John52 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 As usual, the Tories top the list (Thats fact not opinion); Six top beneficiaries (salaries and hospitality from casinos and bookmakers) Philip Davies (Con): £58,675 (£8,695 hospitality, £49,980 wages) Laurence Robertson (Con): £33,306.60 (£9,306.60 hospitality, £24,000 wages) Scott Benton (Con): £7,495 (hospitality) Nigel Adams (Con): £7,417.14 (hospitality) Aaron Bell (Con): £6,955.60 (hospitality) Esther McVey (Con): £6,094.60 (hospitality) This time its for promoting Gambling Companies registered in Her Majesty's Tax Havens, responsible for about 550 suicides a year https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/16/mps-online-gambling-companies-health-at-risk-problem-gamblers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 I have enough money and don't want to lose it so gambling is not for me - especially when the odds are against me as below. I have only ever made one bet at a bookies (£5 on a horse) one lottery ticket (£1), and as far as I can remember one coin in a slot machine. All on the basis of try everything once to see what its like. I lost all 3. But I wonder if I would still have kept away if I had won. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Why in this enlightened age does any one expect any MP to be honest ? they all say one thing and do the opposite, I had a visit from the LIB Dems yesterday asking for my support, loved the opportunity to stuff it to them , The MOST undemocratic bunch of the lot, tried to stop BREXIT in their Manifesto against the vote of the majority, Remember Mister Sorry CLEGG what a turncoat could not wait to jump into bed with the Tories and voted for Student Fees again against his Manifesto pledges pledges Ha Ha Ha ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 vindiboy - 2022-02-01 12:19 PM Why in this enlightened age does any one expect any MP to be honest ? they all say one thing and do the opposite, I had a visit from the LIB Dems yesterday asking for my support, loved the opportunity to stuff it to them , The MOST undemocratic bunch of the lot, tried to stop BREXIT in their Manifesto against the vote of the majority, Remember Mister Sorry CLEGG what a turncoat could not wait to jump into bed with the Tories and voted for Student Fees again against his Manifesto pledges pledges Ha Ha Ha ? Thats not completely true. The LibDems said they would revoke Brexit if they won a majority. In effect a second referendum. A mistake perhaps because many like you saw that as undemocratic. Arguably though it would not have been undemocratic if a majority voted for it as their intentions were clear. It was never going to happen in a month of Sundays though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 That sounds like typical Politician speak , the end result would have been EXACTLY the same but wrapped up in SPIN AKA Bulls**t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 vindiboy - 2022-02-01 12:19 PM Why in this enlightened age does any one expect any MP to be honest ? they all say one thing and do the opposite, I had a visit from the LIB Dems yesterday asking for my support, loved the opportunity to stuff it to them , The MOST undemocratic bunch of the lot, tried to stop BREXIT in their Manifesto against the vote of the majority, Remember Mister Sorry CLEGG what a turncoat could not wait to jump into bed with the Tories and voted for Student Fees again against his Manifesto pledges pledges Ha Ha Ha ? So given your absolute disdain for "all" politicians, what do you do come elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 vindiboy - 2022-02-01 12:19 PM Remember Mister Sorry CLEGG what a turncoat could not wait to jump into bed with the Tories and voted for Student Fees again against his Manifesto pledges pledges Ha Ha Ha ? Manifesto pledges could only be kept if they had won the election But the Lib-Dems were the smaller part of a Coalition - Both sides had to give ground. Why do people blame Clegg for Student fees when it was the Tories who forced it through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 vindiboy - 2022-02-01 12:19 PM tried to stop BREXIT in their Manifesto against the vote of the majority Brexit referendum was only advisory because nobody knew the deal on offer - If it had been a proper binding vote it would have been annulled because they broke electoral law. Farage had said that if the referendum was 52% against Brexit he would not leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 vindiboy - 2022-02-01 12:19 PM Why in this enlightened age does any one expect any MP to be honest ? they all say one thing and do the opposite, I had a visit from the LIB Dems yesterday asking for my support, loved the opportunity to stuff it to them , The MOST undemocratic bunch of the lot, tried to stop BREXIT in their Manifesto against the vote of the majority, Remember Mister Sorry CLEGG what a turncoat could not wait to jump into bed with the Tories and voted for Student Fees again against his Manifesto pledges pledges Ha Ha Ha ? While I agree that the present bunch seem to be worse at weasel words that almost any I can remember, that mainly seems to be due to their endlessly being dragged onto radio/TV to defend their accident-prone leader. What else can they do? They elected him as leader, so they can hardly disown him in public! We may soon see who has the courage of their convictions - but I'm not holding my breath. :-) But, why was it undemocratic for a party to enter an election on a manifesto pledge to seek to reverse Brexit? That was a clear enough intention, was it not? You, along with everyone else, were free to vote for whoever you preferred. They nailed their colours to the mast, and were rejected by the electorate. How could that possibly be undemocratic? If a country votes for something, and then changes its mind, what should happen? How long should a democratic decision stand? How long should a rejected path be followed before it is re-visited? Even after five and a half years, no-one has yet explained the advantages of Brexit for the average voter. We still have no definition of Brexit, so no-one knows what is meant when someone else speaks of Brexit. We are still in the world of Theresa May's meaningless "Brexit means Brexit". Absolutely ridiculous! The coalition was a huge mistake for the LDs, and I think they have probably learned that! They should have entered into no more than a confidence and supply agreement, but preferably no agreement, and let the Tories worry over what they might support, issue by issue. They instead chose to enter coalition. Don't forget that part of the reason the LDs paired with the Tories, was that labour wouldn't pair with them. So, faced with that choice, they chose coalition, and electorally paid a very high price. Perhaps all those TV leaders "I agree with Nick" interviews persuaded them that the tail could wag the dog. Their failing, was to misunderstand the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 CurtainRaiser - 2022-02-01 3:53 PM vindiboy - 2022-02-01 12:19 PM Why in this enlightened age does any one expect any MP to be honest ? they all say one thing and do the opposite, I had a visit from the LIB Dems yesterday asking for my support, loved the opportunity to stuff it to them , The MOST undemocratic bunch of the lot, tried to stop BREXIT in their Manifesto against the vote of the majority, Remember Mister Sorry CLEGG what a turncoat could not wait to jump into bed with the Tories and voted for Student Fees again against his Manifesto pledges pledges Ha Ha Ha ? So given your absolute disdain for "all" politicians, what do you do come elections? Why vote for BORIS of Course ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 vindiboy - 2022-02-02 5:15 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-02-01 3:53 PM vindiboy - 2022-02-01 12:19 PM Why in this enlightened age does any one expect any MP to be honest ? they all say one thing and do the opposite, I had a visit from the LIB Dems yesterday asking for my support, loved the opportunity to stuff it to them , The MOST undemocratic bunch of the lot, tried to stop BREXIT in their Manifesto against the vote of the majority, Remember Mister Sorry CLEGG what a turncoat could not wait to jump into bed with the Tories and voted for Student Fees again against his Manifesto pledges pledges Ha Ha Ha ? So given your absolute disdain for "all" politicians, what do you do come elections? Why vote for BORIS of Course ? He won't even be on the ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Brian Kirby - 2022-02-01 6:31 PM The coalition was a huge mistake for the LDs, ..... With hindsight yes because we lost the vote on PR They had to give a lot of ground to the Tories to get them to agree to a vote on PR. But if the vote on PR had gone the other way it could all have been worthwhile :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 John52 - 2022-01-18 9:53 AM I have enough money and don't want to lose it so gambling is not for me - especially when the odds are against me as below. I have only ever made one bet at a bookies (£5 on a horse) one lottery ticket (£1), and as far as I can remember one coin in a slot machine. All on the basis of try everything once to see what its like. I lost all 3. But I wonder if I would still have kept away if I had won. :-S You do know shares can go down as well as up? 8-) ........... At least if my house crashes in value I still have a nice place to live B-) ........ What will you have if there's another finnacial crash? ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-02-03 9:00 AM John52 - 2022-01-18 9:53 AM I have enough money and don't want to lose it so gambling is not for me - especially when the odds are against me as below. I have only ever made one bet at a bookies (£5 on a horse) one lottery ticket (£1), and as far as I can remember one coin in a slot machine. All on the basis of try everything once to see what its like. I lost all 3. But I wonder if I would still have kept away if I had won. :-S You do know shares can go down as well as up? 8-) ........... At least if my house crashes in value I still have a nice place to live B-) ........ What will you have if there's another finnacial crash? ;-) .......... Premium Bonds £50 win last month £75 this month tax free and still have my original stake . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 4, 2022 Author Share Posted February 4, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-02-03 9:00 AM At least if my house crashes in value I still have a nice place to live B-) ........ Same here - I wouldn't sell my house and put the money in shares. pelmetman - 2022-02-03 9:00 AM What will you have if there's another finnacial crash? ;-) .......... When the next financial crash comes (and its when not if) my shares will be worth less. But I have no way of knowing when that will happen. In the meantime my savings are spread amongst thousands of the world's biggest companies. All of which are looking more solvent than Johnson's Government. https://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/ 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 4, 2022 Author Share Posted February 4, 2022 vindiboy - 2022-02-04 8:19 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-03 9:00 AM John52 - 2022-01-18 9:53 AM I have enough money and don't want to lose it so gambling is not for me - especially when the odds are against me as below. I have only ever made one bet at a bookies (£5 on a horse) one lottery ticket (£1), and as far as I can remember one coin in a slot machine. All on the basis of try everything once to see what its like. I lost all 3. But I wonder if I would still have kept away if I had won. :-S You do know shares can go down as well as up? 8-) ........... At least if my house crashes in value I still have a nice place to live B-) ........ What will you have if there's another finnacial crash? ;-) .......... Premium Bonds £50 win last month £75 this month tax free and still have my original stake . I have a few premium bonds too - prize fund currently represents an interest rate of 1% IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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