you weren't.

I dont know much about Benefits as Ive never claimed anything since I left school but its my understanding that its actually fecking hard to get anything and you have to pretty much be broke and have hardly any savings to be entitled.

Its a fact that Muslims are the most poverty stricken ethnic group in this country. Dont get me wrong There is clearly a problem with some of them not following the rules but its clearly much more complex than that.



Best read the thread ...........

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Is-the-benefit-system-to-generous-/20021/

Then you will know what your bumping your gums about........for a change .........



So by your own admission on that thread you say you went semi retired at 46 as it was a lifestyle choice and that you are lazy so presumably you had plenty of money and could just pick and chose yet six years later you decide to go on benefits.

I have no idea how you managed to do that as I assumed (maybe wrongly because I would never dream of doing such a thing) you couldnt claim benefits if you had money (savings) but even if you could, it beggars belief why you would openly admit to what looks like benefit fraud on a public forum.


As the thread title indicated and as I discovered I QUALIFIED for tax credits .........

No one was more surprised than me ...........

So no fraud took place, and aluding that I did is libelous ........

Perhaps I should hire one of those No win No fee lawyers to sue your a*se? ...........

BTW you don't need plenty of money to semi retire or retire......you just need enough .........



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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581949/Tory-MP-sparks-racism-row-claiming-vast-majority-lockdown-breakers-BAME.html

So it's racist to point out that those BAME folk who are at greater risk of dying from COVID19, are also the ones who are not following the rules? .........

No doubt our resident thick as mince LLLLB will be along soon to blame white privilige


He cites one of the reasons as too many of them living in the same house. No Sh1t Sherlock! What do you expect them to do then?

There is no doubt though that there is an issue with some. I think its the same with a lot of groups of people who are perhaps more devoted to their religion and community way of life than perhaps the rest of the population. Its not just Muslims though. Jewish communities have behaved similarly or at least did so at the start of the Pandemic. dunno about Christians but I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury had to issue a warning to vicars to abide by the rules.

The Satanists have probably been alright as its mainly sacrificing goats outside and stuff. Maybe the odd virgin..


Still unable to accept the facts eh Barry ..........

The COVID19 hot spots are mostly in Muslim area's ........Not Jewish, Christian or Satanist area's ........

Even Muslim leaders accept what you are unable to with your Thick as Mince LLLLB blinkers on .......



Well lets have the facts because we dont have them all. Maybe Jewish people dont live in houses with large numbers but they certainly broke the rules. As has been said its perhaps a combination of rule breaking, large numbers in the same house, jobs, poverty and possibly weakened immune systems. We dont have the facts though.

Perhaps if we had a track and trace system as good as say Germany's we would have more chance of getting to the bottom of it.


It's our track & trace system that has identified where the hot spots are ..........

BTW multi generational Muslim families don't live in one house because they're poor ........

They do it because its their culture, which means its their culture that is helping spread the Chinky Flu and causing more of them to die .......

Not white privilige .........



Is that a fact or something you just decided? You might be right but its also correct that Muslims are the poorest ethnic group in the UK I believe. I think 50% are classed as being in poverty.



Or is it that 50% claim benefits? .........

I proved how easy it was to qualify for benefits years ago.........Just ask Bullet or Pop Up Pepe ........

PS ......I forgot to add......one of the Southend Mansions I worked in was owned by someone called Patel .........

There were a lot of folk in the house.....although they tended to hide from me? ......





Interesting. Why would someone who likes to bang on how he went semi retired in his 40s need to claim benefits. Did you go semi retired or did the work just go tits up?

Not sure its a good idea for someone to brag on a public forum about how easy it was to claim benefits who clearly was so wealthy he could go semi retired. Unless of course you weren't.

I dont know much about Benefits as Ive never claimed anything since I left school but its my understanding that its actually fecking hard to get anything and you have to pretty much be broke and have hardly any savings to be entitled.

Its a fact that Muslims are the most poverty stricken ethnic group in this country. Dont get me wrong There is clearly a problem with some of them not following the rules but its clearly much more complex than that.



Best read the thread ...........

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Is-the-benefit-system-to-generous-/20021/

Then you will know what your bumping your gums about........for a change .........



So by your own admission on that thread you say you went semi retired at 46 as it was a lifestyle choice and that you are lazy so presumably you had plenty of money and could just pick and chose yet six years later you decide to go on benefits.

I have no idea how you managed to do that as I assumed (maybe wrongly because I would never dream of doing such a thing) you couldnt claim benefits if you had money (savings) but even if you could, it beggars belief why you would openly admit to what looks like benefit fraud on a public forum.


As the thread title indicated and as I discovered I QUALIFIED for tax credits .........

No one was more surprised than me ...........

So no fraud took place, and aluding that I did is libelous ........

Perhaps I should hire one of those No win No fee lawyers to sue your a*se? ...........

BTW you don't need plenty of money to semi retire or retire......you just need enough .........



I never read all three pages, just the first few but you did say ".It pays the wine bill ". So from that I assumed you did claim them. Feel free to take me to court if you like but I did say that it "looks like" it could be benefit fraud to me giving you the chance to explain. If anything I was offering you advice against publicising it on a public forum. So did you or didnt you?

Edited by Barryd999 2020-08-02 11:47 AM
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