Bulletguy Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 In the wake of Honda, both BMW and Toyota have now announced Brexit and possible 'no deal' outcome may lead to them ceasing UK production putting a total of 11,200 jobs at risk. BMW board member Peter Schwarzenbauer, who is responsible for the Mini and Rolls-Royce brands, told Sky News that the future of the Mini brand in the UK was under threat in the absence of a Brexit deal. Their Cowley plant employs 4,500 people and made 234,501 Minis last year, 80% of which were exported. More than 60% of its parts are sourced from Europe, almost all of which come from Calais through the ports of Dover and Folkestone. Toyota has two major manufacturing plants in the UK, with about 2,600 workers at its Burnaston plant in Derbyshire making the Corolla and 600 employees making engines at Deeside. “We are still hopeful that we will have a realistic outcome that will give us frictionless trade and that will give us no tariffs and barriers between Europe and the UK.” Toyota invested £240m in its UK operations last year to start production of its new Corolla model at Burnaston, but the imposition of tariffs on exports from the UK to Europe would threaten the British operations. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/05/bmw-mini-cowley-no-deal-brexit-toyota https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47457219 https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-may-shift-mini-and-engine-work-from-uk-in-no-deal-brexit-11655739 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Brexiteers will claim it's all Project Fear and "nothing to do with Brexit". *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Who can blame them ??? Not me ... Blame those who aren't delivering a Brexit and a Labour Party thats now done a full turn and gone against its manifesto pledge ... Are they still guna be in power before Brexit by the way Barry ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-03-05 7:24 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Who can blame them ??? Not me ... Blame those who aren't delivering a Brexit and a Labour Party thats now done a full turn and gone against its manifesto pledge ... Are they still guna be in power before Brexit by the way Barry ??? So what brexit would you like delivered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-03-05 7:24 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Who can blame them ??? Not me ... Blame those who aren't delivering a Brexit and a Labour Party thats now done a full turn and gone against its manifesto pledge ... Are they still guna be in power before Brexit by the way Barry ??? Do you think there is more chance of these companies remaining if we carry out the no deal Brexit you seem keen on Anthony? I think not. Face it, even the economists for Brexit said Automotive and manufacturing were acceptable losses for Brexit and we could all become marketeers or designers instead. I think its pretty clear that they were actually right for once and we will lose all of that. That manifesto pledge was two years ago and was the pledge for the 2017 election. Things have changed. The Tories have spent all their time scrapping amongst themselves, there is deadlock and we are facing either the worst vassal state deal in history or no deal, they had to do something. Its too little too late as far as I am concerned though. As for if they could still end up in government before Brexit well who knows. When is Brexit? 29th March? Which March? 2020? 21? Ive given up guessing whats going to happen or could happen as its proper Alice in Wonderland now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-05 6:57 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Brexiteers will claim it's all Project Fear and "nothing to do with Brexit". *-) Correct ;-) ............ I suppose the FACT that there's a global downturn in car sales is irrelevant *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 10:26 PM antony1969 - 2019-03-05 7:24 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Who can blame them ??? Not me ... Blame those who aren't delivering a Brexit and a Labour Party thats now done a full turn and gone against its manifesto pledge ... Are they still guna be in power before Brexit by the way Barry ??? Do you think there is more chance of these companies remaining if we carry out the no deal Brexit you seem keen on Anthony? I think not. Face it, even the economists for Brexit said Automotive and manufacturing were acceptable losses for Brexit and we could all become marketeers or designers instead. I think its pretty clear that they were actually right for once and we will lose all of that. That manifesto pledge was two years ago and was the pledge for the 2017 election. Things have changed. The Tories have spent all their time scrapping amongst themselves, there is deadlock and we are facing either the worst vassal state deal in history or no deal, they had to do something. Its too little too late as far as I am concerned though. As for if they could still end up in government before Brexit well who knows. When is Brexit? 29th March? Which March? 2020? 21? Ive given up guessing whats going to happen or could happen as its proper Alice in Wonderland now. You've never guessed anything ... You tell us what's what only changing your tune to suit when your wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-03-06 8:00 AM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 10:26 PM antony1969 - 2019-03-05 7:24 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Who can blame them ??? Not me ... Blame those who aren't delivering a Brexit and a Labour Party thats now done a full turn and gone against its manifesto pledge ... Are they still guna be in power before Brexit by the way Barry ??? Do you think there is more chance of these companies remaining if we carry out the no deal Brexit you seem keen on Anthony? I think not. Face it, even the economists for Brexit said Automotive and manufacturing were acceptable losses for Brexit and we could all become marketeers or designers instead. I think its pretty clear that they were actually right for once and we will lose all of that. That manifesto pledge was two years ago and was the pledge for the 2017 election. Things have changed. The Tories have spent all their time scrapping amongst themselves, there is deadlock and we are facing either the worst vassal state deal in history or no deal, they had to do something. Its too little too late as far as I am concerned though. As for if they could still end up in government before Brexit well who knows. When is Brexit? 29th March? Which March? 2020? 21? Ive given up guessing whats going to happen or could happen as its proper Alice in Wonderland now. You've never guessed anything ... You tell us what's what only changing your tune to suit when your wrong Well ive consistently said that Brexit will be a disaster for the past three years and it is. I also said that any deal we would get would be rubbish and in the EU's favour and it is, it would cost jobs and the end of manufacturing / automotive etc and thats already happening. Immigration would not go down and we would just see EU workers leave and none EU workers increase and thats exactly what is happening. The only thing thats yet to come true is a Corbyn Government but as I said, anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-06 7:55 AM Bulletguy - 2019-03-05 6:57 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Brexiteers will claim it's all Project Fear and "nothing to do with Brexit". *-) Correct ;-) ............ I suppose the FACT that there's a global downturn in car sales is irrelevant *-) ........ Hmm. How many European car factories are ceasing production or considering moving to the uk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-03-06 9:53 AM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 7:55 AM Bulletguy - 2019-03-05 6:57 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Brexiteers will claim it's all Project Fear and "nothing to do with Brexit". *-) Correct ;-) ............ I suppose the FACT that there's a global downturn in car sales is irrelevant *-) ........ Hmm. How many European car factories are ceasing production or considering moving to the uk? None......because they're moving too low wage economies in Eastern Europe *-) ............. If you think our economy will suffer because of the GLOBAL turn down in car sales :-| .......... Imagine what's going to happen to Germany's and the EU's 8-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-03-06 9:52 AM Well ive consistently said that Brexit will be a disaster for the past three years and it is. . Well.....if you think the best employment since the 70's.... the best wage growth for 10 years.... the best UK debt reduction since the crash......plus our economy has out performed most of the EU ...........is a disaster 8-) .......... Best not vote for Corbyn ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-06 10:01 AM Barryd999 - 2019-03-06 9:53 AM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 7:55 AM Bulletguy - 2019-03-05 6:57 PM Barryd999 - 2019-03-05 6:38 PM And there are more rumblings from Vauxhall today as well. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-05/vauxhall-no-further-ellesmere-port-investment-until-brexit-outcome-decided/ Brexiteers will claim it's all Project Fear and "nothing to do with Brexit". *-) Correct ;-) ............ I suppose the FACT that there's a global downturn in car sales is irrelevant *-) ........ Hmm. How many European car factories are ceasing production or considering moving to the uk? None...... Wow.....first time you've actually admitted it. ...because they're moving too low wage economies in Eastern Europe *-) ............. Ford will move its production to Germany as no doubt eventually BMW will, hardly a "low wage economy" country, but despite that fact, companies setting up in any low wage economy will be a major boost to that country who will prosper. If you think our economy will suffer because of the GLOBAL turn down in car sales :-| .......... In 2016 the industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy.......so tell me how you believe losing just part of that, our economy will not suffer and exactly how you intend to make up the shortfall loss? Imagine what's going to happen to Germany's and the EU's 8-) .......... Nothing. They will continue production of quality engineered vehicles just as they always have, enabled by frictionless movement of parts and fta's, which UK will lose. Brexit Brits may want to return to days of pony and trap but the rest of the world has moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 2:10 PM Nothing. They will continue production of quality engineered vehicles just as they always have, enabled by frictionless movement of parts and fta's, which UK will lose. Brexit Brits may want to return to days of pony and trap but the rest of the world has moved on. Are you sure? ;-) ............ "At a factory meeting last Monday in Saarlouis in the German state of Saarland, the local Ford management announced that production of the company’s C-Max model is to be discontinued. A quarter of the 6,300 jobs at Ford-Saarlouis, or about 1,600, are to go with the reduction of shifts from three to two. It is still uncertain how many jobs would be lost, a company spokeswoman said, implying that the total could be even higher." https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/14/ford-d14.html It's from a Socialist website.......So it must be true >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-06 2:25 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 2:10 PM Nothing. They will continue production of quality engineered vehicles just as they always have, enabled by frictionless movement of parts and fta's, which UK will lose. Brexit Brits may want to return to days of pony and trap but the rest of the world has moved on. Are you sure? ;-) ............ Yes. https://www.foraymotorgroup.co.uk/news/article/ford-increase-fiesta-production-at-cologne-plant Your Germanophobia obsession and desperation for Germany to collapse is farcical to the point of utter insanity. You seem to think they only have one car plant. *-) You really ought channel your "enthusiasm" into figuring how you intend make up UK's vast shortfall from the damage Brexit has done to the automotive industry here rather than concerning yourself over the future of Germany, but i noticed you were unable to address that point i put to you in the previous post and deflected away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 5:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 2:25 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 2:10 PM Nothing. They will continue production of quality engineered vehicles just as they always have, enabled by frictionless movement of parts and fta's, which UK will lose. Brexit Brits may want to return to days of pony and trap but the rest of the world has moved on. Are you sure? ;-) ............ Yes. https://www.foraymotorgroup.co.uk/news/article/ford-increase-fiesta-production-at-cologne-plant Your Germanophobia obsession and desperation for Germany to collapse is farcical to the point of utter insanity. You seem to think they only have one car plant. *-) You really ought channel your "enthusiasm" into figuring how you intend make up UK's vast shortfall from the damage Brexit has done to the automotive industry here rather than concerning yourself over the future of Germany, but i noticed you were unable to address that point i put to you in the previous post and deflected away from it. A link to 2013? 8-) .......... Really? >:-) ......... What a desperate old fool you have become Bullet (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:16 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 5:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 2:25 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 2:10 PM Nothing. They will continue production of quality engineered vehicles just as they always have, enabled by frictionless movement of parts and fta's, which UK will lose. Brexit Brits may want to return to days of pony and trap but the rest of the world has moved on. Are you sure? ;-) ............ Yes. https://www.foraymotorgroup.co.uk/news/article/ford-increase-fiesta-production-at-cologne-plant Your Germanophobia obsession and desperation for Germany to collapse is farcical to the point of utter insanity. You seem to think they only have one car plant. *-) You really ought channel your "enthusiasm" into figuring how you intend make up UK's vast shortfall from the damage Brexit has done to the automotive industry here rather than concerning yourself over the future of Germany, but i noticed you were unable to address that point i put to you in the previous post and deflected away from it. A link to 2013? 8-) .......... Really? >:-) ......... What a desperate old fool you have become Bullet (lol) ......... Idiot.....read the whole link https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2019/01/10/ford-to-strengthen-european-competitive-position-and-profitabili.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 Still waiting for an answer from you on this; In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy.......so tell me how you believe losing just part of that, our economy will not suffer and exactly how you intend to make up the shortfall loss? Well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:29 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:16 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 5:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 2:25 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 2:10 PM Nothing. They will continue production of quality engineered vehicles just as they always have, enabled by frictionless movement of parts and fta's, which UK will lose. Brexit Brits may want to return to days of pony and trap but the rest of the world has moved on. Are you sure? ;-) ............ Yes. https://www.foraymotorgroup.co.uk/news/article/ford-increase-fiesta-production-at-cologne-plant Your Germanophobia obsession and desperation for Germany to collapse is farcical to the point of utter insanity. You seem to think they only have one car plant. *-) You really ought channel your "enthusiasm" into figuring how you intend make up UK's vast shortfall from the damage Brexit has done to the automotive industry here rather than concerning yourself over the future of Germany, but i noticed you were unable to address that point i put to you in the previous post and deflected away from it. A link to 2013? 8-) .......... Really? >:-) ......... What a desperate old fool you have become Bullet (lol) ......... Idiot.....read the whole link https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2019/01/10/ford-to-strengthen-european-competitive-position-and-profitabili.html Why should I read a link that's 6 years out of date Dumb Dumb? :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:35 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:29 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:16 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 5:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 2:25 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 2:10 PM Nothing. They will continue production of quality engineered vehicles just as they always have, enabled by frictionless movement of parts and fta's, which UK will lose. Brexit Brits may want to return to days of pony and trap but the rest of the world has moved on. Are you sure? ;-) ............ Yes. https://www.foraymotorgroup.co.uk/news/article/ford-increase-fiesta-production-at-cologne-plant Your Germanophobia obsession and desperation for Germany to collapse is farcical to the point of utter insanity. You seem to think they only have one car plant. *-) You really ought channel your "enthusiasm" into figuring how you intend make up UK's vast shortfall from the damage Brexit has done to the automotive industry here rather than concerning yourself over the future of Germany, but i noticed you were unable to address that point i put to you in the previous post and deflected away from it. A link to 2013? 8-) .......... Really? >:-) ......... What a desperate old fool you have become Bullet (lol) ......... Idiot.....read the whole link https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2019/01/10/ford-to-strengthen-european-competitive-position-and-profitabili.html Why should I read a link that's 6 years out of date Dumb Dumb? :D ....... Go to Specsavers. 10-JAN-2019 | COLOGNE, GERMANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:32 PM Still waiting for an answer from you on this; In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy. Each employee generating £130k for the UK economy????......... Who did those maths FFS !......Mzzz Abbott? (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... Now you're really being a stupid old fool Dumb Dumb >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:32 PM Still waiting for an answer from you on this; In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy.......so tell me how you believe losing just part of that, our economy will not suffer and exactly how you intend to make up the shortfall loss? Well? Still waiting.........strange how quiet you've gone on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:29 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:16 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 5:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 2:25 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 2:10 PM Nothing. They will continue production of quality engineered vehicles just as they always have, enabled by frictionless movement of parts and fta's, which UK will lose. Brexit Brits may want to return to days of pony and trap but the rest of the world has moved on. Are you sure? ;-) ............ Yes. https://www.foraymotorgroup.co.uk/news/article/ford-increase-fiesta-production-at-cologne-plant Your Germanophobia obsession and desperation for Germany to collapse is farcical to the point of utter insanity. You seem to think they only have one car plant. *-) You really ought channel your "enthusiasm" into figuring how you intend make up UK's vast shortfall from the damage Brexit has done to the automotive industry here rather than concerning yourself over the future of Germany, but i noticed you were unable to address that point i put to you in the previous post and deflected away from it. A link to 2013? 8-) .......... Really? >:-) ......... What a desperate old fool you have become Bullet (lol) ......... Idiot.....read the whole link https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2019/01/10/ford-to-strengthen-european-competitive-position-and-profitabili.html That's a different link Dumb Dumb ;-) ..........Have you had your med's changed? :-S ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:41 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:32 PM Still waiting for an answer from you on this; In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy. Each employee generating £130k for the UK economy????......... Who did those maths FFS !......Mzzz Abbott? (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... Now you're really being a stupid old fool Dumb Dumb >:-) ....... Stop deflecting. In 2016 the industry turnover was £77.5 billion.....tell me how you believe losing just part of that, our economy will not suffer and exactly how you intend to make up the shortfall loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:44 PM pelmetman - 2019-03-06 6:41 PM Bulletguy - 2019-03-06 6:32 PM Still waiting for an answer from you on this; In 2016 the automotive industry turnover was £77.5 billion with 814,000 employees each generating more than £130k to the UK economy. Each employee generating £130k for the UK economy????......... Who did those maths FFS !......Mzzz Abbott? (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... Now you're really being a stupid old fool Dumb Dumb >:-) ....... Stop deflecting. In 2016 the industry turnover was £77.5 billion.....tell me how you believe losing just part of that, our economy will not suffer and exactly how you intend to make up the shortfall loss? Look out ... Old Bullets getting all angry ... When his type style changes you know his piles are irritating him ... Maybe Farty Pants can apply some Anusol relief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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