Birdbrain Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 ... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-casualties/england-reports-far-fewer-covid-19-deaths-in-care-homes-than-european-states-idUSKBN22V1VI ... Oh dear oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 Its a difficult one for the hate squad to deal with ... Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Careful. Our figures are playing catch up with the rest of Europe. The report that is going to be important is the ONS analysis of non covid deaths in care homes since March. They are doing that work now. Apparently there has been big increases in dementia deaths or even certificates that just say frailty. These are more likely to be covid if there is an outbreak in a care home. Senior nurses were pronouncing death rather than the GP being called. Getting a more accurate assessment of what actually went on won't bring folk back but it's critical learning for the Autumn. Most countries in Europe (including Ireland) estimate that around 50% of deaths occurred in care homes. The 21% figure for England is IMO highly suspect and It isn’t difficult to understand how the figure arose, we didn’t test those who died in care homes until very recently. Other countries did. Whatever the true figures are its inexcusable to send potentially covid 19 carriers back to Care homes untested. That I am afraid is unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-19 6:59 PM Careful. Our figures are playing catch up with the rest of Europe. The report that is going to be important is the ONS analysis of non covid deaths in care homes since March. They are doing that work now. Apparently there has been big increases in dementia deaths or even certificates that just say frailty. These are more likely to be covid if there is an outbreak in a care home. Senior nurses were pronouncing death rather than the GP being called. Getting a more accurate assessment of what actually went on won't bring folk back but it's critical learning for the Autumn. Most countries in Europe (including Ireland) estimate that around 50% of deaths occurred in care homes. The 21% figure for England is IMO highly suspect and It isn’t difficult to understand how the figure arose, we didn’t test those who died in care homes until very recently. Other countries did. Whatever the true figures are its inexcusable to send potentially covid 19 carriers back to Care homes untested. That I am afraid is unforgivable. Long story short ... You dont like the EU findings because it doesnt fall into your Tory/Boris hate agenda ... Ye , we get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-19 7:04 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-19 6:59 PM Careful. Our figures are playing catch up with the rest of Europe. The report that is going to be important is the ONS analysis of non covid deaths in care homes since March. They are doing that work now. Apparently there has been big increases in dementia deaths or even certificates that just say frailty. These are more likely to be covid if there is an outbreak in a care home. Senior nurses were pronouncing death rather than the GP being called. Getting a more accurate assessment of what actually went on won't bring folk back but it's critical learning for the Autumn. Most countries in Europe (including Ireland) estimate that around 50% of deaths occurred in care homes. The 21% figure for England is IMO highly suspect and It isn’t difficult to understand how the figure arose, we didn’t test those who died in care homes until very recently. Other countries did. Whatever the true figures are its inexcusable to send potentially covid 19 carriers back to Care homes untested. That I am afraid is unforgivable. Long story short ... You dont like the EU findings because it doesnt fall into your Tory/Boris hate agenda ... Ye , we get it Its not really got much to do with the EU though has it. As we have seen the EU does not control everything its members do like you thought it did. Its member countries have pretty much taken their own paths against this virus from their own methods of lock down to how they counted their deaths. We really do not know the extent of the deaths in our own care homes at this stage. We do know however that we decided to send infected people into them. That is what is inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-19 6:58 PM Its a difficult one for the hate squad to deal with ... Obviously Difficult for you as it's obvious you never read beyond the headline. *-) Second para down; but stressed under-reporting of COVID-19 cases in care homes “has been a common feature” throughout the pandemic. UK also only recently began counting care home deaths. *-) Campaigners are calling on the UK government to be more transparent after authorities declined to disclose the number of COVID-19 deaths in individual care homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-19 10:48 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-19 7:04 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-19 6:59 PM Careful. Our figures are playing catch up with the rest of Europe. The report that is going to be important is the ONS analysis of non covid deaths in care homes since March. They are doing that work now. Apparently there has been big increases in dementia deaths or even certificates that just say frailty. These are more likely to be covid if there is an outbreak in a care home. Senior nurses were pronouncing death rather than the GP being called. Getting a more accurate assessment of what actually went on won't bring folk back but it's critical learning for the Autumn. Most countries in Europe (including Ireland) estimate that around 50% of deaths occurred in care homes. The 21% figure for England is IMO highly suspect and It isn’t difficult to understand how the figure arose, we didn’t test those who died in care homes until very recently. Other countries did. Whatever the true figures are its inexcusable to send potentially covid 19 carriers back to Care homes untested. That I am afraid is unforgivable. Long story short ... You dont like the EU findings because it doesnt fall into your Tory/Boris hate agenda ... Ye , we get it Its not really got much to do with the EU though has it. As we have seen the EU does not control everything its members do like you thought it did. Its member countries have pretty much taken their own paths against this virus from their own methods of lock down to how they counted their deaths. We really do not know the extent of the deaths in our own care homes at this stage. We do know however that we decided to send infected people into them. That is what is inexcusable. "its not really got much to do with the EU though has it" ??? ... Eh , its an EU report into EU countries which makes difficult reading for ya as it says we have faired better than others in the EU ... "We really do not know the extent of the deaths in our own care homes at this stage" , well said , unfortunately that hasn't stopped you spewing out guff not knowing has it ??? ... Take a long hard look at yaself Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-19 11:17 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-19 6:58 PM Its a difficult one for the hate squad to deal with ... Obviously Difficult for you as it's obvious you never read beyond the headline. *-) Second para down; but stressed under-reporting of COVID-19 cases in care homes “has been a common feature” throughout the pandemic. Still didn't stop YOU and your fellow HATERS from using unreliable figures to bash Boris with it did it? *-) ............. What a bunch of sad pathetic Losers you are >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-20 6:21 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-19 10:48 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-19 7:04 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-19 6:59 PM Careful. Our figures are playing catch up with the rest of Europe. The report that is going to be important is the ONS analysis of non covid deaths in care homes since March. They are doing that work now. Apparently there has been big increases in dementia deaths or even certificates that just say frailty. These are more likely to be covid if there is an outbreak in a care home. Senior nurses were pronouncing death rather than the GP being called. Getting a more accurate assessment of what actually went on won't bring folk back but it's critical learning for the Autumn. Most countries in Europe (including Ireland) estimate that around 50% of deaths occurred in care homes. The 21% figure for England is IMO highly suspect and It isn’t difficult to understand how the figure arose, we didn’t test those who died in care homes until very recently. Other countries did. Whatever the true figures are its inexcusable to send potentially covid 19 carriers back to Care homes untested. That I am afraid is unforgivable. Long story short ... You dont like the EU findings because it doesnt fall into your Tory/Boris hate agenda ... Ye , we get it Its not really got much to do with the EU though has it. As we have seen the EU does not control everything its members do like you thought it did. Its member countries have pretty much taken their own paths against this virus from their own methods of lock down to how they counted their deaths. We really do not know the extent of the deaths in our own care homes at this stage. We do know however that we decided to send infected people into them. That is what is inexcusable. "its not really got much to do with the EU though has it" ??? ... Eh , its an EU report into EU countries which makes difficult reading for ya as it says we have faired better than others in the EU ... "We really do not know the extent of the deaths in our own care homes at this stage" , well said , unfortunately that hasn't stopped you spewing out guff not knowing has it ??? ... Take a long hard look at yaself Barry Its a report by the EU on how countries have reported their figures. The point I was making is its just a report, nothing to do with the EU how different countries responded. We dont know the total number of deaths in care homes but its clearly way more than the official figure. The reason many have been furious about it is the cack handed way it was dealt with and the way in which people in care homes and care home staff were handed out a death sentence by sending in infected patients with little or no protection. That is what is unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-20 8:22 AM Bulletguy - 2020-05-19 11:17 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-19 6:58 PM Its a difficult one for the hate squad to deal with ... Obviously Difficult for you as it's obvious you never read beyond the headline. *-) Second para down; but stressed under-reporting of COVID-19 cases in care homes “has been a common feature” throughout the pandemic. Still didn't stop YOU and your fellow HATERS from using unreliable figures to bash Boris with it did it? *-) ............. What a bunch of sad pathetic Losers you are >:-) ........ Oh look.....Antonys little echo chamber pops up with the same old drivel of 'haters' and 'Boris bashing'. (lol) Like him you spot what you think is a catchy header that fits your anti-EU narrative, then post it without reading through and fully comprehending the article which makes no reference to Johnson! The 'losers' are you pair forever jumping up and down like over excitable little children wailing 'haters' in desperation because you're unable to put forward any logical points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-20 2:44 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-20 8:22 AM Bulletguy - 2020-05-19 11:17 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-19 6:58 PM Its a difficult one for the hate squad to deal with ... Obviously Difficult for you as it's obvious you never read beyond the headline. *-) Second para down; but stressed under-reporting of COVID-19 cases in care homes “has been a common feature” throughout the pandemic. Still didn't stop YOU and your fellow HATERS from using unreliable figures to bash Boris with it did it? *-) ............. What a bunch of sad pathetic Losers you are >:-) ........ Oh look.....Antonys little echo chamber pops up with the same old drivel of 'haters' and 'Boris bashing'. (lol) Like him you spot what you think is a catchy header that fits your anti-EU narrative, then post it without reading through and fully comprehending the article which makes no reference to Johnson! The 'losers' are you pair forever jumping up and down like over excitable little children wailing 'haters' in desperation because you're unable to put forward any logical points. Logical points??? 8-) ...... From a Lefty muppet? :D ....... Best check with Wadorf first if I were you Stadler (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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